Tyranitar (Support Revamp)

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[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Pursuit
move 3: Crunch
move 4: Fire Blast / Stone Edge / Superpower
item: Chople Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Sand Stream
nature: Adamant / Brave
evs: 252 HP / 88 Atk / 168 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

Tyranitar's high stats, important ability in Sand Stream, and access to Stealth Rock allow it to provide a supportive role to its team. Stealth Rock is the only entry hazard Tyranitar has access to, but it is very important in punishing the opponent's switches and racking up damage on Pokemon such as Volcarona and Thundurus-T. With enough investment into special bulk, Tyranitar is capable of checking many dangerous special attackers in the tier, such as Latios, Latias, and Gengar. Pursuit allows Tyranitar to trap and remove these Pokemon for its teammates, while Crunch allows Tyranitar to threaten bulkier Psychic- and Ghost-types such as Reuniclus, Celebi, and Jellicent. Tyranitar's last moveslot improves its coverage. Fire Blast can roast common Steel-type switch-ins such as Scizor, Skarmory, Forretress, and Ferrothorn and also prevents the latter three from laying entry hazards on Tyranitar. Alternatively, Stone Edge gains a STAB boost and allows Tyranitar to threaten various threats such as Volcarona, Thundurus-T, Ninetales, and Gyarados—if accuracy is valued over power, Rock Slide can be used instead. Finally, Superpower allows Tyranitar to deal significant damage to some Pokemon it can check, such as Heatran and Hydreigon, as well as being Tyranitar's best bet against Fighting-type switch-ins such as Terrakion and Keldeo.

[ADDITIONAL SET COMMENTS]

The given EV spread allows Tyranitar to always OHKO Latios and 2HKO physically defensive variants of Reuniclus with Crunch. The HP investment maximizes Tyranitar's bulk, and the remaining EVs are put into Special Defense to help Tyranitar take hits from Pokemon it can trap such as Starmie, Latios, and Gengar, as well as make the most out of the Special Defense boost it receives from the sand. Tyranitar's item depends on what role it plays on the team. Chople Berry allows Tyranitar to check various special attackers that use Focus Blast as a coverage move to hit Tyranitar, such as Alakazam, Gengar, Tornadus, Thundurus-T, Hydreigon, and Reuniclus. Lum Berry aids Tyranitar's ability to Pursuit trap Scald or Will-O-Wisp users such as bulky Starmie, Ninetales, and Jellicent and can also remove crippling Toxic poison. Shed Shell can be used if Tyranitar's teammates are weak to various sun or rain sweepers—using Shed Shell prevents Tyranitar from being trapped by Dugtrio, which allows Tyranitar to continue to provide sandstorm for its team. Tyranitar can even use a Shuca Berry to help it lure bulky Ground-types such as Landorus-T, Garchomp, and Donphan and eliminate them with Ice Beam. If none of these items are needed to help Tyranitar support its team, it can use Leftovers to increase its longevity, bettering its ability to check special attackers and win weather wars.

With Tyranitar's wide movepool, there are many other options that can be used with this set. Ice Beam is the most useful of these and can be used to hit Gliscor, Landorus-T, and Donphan, some common switch-ins to Tyranitar, for massive damage. Tyranitar can also use Ice Beam to deal huge damage to Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Garchomp. Earthquake is another option Tyranitar can use, OHKOing Heatran and 2HKOing Jirachi. Tyranitar can also use Thunder Wave to lure and cripple certain checks to it, such as Keldeo and Terrakion. Finally, Tyranitar can use Dragon Tail or Roar to phaze opposing setup sweepers and rack up entry hazard damage on foes.

Thanks to its massive defenses, Hippowdon doesn't fear anything from this set aside from the rare Ice Beam. Hippowdon can stall Tyranitar out with Slack Off or deal massive damage to it with Earthquake. Fighting-types have always been the bane of Tyranitar's existence, and this generation has only added to the myriad of Pokemon that counter Tyranitar reliably. Pokemon such as Keldeo, Conkeldurr, and Breloom can all threaten Tyranitar with their STAB attacks, but Terrakion deserves a special mention, as it can OHKO Tyranitar even through its Chople Berry. Psychic-types such as Latias and Starmie can switch into Fighting-type attacks and threaten these Pokemon with Psyshock. Starmie in particular is a important teammate if Tyranitar isn't using Fire Blast, as it can spin away entry hazards that Tyranitar tends to concede to the likes of Skarmory and Ferrothorn. Keldeo appreciates Tyranitar's ability to Pursuit trap many of its common checks such as Latios, Jellicent, and Celebi and can threaten bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon and Landorus-T, which threaten Tyranitar. Breloom is in a similar boat, and it can also threaten bulky Water-type Pokemon. Both Keldeo and Breloom also appreciate Tyranitar keeping opposing weather sweepers at bay by providing sandstorm, allowing the former to outspeed Venusaur and the latter to fare better against powerful Water-type attacks. Skarmory is also a good partner, as it appreciates Tyranitar's ability to check dangerous special attackers and the residual damage it provides against the opposing team with Stealth Rock and sandstorm, which Skarmory can further take advantage of by setting up Spikes and shuffling the opposing team with Whirlwind. Thanks to its good physical bulk and typing, Skarmory can also handle many of the Fighting- and Ground-types that Tyranitar hates.
 
