Fireburn
BARN ALL
I want to quickly dispel some misconceptions regarding this suspect:
1) Banning Gengarite means we're banning a Pokemon - Gengarite isn't a Pokemon. Gengarite is an item. Call it semantics but if anything is getting banned, the thing that actually will be banned will be an item. Thing is, Mega Gengar (and Mega Evolutions in general) are much closer to being set variants than actual standalone Pokemon. They're different from formes that you send out as their own thing (i.e. Deoxys-Attack, Rotom-Heat) since it is impossible to send out Mega Gengar on its own. You always send it out as Gengar, and then you can choose whether or not to actually Mega Evolve (which you may not want to do immediately if you want to get some use out of Levitate) to make use of the item Gengarite (which makes it different than Giratina holding Griseous Orb, for example, since holding it means you're stuck in Origin Forme).
2) Ubers isn't supposed to ban things for being uncompetitive - OHKO Clause, Moody Clause, and Swagger Clause would all like to have a word with you.
3) Overpowered and uncompetitive are the same thing -
Overpowered = Every Pokemon classified as Uber. That's how they ended up in Ubers.
Uncompetitive = Things that break game elements, invalidate important game mechanics, or otherwise detract from skill being the primary method of deciding Pokemon battles
I can go more in depth if needed but these are not necessarily the same thing.
4) I don't think Mega Gengar should be banned but Shadow Tag should be banned - Shadow Tag will only be suspected if Gengarite is banned. If you think Shadow Tag (and really Gengarite by extension) should be banned, opt to ban Gengarite.
5) Ubers is a banlist, not a tier -It's both. Ubers's function as a banlist simply means that "Uber" is what we call things that are too strong for OU. That's it. After that it's a metagame, which has been defined previously by former Ubers Leader bojangles as "the metagame with the least amount of bans." And no, we are not making Ubers usage based. Ever.
I'll make a better post later but I wanted to go ahead and address all these things before we got derailed too far.
1) Banning Gengarite means we're banning a Pokemon - Gengarite isn't a Pokemon. Gengarite is an item. Call it semantics but if anything is getting banned, the thing that actually will be banned will be an item. Thing is, Mega Gengar (and Mega Evolutions in general) are much closer to being set variants than actual standalone Pokemon. They're different from formes that you send out as their own thing (i.e. Deoxys-Attack, Rotom-Heat) since it is impossible to send out Mega Gengar on its own. You always send it out as Gengar, and then you can choose whether or not to actually Mega Evolve (which you may not want to do immediately if you want to get some use out of Levitate) to make use of the item Gengarite (which makes it different than Giratina holding Griseous Orb, for example, since holding it means you're stuck in Origin Forme).
2) Ubers isn't supposed to ban things for being uncompetitive - OHKO Clause, Moody Clause, and Swagger Clause would all like to have a word with you.
3) Overpowered and uncompetitive are the same thing -
Overpowered = Every Pokemon classified as Uber. That's how they ended up in Ubers.
Uncompetitive = Things that break game elements, invalidate important game mechanics, or otherwise detract from skill being the primary method of deciding Pokemon battles
I can go more in depth if needed but these are not necessarily the same thing.
4) I don't think Mega Gengar should be banned but Shadow Tag should be banned - Shadow Tag will only be suspected if Gengarite is banned. If you think Shadow Tag (and really Gengarite by extension) should be banned, opt to ban Gengarite.
5) Ubers is a banlist, not a tier -It's both. Ubers's function as a banlist simply means that "Uber" is what we call things that are too strong for OU. That's it. After that it's a metagame, which has been defined previously by former Ubers Leader bojangles as "the metagame with the least amount of bans." And no, we are not making Ubers usage based. Ever.
I'll make a better post later but I wanted to go ahead and address all these things before we got derailed too far.