It only removes Flying's WEAKNESSES. This isn't a Roost situation; it's still flying type, just a flying type with no weaknesses.
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ORAS General Discussion - Mark 2 - Spoilers Inside
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Oh, okay, I misinterpreted it then.
Were the stat boosts and the base power of Dragon Ascent confirmed yet?
No, but we can make a pretty good educated guess. Attack and Special Attack are confirmed to get the bigger boosts so probably +30 to both of those imo.
By the way, does anyone else just love the timing of showing off Mega Ray? Just before October 3rd? It's like Game Freak are just saying "Were you REALLY thinking of getting Smash Bros over ORAS?" before slapping you across the face with Dragon Ascent.
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it doesn't say if DA is physical or special so stop running calcs lol
the lore is incomplete though... Like what happened next? It mega evolved and then realized it actually needed to go Primal? lol XD
It's new ability is the main thing that makes a second form sound unlikely to me. Otherwise I'd still be totally banking on it. There's nothing in the lore saying anything about Primal Devolution being exclusive to the two. Just an incomplete story about how two of them can primal-devolve and one of them can mega-evolve. There's definitely still information they're waiting to fill us in on about Rayquaza. They are not telling us the full story on purpose. Even if it's not "Primal" I still kind of expect we'll find out that this is Mega Rayquaza A and there's also a Mega Rayquaza O or something. Everyone thought Charizard and Mewtwo Ys where THE megas for those two for a good while. And if anything is getting two forms in ORAs it's gonna be Rayquaza.
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Do you guys think this will affect Stealth Rock damage?
I believe hazards damage comes before weather, so Mega Rayquaza might still be SR weak :[
You can't give Mega Rayquaza a Choice Band because mega stone just saying :)
I could imagine Delta Stream affecting SR damage ONLY if it's already present on the field. That means in singles, this will only happen if you're already facing an enemy Mega Rayquaza. Considering that the weather ends as soon as mega rayquaza swaps out, it would have to reactivate it on switching in. Since entry hazards activate before abilities, it would take full SR damage.
I was quoting to the person responding to a post regarding the statement GF released that Mega Rayquaza "mega evolves in a way different from other Pokemon" and the idea someone said was that it could Mega Evolve and still hold an item.
Seeing as how Rayquaza has equal 150/150 attacking stats, it really doesn't matter in the end, but judging by how the attack works in the animation, it looks like a physical attack.
Carrying a STAB 180 BP move would be a bit redockulus with his already +150 attack. ;p
Big difference is that Charizard and Mewtwo had absolutely zero story relevance - which is admittedly very confusing with how much they hyped up Mewtwo then said hype sort of died out - so they could do whatever they wanted with them. IN addition, those two had very specific stats upgraded - Mewtwo and Charizard Y had special stats upgraded, while the X forms had physical stats upgraded. Mega Ray's info very specifically states that both it's Attack and Special Attack are upgraded with no preference towards either one, and then goes onto say almost all it's stats are upgraded. If this was just one of two Mega Rays, I don't quite see the obvious path to take. Defensive Ray? For a Primal? Doesn't make sense to me. In addition, there's absolutely no story reason for it either. It'd be a very pointless addition to a lore that's already so strong, and again, the balance of Ray having a Mega while Groudon and Kyogre have a Primal is just too strong to me. I feel you're interpreting it a little incorrectly based on false hope for a Primal - it's very obviously leaving it open at "and then..." to make Mega Ray seem even more mysterious or have it as part of the lore that the people of Hoenn don't know or have forgotten or have vague memories of it or whatever.
Oh and also not sure what other ability they could do for a Primal that's not Delta Stream.
I really don't see any reason to believe Primal Rayquaza'll be a thing other than the fact that Groudon and Kyogre got one. They make a very clear distinction of why Rayquaza got a Mega instead of a Primal, and if it were to have a Primal I'm 100% certain they'd want to leave it open rather than outright state it like that.
Do you think they aren't doing the two mega forms thing in these games or do you think something other than Rayquaza is getting the special treatment? idk, I don't really see any of those reasons as being dead stops to why there can't be two forms. The story reason is the weakest imo, we don't even have the full story yet, lol. And they haven't used the word "instead" that's just a word you bolded and used yourself :p All they've told us that Rayquaza gets a Mega, that it will be unique in some way, and that we still don't know everything about it and its lore...
Wait, so does that pretty much confirm that its speed is not getting an upgrade? Because if they're leaving something out, then it's gotta be speed. Rayquaza's offenses and defenses have always been equal and it would be a pretty weird move to boost, say its Sp.Def without boosting his defense.
