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Super Smash Bros 4 (Spoilers ITT)
- Thread starter LonelyNess
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Yeah, Bowser has been buffed significantly. He's almost godlike compared to his reputation in Brawl and Melee. Most of his moves have become faster (especially his B-Air, which is sooo good), he never dies, and he even has launch resistance for some of his attacks. I'd go as far as to say that he's the best character in the game right now, but y'know... opinions.
Some day one and two impressions!
Also Miis are very fun
I love chickens Eddy!
- Bowser Jr is really cool. Morton is best koopa. His forward air is a great gimping tool. The Side-B jump cancel thing is really handy. U-Air is a little under the radar for an attack that does like 10 damage very quickly. Running attack is cool to punish spot dodges and rolls.
- Smash run is a lot of fun! It carries that same sort of satisfaction and fun from gradually leveling up a character and feeling them get more powerful that games like Kirby airride and TF2's MvM mode had.
- Level 9 Classic is hard! Spent what felt like 90 minutes grinding out a win against it. Word of advice for Master Hand / Core: Try to find a character with a really quick damaging attack or an attack that has multiple full power hitboxes that don't usually connect (G&W's Uair, Link's Dair / Uair) and spam that. Master Core also attacks in a pretty noticible rhythem, so just attack, and get the hell out when the rhythem comes back to his turn.
- Bowser's really fun now with his new Bair and F-Smash. He feels really good. I didn't realize this while I was playing with him, but he's very similar to Donkey Kong now in terms of having big ranged attacks with high knockback.
- Not really as happy with Dr.Mario as I thought I might be. The fatal flaw is that his Down throw has lots of knockback as opposed to Mario's virtually none. He still has nearly the same utilt at least.
- Custom moves have been pretty hard to get so far. I'm doing the home button buffer trick, but I seem to be getting custom equipment most of the time. Was able to get Bowser Jr's custom stuff complete fairly easily somehow, though.
- Custom equipment is pretty fun and pretty broken to the point where I don't think we'll see it without heavy regulation in competitions. One of the powers flat out gives you a Bob-omb to start the match. Another heals you every few seconds. Lots of fun for smash run and dicking around with friends though.
- Lucario is AMAZING! All of his moves have amazing scaling when he's injured. Side B is absolutely ridiculous and stretches like a 2/5ths of FD when he's heavily damaged. His kill potential is insane; I remember killing a mario with a d smash at 82% in the middle of the stage. His recovery is godly, you can freely come back to the stage however you like. I've been playing Morton primarily, but I think Lucario is going to be who takes over for who I play the most.
- This game has completely fucked up my sleep schedule. I got it at a midnight release and played it until 6 am. That's mostly continued.
Also Miis are very fun
I love chickens Eddy!
You can still do an Up Smash during a dash. I think that tech is called DACUS or something (unless I'm thinking of something else)?
Pac-Man's Side-B is SO much fun to use. If you're quick you can do a complete U-turn with it and it doesn't make you helpless when used in the air, which is sweet. His Down-B can double as a good kill move when you knock the fire hydrant away.
I can concur with the equipment being broken; I was able to buff Villager with a set with neutral power and positive defense + speed at the cost of starting each match already at 30% (though I also get 20% damage resistance).
EDIT: Villager item you want for the damage resist at the cost of 30% damage at the start is called Trade-Off defender Lloid. I combined it with Stylish Clothes and Agility badge to get +0 Attack, +9 Def, +5 Speed.
Pac-Man's Side-B is SO much fun to use. If you're quick you can do a complete U-turn with it and it doesn't make you helpless when used in the air, which is sweet. His Down-B can double as a good kill move when you knock the fire hydrant away.
I can concur with the equipment being broken; I was able to buff Villager with a set with neutral power and positive defense + speed at the cost of starting each match already at 30% (though I also get 20% damage resistance).
EDIT: Villager item you want for the damage resist at the cost of 30% damage at the start is called Trade-Off defender Lloid. I combined it with Stylish Clothes and Agility badge to get +0 Attack, +9 Def, +5 Speed.