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Things I would slash in the SE (mention Rock Slide as an alternative btw) and SR slots: Superpower and Fire Blast for the SE slot, Ice Beam, Earthquake, Thunder Wave, Dragon Tail (last two aren't common at all but I think they're worth mentioning, feel free to ignore them though).

I find Leftovers almost never help this sort of Tar do its job, definitely shouldn't be slashed before Chople. I think if you aren't using Chople then Lum is the way to go (burns from Politoed/Tentacruel/Ninetales/Heatran/Rotom-W/Mew). Of course there's Shed Shell if you're really Sun weak otherwise. Shuca works with Ice Beam if you want a Land-T lure and it helps with Dug and Donphan on Sun.

Good call on the EVs, mention these things and this'll be good to go
 

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Agree with Kev, especially regarding the item. I'd slash Chople/Lum/Shed Shell in that order, since you often rely on this kind of Ttar to (on top of setting up Rocks and checking/trapping Lati@s):
  • Soft check some special attackers with Focus Blast in their coverage to hit Ttar (Alakazam, Gengar, Reuniclus come to mind) → Chople
  • Soft check/pursuit Scald users such as Starmie/Jellicent → Lum
  • Provide a weather to avoid getting crushed by Sun/Rain (mainly the former usually) → Shed Shell
Honestly, I wouldn't slash TWave and DTail just because they're so uncommon and more situationnal than the other moves at your disposition (altho they aren't bad at all). It's pretty hard to decide what's mandatory or not on this particular Tyranitar set, considering how many variants are possible, but I guess SR/Dark Move/Coverage*2 is the way to go if you wanna be concise.
 

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Alrite I implemented everything you guys said (thanks for catching all that stuff!), but left mentions of items: Shed Shell / Shuca and moves: Ice Beam / Earthquake / Thunder Wave / Dragon Tail (the ones BKC slashed w/ SR) in AC rather than slashing them into the main set in an attempt to "clean up" the slashes a little and not possibly overcomplicate things. Just wondering if there is anything you guys feel really deserves to be slashed on the main set before I move this onto GP, because I kinda fixed it up w/o further input from you guys.

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A Tar as slow as this will never outrun anything except Reuniclus, the Slow twins, Amoonguss, Ferrothorn and Forretress. RS is all about the accuracy (can't envision a scenario where the extra PP helps), I would remove the mention of its flinch rate.

Perhaps a brief mention of Thundurus-T and Tornadus being two more dangerous mons Chople helps against. Looks fine otherwise!
 

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Looks good to me. I think Ice Beam is better than the other AC moves but at the same time it's not as good as the slashed moves. Maybe you can find a way to make it stand out?

Also I think Fire Blast should be first. Hitting Spikers is really important in BW because not only are Spinners rare (and not all of them are compatible with Sand) but it's pretty hard to spin in general. That set in particular really hates Spikes so you're doing yourself a gigantic favor by luring them. Stone Edge and Superpower are nice but not quite as nice, as you only need them to hit stuff you check harder, when half the time you'll be trying to set up SR on them anyway. I think you should mention in AC that you need some kind of anti-Spikes mesure without Fire Blast unless you like to play with 3 Spikes every game.

Leftovers aren't that bad either. If my team has something like Scizor to check Focus Blasters I'll consider it, as the recovery really helps in weather wars. I think it deserves some kind of AC mention!
 