This stinks, because Rayquaza's speed is okay for an Uber dragon but just a few more points would've made a huge difference. But I guess that after Dragon Ascent and Delta Stream they had to do something to keep Mega Rayquaza from single-handedly destroying everything. (Do you guys remember Rayquaza kicking Salamence's ass in the trailer from last month? Well, it looks like it'll actually be the other way around).
Okay, sorry, they said why it gets a Mega Evolution and not a Primal Devolution. That better?
Dragon Dance exists.
They probably just wanted to draw the line in the sand that primal devolution is a bad thing m'kay? Despite whatever game bonuses, it seems that the story might be treating it like shadow pokemon, power at the cost of madness. Mega-evolution is power of friendship, so the hero Rayquaza mega-evolves based on positive feelings while the other two go through devolution due to negative ones.
This isn't new, since the very first primal (Primal Dialga) was depicted as a very very bad thing too.
While there isn't any information explicitly ruling out Primal Rayquaza, there also isn't any to support it either. Please stop bringing it up. We got a mega, be happy.
This isn't new, since the very first primal (Primal Dialga) was depicted as a very very bad thing too.
While there isn't any information explicitly ruling out Primal Rayquaza, there also isn't any to support it either. Please stop bringing it up. We got a mega, be happy.
Well, however you want to word it as long as long as the implication that it can't primal devolve isn't hidden in the words. Like you could say "they explained why this form is a mega and not a primal" :p
is it just me or is your main goal on this forum to just try and shoot down every suggestion people make? I'm not meaning to get too confrontational here, I just realized suddenly that almost every conversation I see you having is about how someone's suggestion obviously won't be included in the game.
Eh.
The issue with "Primal" Dialga is another translation issue. In the original PMD, it was Dark Dialga whowent mad because he lost control of time thanks to Darkrai's mucking around. They didn't want to call it "dark" in the english, so they tweaked the story to explain that dialga had his own primal reversion.
It makes sense where you're going with that thought, though.
*drools*
That thing is going to wreck all the things. So what if it isn't getting a boost to Speed. 1 Dragon Dance on that monster and it will sweep your team so hard that it knocks out three other teams that had nothing to do with the battle.
OK, that's an exaggeration. Actually, even people saying that this is going to break Ubers is a bit of an exaggeration. Why?
I did some basic calculations based on the 105/180/110/180/110/95 estimation on it's stats. It still has trouble taking out Lugia. Assuming that 180 is correct, a 252 Atk Adamant Mega Quaza would 7HKO on a 248 HP/252 Def Bold Lugia with Leftovers if it uses Outrage (At 150 BP, a physical Dragon Ascent would be a 5HKO). Even if it has a Choice Band (also known as 1 Dragon Dance), it would be a 1.1% chance of a 4HKO.
Powerful? Hell yeah. Wreaking everything? No. (I think a lot of people are going to be using Lugia now)
The design isn't quite as good as regular Quaza, but is fine.
Part of me hopes that Shiny Mega Rayquaza is red just so I can make a Yu-Gi-Oh reference in naming it Slifer. A guy can dream, can't he?
That thing is going to wreck all the things. So what if it isn't getting a boost to Speed. 1 Dragon Dance on that monster and it will sweep your team so hard that it knocks out three other teams that had nothing to do with the battle.
OK, that's an exaggeration. Actually, even people saying that this is going to break Ubers is a bit of an exaggeration. Why?
I did some basic calculations based on the 105/180/110/180/110/95 estimation on it's stats. It still has trouble taking out Lugia. Assuming that 180 is correct, a 252 Atk Adamant Mega Quaza would 7HKO on a 248 HP/252 Def Bold Lugia with Leftovers if it uses Outrage (At 150 BP, a physical Dragon Ascent would be a 5HKO). Even if it has a Choice Band (also known as 1 Dragon Dance), it would be a 1.1% chance of a 4HKO.
Powerful? Hell yeah. Wreaking everything? No. (I think a lot of people are going to be using Lugia now)
The design isn't quite as good as regular Quaza, but is fine.
Part of me hopes that Shiny Mega Rayquaza is red just so I can make a Yu-Gi-Oh reference in naming it Slifer. A guy can dream, can't he?
Since the official English reveal video still mentions a Mega Stone, I think that it will still need to hold it.
If Game Freak thinks that I'm not getting both Smash and ORAS, then they have lost their minds.
And that's going to be scary. But still revenge killed by any Choice Scarfed Mence/Chomp/Latias. On the other hand, unless said Scarfers are at full health, I don't know if they could stand a +1 Extremespeed.
ES complements M-Quaza so well that even after a couple of defense drops you can't just send out any priority user to revenge kill it. So here's my new motto: never switch out when you're facing Mega Rayquaza. You're better off losing whatever's on the field than letting this beast get a DD.
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