The thing is that Blissey can't take a Knock Off well, and loses its leftovers, which is the only possible reason to consider Blissey. A Blissey without Leftovers is just a worse Chansey, and a Blissey with them is still a worse Chansey. Bolt Beam doesn't really matter when they're so weak, but I'll give you that you can handle Gliscor with them. Chansey and Blissey are used on teams to be bulky clerics that dgaf about status, and Chansey accomplishes this niche infinitely better.
Sylveon isn't horrible. It's just outclassed. Machamp isn't horrible. It's just outclassed. All outclassed pokemon have tiny things that prevent them from being 100% useless over their better counterparts, but they shouldn't be ranked, due to there practically always being a better solution. Blissey is bulky, yes, but Chansey does what Blissey does better.
Chansey takes less damage than Blissey from any attack.
In all these examples, Chansey is taking ≈14% less damage. In Sandstorm, blissey's HP remains constant, but Chansey's goes down by 6.25%, so in the end, Chansey will still have 7.75% more HP, and thus will able to Wish Pass, Wish Heal, use Heal Bell, and take further hits more easily than Blissey.
But neither Blissey nor Chansey should ever have their items Knocked Off. If they do, you didn't play well. Plus, Blissey gets demolished by most Knock Offs/Knock Off users. Blissey's passive recovery is offset by Chansey taking 14% less damage from basically every hit, and its bolt beam coverage doesn't matter that much when Seismic Toss is usually enough for a defensive pokemon.
But what about Florges? Or Machamp? They're both solid Pokemon, worthy of C+ at least, but are heavily outclassed and as such are, rightly, D rank and unranked, respectively. Sure, on its own merits, Blissey deserves C+, B even. But, when you compare it to chansey, its worth in the metagame drastically drops, as it does with Florges, Machamp, Arcanine, and Donphan, who alone aren't bad, but in comparison to Sylveon, Clefable, Conkeldurr, Entei, Charizard, Heatran, Excadrill, Starmie, and Blastoise are terrible.
I've always thought Florges should be C ranked, as it can be effective, given the right support. However, it is completely over shadowed. It fits the definition, although this thread is meant to tell people what to use. Florges should never ever be used, because Sylveon is always better. Ditto with Blissey and Chansey. I guess by definition both should be C rank, but I don't think that's right. Both are fine Pokemon that never should be used due to being outclassed. Can both be used well? Absolutely. They each would be the two best clerics in the game, but because of the existence of Sylveon and Chansey, they don't have any place on a team. I really wish the definition were changed, as it can easily be misinterpreted that completely outclassed Pokemon, like Blissey, can be worth using, and are of the same level of viability as threats that aren't outclassed. Blissey is good, but completely unviable.
Florges isn't ranked because a.) it's blacklisted and b.) no point when virtually everything it does is done better by Sylveon. Blissey at least has a niche that Chansey can't fit and has some situational advantages over it that qualifies it to be ranked.
Florges has situational advantages over Sylveon that are as important as Blissey's over Chanseys': not really. However, I don't want this to just be me discussing Florges. I will say, by definition, it deserves C rank, as does Blissey. However, both are very poor pokemon to use, as they offer little to no benefits over their competition.
* Neither run HP investment
literally the first listed for blisseys set last Gen ran flamethrower. And if chansey could I'm pretty sure it would run an elemental beam if it could over siesmic toss. Also, I fail to see how having an offensive moves are useless for it's role. That's like saying its bad for skarm to run brave bird or mandibuzz shouldn't run foul play.
Thank you. I think all the definitions are immensely flawed, most notably the C rank one and the D rank one. Blissey is terrible, but I guess it does fit the definition of C better. I guess C- is best for it (and Florges and Machamp tbh). However, the problem with this is that Pokemon currently in D Rank, Whimsicott and Exploud, are so much better than the two and have well crafted niches. Even the almost entirely outclassed pokemon in D rank, like Tentacruel and Empoleon, are better than Blissey and Florges, as their niches are more important. However, they're forced into D rank due to a technicality, while by definition, they deserve C rank. Pokemon in D rank should be there for having unimportant niches, like Weezing and Mawile, while most of them are there just because they're outclassed, and thus deserve C rank, by definition. Can we please have someone rewrite them so that all outclassed pokemon are below pokemon with actual niches?
Seismic toss is the most common move on Blissey. Flamethrower is the most common actual attack, and it only has 10% usage. The special attack is theoretically useful, but is only worth it if blissey is reliably facing specially offensive pokemon, with low special defense, that are 4x weak to Blissey's one special move. It's a tiny niche, but still, Chansey is a better choice for a teamslot
that's all I was getting at. Blisseys only notable niches are leftovers recovery not being crippled by knock off and acedd to the beams, if so desired. Personally I feel it should be ranked, but definetly nowhere near chanseys level
Oh yeah, you're right. Seismitoed, Gastrodon, and Barbaracle are still the only pokemon that need to get ranked.
Gastrodon can still manage against Thundurus, if need be.