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[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Pursuit
move 3: Crunch
move 4: Stone Edge / Superpower / Fire Blast
item: Chople Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Sand Stream
nature: Adamant / Brave
evs: 252 HP / 88 Atk / 168 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tyranitar's high stats, important ability in Sand Stream, and access to Stealth Rock allow it to provide a supporting supportive (less awkward) role to its team. Stealth Rock is the only entry hazard Tyranitar can set up has access to, but it is very important in punishing the opponents' opponent's switches and racking up damage on Pokemon such as Volcarona and Thundurus-T. With enough investment into bulk, Tyranitar is capable of checking many dangerous special attackers in the tier, such as Latios, Latias, and Gengar. Pursuit allows Tyranitar to trap and remove these Pokemon for its teammates, while Crunch allows Tyranitar to threaten bulkier Psychic- and Ghost-types such as Reuniclus, Celebi, and Jellicent. Tyranitar's last moveslot improves its coverage. Stone Edge gains a STAB boost and allows Tyranitar to threaten various threats such as Volcarona, Thundurus-T, Ninetales, and Gyarados - if reliability is valued over power, Rock Slide can be used instead. Superpower allows Tyranitar to deal significant damage to some Pokemon it can check, such as Heatran and Hydreigon, while Fire Blast can roast common Steel-type switch ins such as Scizor, Skarmory, Forretress, and Ferrothorn.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread allows Tyranitar to always OHKO Latios and 2HKO physically defensive variants of Reuniclus with Crunch. The HP investment maximizes Tyranitar's bulk, and the remaining EVs are put into Special Defense to help Tyranitar take hits from Pokemon it can trap such as Starmie, Latios, and Gengar, and also as well as make the most out of the Special Defense boost it recieves receives from the sand. Tyranitar's item depends on what role it plays on the team. Chople Berry allows Tyranitar to check various special attackers who that use Focus Blast as a coverage move to hit Tyranitar, such as Alakazam, Gengar, Tornadus, Thundurus-T, Hydreigon, and Reuniclus. Lum Berry aids Tyranitar's ability to Pursuit trap Scald or Will-O-Wisp users such as bulky Starmie, Ninetales, or and Jellicent (RC) and can also remove crippling Toxic poison. Shed Shell can be used if Tyranitar's teammates are weak to various sun or rain sweepers. Using Shed Shell prevents Tyranitar from being trapped by the likes of Dugtrio, (I know devastatingly little about BW but isn't it pretty much only for Dugtrio? Afaik the only other trapper is Gothitelle, which was irrelevant from what I've heard, and from what I know about BW Dugtrio was Very Good for its ability to trap and kill weather setters - if you're really only referring to Dugtrio chop 'the likes of' please) which allows Tyranitar to continue to provide sandstorm for its team. Finally, Tyranitar can use a Shuca Berry to help it lure bulky Ground-types such as Landorus-T, Garchomp, and Donphan and eliminate them with Ice Beam.</p>

<p>With Tyranitar's wide movepool, there are many other options that can be used with this set. The aforementioned Ice Beam can be used to hit Gliscor, Landorus-T, and Donphan, some common switch-ins (add hyphen) to Tyranitar, for massive damage. Tyranitar can also use Ice Beam to deal huge damage to Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Garchomp. Earthquake is another option Tyranitar can use to OHKO Heatran and 2HKO Jirachi. Tyranitar can also use Thunder Wave to lure and cripple certain checks, such as Keldeo and Terrakion. Finally, Tyranitar can use Dragon Tail or Roar to phaze opposing set up setup sweepers and rack up entry hazard damage on foes.</p>

<p>Thanks to its massive defenses, Hippowdon doesn't fear anything from this set aside from the rare Ice Beam. Hippowdon can stall Tyranitar out with Slack Off or deal massive damage to it with Earthquake. Fighting-types have always been Tyranitar's bane, and this generation has only added to the myriad of Pokemon that counter Tyranitar reliably. Pokemon such as Keldeo, Conkeldurr, and Breloom can all threaten Tyranitar with their STAB attacks, but Terrakion deserves a special mention as it can OHKO Tyranitar even through its Chople Berry. Psychic-types such as Latias and Starmie can switch into Fighting-type attacks and threaten these Pokemon with Psyshock. Keldeo appreciates Tyranitar's ability to Pursuit trap many of its common checks such as Latios, Jellicent, and Celebi (RC) and can threaten bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon or Landorus-T that threaten Tyranitar. Breloom is in a similar boat, and it can also threaten bulky Water-type Pokemon. Both Keldeo and Breloom also appreciate Tyranitar keeping opposing weather sweepers at bay by providing sandstorm, allowing the former to outspeed Venusaur and the latter to fare better against powerful Water-type attacks. Skarmory is also a good partner, as it appreciates Tyranitar's ability to check dangerous special attackers and the residual damage it provides on the opposing team with Stealth Rock and sandstorm, which Skarmory can further abuse by setting up Spikes and shuffling the opposing team with Whirlwind. Skarmory can also handle many of the Fighting- and Ground-types Tyranitar hates with its good physical bulk and typing.</p>