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Everyone could always up smash out of a dash, but a DACUS is only for a few characters where they cancel the dash and can then slide across the stage while charging their up smash, rather than just stopping in place. It's removed now.
Originally at E3 somebody said DACUS was removed (or "nobody could do it") but this is great news :)
Kinda iffy tbh
I personally have found Kirby to be pretty damn good, which is just perfect since he is my absolute favorite! There aren't many noticeable changes, but the changes in mechanics and overall pace of the game have helped me out a lot with him, plus, that Final Smash...
In fact, I am having a great with almost all characters, they all are a joy to play with! This makes me incredibly happy.
I still have to truly get the hang of Rosalina, though, haven't learned how to properly make use of Luma, unfortunately.
In fact, I am having a great with almost all characters, they all are a joy to play with! This makes me incredibly happy.
I still have to truly get the hang of Rosalina, though, haven't learned how to properly make use of Luma, unfortunately.
I think it's far far far too early to pass final judgement on anything, when JP release was out everyone said Mac was garbage and now everyone thinks he's top tier two days after release...
I completely agree with what your message is smashlloyd20 but most Japanese players stated that Little Mac was amazing, and he's still amazing at punishing mistakes.
I still think people should just play what they think will be good/fun (most importantly the latter) and just try to get good with those characters. The meta is fresh and now is our time to utilize it. :3
I still think people should just play what they think will be good/fun (most importantly the latter) and just try to get good with those characters. The meta is fresh and now is our time to utilize it. :3
I've been playing over the past few days, and all I can say is... I want the C-stick. I need the C-stick. Give me the C-stick and I shall be happy.
Anyway, thoughts on characters so far (that I've played):
Zero Suit Samus: I am so maining with her; not because she's so good, but because dat alternate outfit
Lucario: I still find Lucario to be quite awesome; if anything, I've found to have had more success with Lucario here than I did in Brawl, even though he plays exactly like he did in Brawl. But... ugh, his voice suuuuucks, his old one sounded so sexy
Little Mac: For some reason, I hate playing as Little Mac and yet he's the one I've had the most success with. I mean, hitting that knockout punch is just satisfying as hell, and he deals amazing damage, but I just really hate how bad his recovery is. Can't say I blame Sakurai though; if Little Mac had decent recovery, he'd be SSBB Meta Knight tier.
Shulk: Two words: Shirtless Shulk. Anyway, beyond that, I've actually had some success with Shulk; how he plays makes it easier to KO other players considering it's fucking impossible to do Smash attacks without the C-stick
Robin: I really like Robin; he/she is a pretty solid character with good Specials (especially when you get Thoron, that is satisfying as fuck.) Also, Chrom occasionally on the victory screen. Still the closest I am to having Chrom in Smash. My main problem is that Robin is really slow; the fucker barely even runs!
Duck Hunt: Cancer.
Also, Is Tumblr saying the same shit about shirtless Shulk that they're saying about ZSS's alternate outfit? If not, then hypocrites
Anyway, thoughts on characters so far (that I've played):
Zero Suit Samus: I am so maining with her; not because she's so good, but because dat alternate outfit
Lucario: I still find Lucario to be quite awesome; if anything, I've found to have had more success with Lucario here than I did in Brawl, even though he plays exactly like he did in Brawl. But... ugh, his voice suuuuucks, his old one sounded so sexy
Little Mac: For some reason, I hate playing as Little Mac and yet he's the one I've had the most success with. I mean, hitting that knockout punch is just satisfying as hell, and he deals amazing damage, but I just really hate how bad his recovery is. Can't say I blame Sakurai though; if Little Mac had decent recovery, he'd be SSBB Meta Knight tier.
Shulk: Two words: Shirtless Shulk. Anyway, beyond that, I've actually had some success with Shulk; how he plays makes it easier to KO other players considering it's fucking impossible to do Smash attacks without the C-stick
Robin: I really like Robin; he/she is a pretty solid character with good Specials (especially when you get Thoron, that is satisfying as fuck.) Also, Chrom occasionally on the victory screen. Still the closest I am to having Chrom in Smash. My main problem is that Robin is really slow; the fucker barely even runs!
