Not at all. That is 100% not my point, and I don't quite understand where you got that from. My point is that "this otherwise completely unviable Pokemon counters the strategy/Poke in question, therefore the strategy/Poke in question is not overpowered" has never been considered a strong argument. There is literally not a single Poke or strategy in the game that can't be checked or countered in some way, but the existence of a counter has never prevented bans from happening. Running a whole team of Insomnia Pokes is a counter to Spore spamming, but it's not healthy for the metagame to have to do that, so we have the Sleep Clause.
Ah. Sorry. It took me a while to figure out you were trolling.
Now your just picking at straws.
A smogon mod locked a OU thread for golbat for not being viable. Just in case you didn't know.
No, you're absolutely right. Why should we use very superior abilities just so we can counter SwagPlay? I'm pretty sure the community would love having to run Own Tempo over Regenerator on Slowbro and Slowking, or Swift Swim or Rain Dish on Ludicolo, or Chlorophyll on Lilligant, or Sturdy on Avalugg, etc. We should definitely centralize the meta to counter SwagPlay.
Both of which became unbanned this generation. This proves that the reason they were issues relies on the constant sand/hail being up. Confusion by itself is no issue. This is the same deal as sand attack vs double team. Sand attack, you can switch out of. Confusion, you can switch out of. Double team (sand veil) was differently affecting the pokemon on the other side of the field that you had no control over. I think the issue does no revolve around banning confusion, but removing the prankster/confusion combo. This is because I can still find legitimate uses for confusion outside of trolling other players.
Spikes have many viable users, and can be used. Your argument that you run no pokemon weak to rock is also pretty bad because then you're still taking 12% damage each time you switch, unless you run a whole team of rock resists.
Will it stop it? Sure. Why stop there and not just remove these cancerous coinflip moves while were at this crossroad?
Again though I do have to bring up there isn't only one counter for this.
Yes, but in the thread there was confusion and some thought it was about just Prankster, so that's how all the SwagCat discussion started.
Let's look at who sits in an internet forum and whines about the game and then evaluate who enjoys the game.
Can you outline these good arguments for me? Here's what I've seen so far:
That only works against swagger+foul play 6 mons. A good swagger spam team will just use toxic on a random mon or have at least a mon to obliterate what beats the spam.
OHKO moves have a very low chance of working. Free ohko moves.
i didnt say spikes wasnt viable i will be running klefki with it after i start breeding for good IV's
It only works if you get lucky
Not only are you factoring in on the worst case scenario, a 6-man team full of sweg, but this is the nature of the game. Also, 5 times a day? Is someone forcing you to play this game every second? If you don't like it, just don't play in the tier so much/go to a different one or at the very least build a counter team if you just have to have that OU goodness. Or just forfeit if the sight of a swag play team scares you that much. If playing this game is about having fun, then points don't matter too much these days.
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the bouncers aren't very good in actual competitive battles, lum berry is only usable once and sacrifices your item slot, own tempo makes you sac far better abilities 95% of the time, and magic coat makes you sacrifice a moveslot that could have gone to a better move.
Grass Types or a status absorber are needed to stop Spore, and Steels/Fairies find their use in stopping Outrage.
The best argument against it is that several OU Pokemon can check or counter it almost all the time without running particularly niche sets. Taunt Thundurus-I, Phys Defensive Rotom-W, Chansey, Sylveon, etc. are all way better than any Own Tempo user.
Grass Types, Fairy Types and Steel Types are useful outside of stopping Spore / Outrage. Own Tempo literally does nothing but stop confusion. (Also Spore is semi-banned, sleep clause exists).
-The luck is HEAVILY swayed in favor of the SwagPlayer, just based on probability. I don't mind a little luck thrown in but a 25% chance of your Pokemon even being able to do anything at all, that's not the same as taking a chance on Focus Blast's 70% accuracy.