Duck Hunt: Cancer.
Sonic: Love playing as this guy. Not only are his attacks fast, but they actually pack a decent punch now. His homing attack got a big buff, so you can travel REEEEALLY far with it, and the move itself is kind of hard to punish after shielding it from what I can tell. Spin Dashing is a mix. Even though it does some pretty good damage and can actually combo into Homing Attack, the constant spinning noise is just ear raping. Other than that, he's improved a good deal during the transition from Brawl.
Meta Knight: Oh, how the mighty hath fallen. Both his side and neutral B's have lost the ability to grab the ledge, thus greatly limiting his recovery options. Along with that, neutral's lost a lot of duration time, and side's lost its draw-in effect, so you can blow by your opponent after hitting them and barely do any damage, and it also lost the little jump thing it does when it ends in the air, making it a pretty terrible move. On the bright side though, Galacta Knight costume!
Bowser Jr.: Gotta say, it's pretty fun playing as him. He has a lot to offer, like a god damn cannon, a throwable bomb, and he isn't completely helpless after using his recovery. His side special is also pretty neat for approaching. His Side Smash is really satisfying to land, whether it kills or not, though his other Smash attacks leave a bit to be desired in my opinion. Also, his tilts and pummel are adorable.
Lucina: At first I thought I'd hate her, since she doesn't have the tipper effect like Marth does. But then I started playing as her, and sure enough, I can't find myself using Marth over her now. She's like an easy mode version of Marth; you don't get super powerful attacks for tipping, but your power is nice and consistent no matter what. Besides, she still has her spike, so no complaints here. She probably won't be super good in tournament level play, but it's good to not rely on tippers to KO.
Charizard: It's one big step forward, one little step back with this one. A lot of his attacks are much faster, he has a lovely F-Air now compared to Brawl's, and Flare Blitz is both a decent recovery option and a nasty move to get hit with. Sadly, his D-Air seems to have received reduced range, as well as a sourspot if you don't hit with the foot. It's a shame, since that was my favorite move to hit people with.
Yoshi: I'm actually quite surprised by how much Yoshi's improved. His second jump doesn't have any delay when rising, his B-Air is pretty powerful, his Up Smash is a little faster, his Egg Roll is smoother and more reliable to use, and his Dash Attack has become better overall. Some of his moves got faster, and I've found that you can jab and then combo into a tilt or Up Smash, so his combo game got a little better. An enjoyable new spin on an old relic.
Samus:
Meta Knight: Oh, how the mighty hath fallen. Both his side and neutral B's have lost the ability to grab the ledge, thus greatly limiting his recovery options. Along with that, neutral's lost a lot of duration time, and side's lost its draw-in effect, so you can blow by your opponent after hitting them and barely do any damage, and it also lost the little jump thing it does when it ends in the air, making it a pretty terrible move. On the bright side though, Galacta Knight costume!
Bowser Jr.: Gotta say, it's pretty fun playing as him. He has a lot to offer, like a god damn cannon, a throwable bomb, and he isn't completely helpless after using his recovery. His side special is also pretty neat for approaching. His Side Smash is really satisfying to land, whether it kills or not, though his other Smash attacks leave a bit to be desired in my opinion. Also, his tilts and pummel are adorable.
Lucina: At first I thought I'd hate her, since she doesn't have the tipper effect like Marth does. But then I started playing as her, and sure enough, I can't find myself using Marth over her now. She's like an easy mode version of Marth; you don't get super powerful attacks for tipping, but your power is nice and consistent no matter what. Besides, she still has her spike, so no complaints here. She probably won't be super good in tournament level play, but it's good to not rely on tippers to KO.
Charizard: It's one big step forward, one little step back with this one. A lot of his attacks are much faster, he has a lovely F-Air now compared to Brawl's, and Flare Blitz is both a decent recovery option and a nasty move to get hit with. Sadly, his D-Air seems to have received reduced range, as well as a sourspot if you don't hit with the foot. It's a shame, since that was my favorite move to hit people with.
Yoshi: I'm actually quite surprised by how much Yoshi's improved. His second jump doesn't have any delay when rising, his B-Air is pretty powerful, his Up Smash is a little faster, his Egg Roll is smoother and more reliable to use, and his Dash Attack has become better overall. Some of his moves got faster, and I've found that you can jab and then combo into a tilt or Up Smash, so his combo game got a little better. An enjoyable new spin on an old relic.
Samus:
Pic of the day. Conquest mode is now open to overseas players. This is when things finally get serious. We've increased the frequency for updates, too. The Global Smash Power rankings will get interesting with more players involved. Connect online, and keep updating your status. This screenshot is the result from the last Conquest challenge. (image is from the Japanese version)
(Side note, new conquest is Villager and Bowser and it appears Villager is getting destroyed)
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Pac-Man: I've also been using Pac-Man, but couldn't find a sprite for it. It's a bit difficult to use a first, but after adjusting to it I can confidently say it's one of my favorites to use. I spent the majority of my day today practicing with it and it got up to 6.5 on Classic mode. I've been getting better at timing Side A to smack foes around. Speaking of Side A, it's so strong when charged. After two hits it has a possibility to instantly KO if timed and hit correctly, it will be three usually though. B is kind of weird, the fruits are neat and all but changing it to random throwing breaks the move; don't do it. Side B is kind of ok, it's not very strong but it works to cause damage and get away. Now, let me talk about its Smash. Its Smash oml, it's so fun to use and causes great damage; not to mention how cool it looks as well! It's definitely a great character after you practice with it more!
Been having so much fun playing this game, I especially love customizing fighters and the sheer variety of the game itself. Definitely a great game for those who've yet or are hesitant to buy it, I highly encourage you to buy it as soon as you can haha!
Dread Arceus
total cockhead
I'm playing Sheik primarily just to gimp the ever loving shit out of Little Macs if it makes you feel better :3
So I've been playing a fair bit in SP. Done some online with MikeAU (He's an Aussie) and it was working ok in 1v1 yesterday. We tried a threeway sometime on Saturday and it was not horrific, but pretty laggy/buffery in spots.
I think the more players you get the worse the online experience goes... But that was like first day of launch and I've heard reports of it getting better since. I think they've realised a lot more people are playing online than expected and bumped up the servers.
I've been playing a fair bit of everyone cause no one has really grabbed my attention. I'm liking all the people I've always liked (Luigi, Ness, Kirby, DDD, Samus, Falcon etc). Mii Gunner seems hilarious, and I am amazed at some of the huge buffs that the heavier characters have gotten. Bowser is much faster now, Ganondorf has some armour on his moves. I've been looking at doing the challenges and things too, but some of them are stupid. Idek what Street Smash is, i messed about in it a few times, but there are a bunch on the second challenge page related to it...
I like almost everyone really. Can we set up some leaderboard or something for Target Blast scores/Sand Bag hits etc? I think that would be cool too :)
I think the more players you get the worse the online experience goes... But that was like first day of launch and I've heard reports of it getting better since. I think they've realised a lot more people are playing online than expected and bumped up the servers.
I've been playing a fair bit of everyone cause no one has really grabbed my attention. I'm liking all the people I've always liked (Luigi, Ness, Kirby, DDD, Samus, Falcon etc). Mii Gunner seems hilarious, and I am amazed at some of the huge buffs that the heavier characters have gotten. Bowser is much faster now, Ganondorf has some armour on his moves. I've been looking at doing the challenges and things too, but some of them are stupid. Idek what Street Smash is, i messed about in it a few times, but there are a bunch on the second challenge page related to it...
I like almost everyone really. Can we set up some leaderboard or something for Target Blast scores/Sand Bag hits etc? I think that would be cool too :)