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[SET]
name: Support
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Pursuit
move 3: Crunch
move 4: Fire Blast / Stone Edge / Superpower
item: Chople Berry / Lum Berry
ability: Sand Stream
nature: Adamant / Brave
evs: 252 HP / 88 Atk / 168 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Tyranitar's high stats, important ability in Sand Stream, and access to Stealth Rock allow it to provide a supportive role to its team. (or just "support its team") Stealth Rock is the only entry hazard Tyranitar has access to, but it is very important in punishing the opponent's switches and racking up damage on Pokemon such as Volcarona and Thundurus-T. With enough investment into special bulk, Tyranitar is capable of checking many dangerous special attackers in the tier, such as Latios, Latias, and Gengar. Pursuit allows Tyranitar to trap and remove these Pokemon for its teammates, while Crunch allows Tyranitar to threaten bulkier Psychic- and Ghost-types such as Reuniclus, Celebi, and Jellicent. Tyranitar's last moveslot improves its coverage. Fire Blast can roast common Steel-type switch-(add hyphen)ins such as Scizor, Skarmory, Forretress, and Ferrothorn, (RC) and also preventing prevents the latter three from laying entry hazards on Tyranitar. Alternatively, Stone Edge gains a STAB boost and allows Tyranitar to threaten various threats such as Volcarona, Thundurus-T, Ninetales, and Gyarados - &mdash;if reliability accuracy is valued over power, Rock Slide can be used instead. Finally, Superpower allows Tyranitar to deal significant damage to some Pokemon it can check, such as Heatran and Hydreigon, as well as being Tyranitar's best bet against Fighting-type switch-ins such as Terrakion and Keldeo.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The given EV spread allows Tyranitar to always OHKO Latios and 2HKO physically defensive variants of Reuniclus with Crunch. The HP investment maximizes Tyranitar's bulk, and the remaining EVs are put into Special Defense to help Tyranitar take hits from Pokemon it can trap such as Starmie, Latios, and Gengar, as well as make the most out of the Special Defense boost it receives from the sand. Tyranitar's item depends on what role it plays on the team. Chople Berry allows Tyranitar to check various special attackers that use Focus Blast as a coverage move to hit Tyranitar, such as Alakazam, Gengar, Tornadus, Thundurus-T, Hydreigon, and Reuniclus. Lum Berry aids Tyranitar's ability to Pursuit trap Scald or Will-O-Wisp users such as bulky Starmie, Ninetales, and Jellicent and can also remove crippling Toxic poison. Shed Shell can be used if Tyranitar's teammates are weak to various sun or rain sweepers. Using Shed Shell prevents Tyranitar from being trapped by Dugtrio, which allows Tyranitar to continue to provide sandstorm for its team. Tyranitar can even use a Shuca Berry to help it lure bulky Ground-types such as Landorus-T, Garchomp, and Donphan and eliminate them with Ice Beam. If none of these items are needed to help Tyranitar support its team, it can use Leftovers to increase its longevity, bettering its ability to check special attackers and win weather wars.</p>

<p>With Tyranitar's wide movepool, there are many other options that can be used with this set. The aforementioned Ice Beam is the most useful of these, (RC) and can be used to hit Gliscor, Landorus-T, and Donphan, some common switch-ins to Tyranitar, for massive damage. Tyranitar can also use Ice Beam to deal huge damage to Dragon-types such as Dragonite and Garchomp. Earthquake is another option Tyranitar can use, (AC) OHKOing to OHKO Heatran and 2HKOing (it previously read like it was another of the group of moves ttar can use to hit those pokemon that hard, but it's the only one, really) Jirachi. Tyranitar can also use Thunder Wave to lure and cripple certain checks to it, such as Keldeo and Terrakion. Finally, Tyranitar can use Dragon Tail or Roar to phaze opposing setup sweepers and rack up entry hazard damage on foes.</p>

<p>Thanks to its massive defenses, Hippowdon doesn't fear anything from this set aside from the rare Ice Beam. Hippowdon can stall Tyranitar out with Slack Off or deal massive damage to it with Earthquake. Fighting-types have always been Tyranitar's bane (perhaps just use the more common and standard "bane of Tyranitar's existence), and this generation has only added to the myriad of Pokemon that counter Tyranitar reliably. Pokemon such as Keldeo, Conkeldurr, and Breloom can all threaten Tyranitar with their STAB attacks, but Terrakion deserves a special mention, (AC) as it can OHKO Tyranitar even through its Chople Berry. Psychic-types such as Latias and Starmie can switch into Fighting-type attacks and threaten these Pokemon with Psyshock. Starmie in particular is a important teammate if Tyranitar isn't using Fire Blast, as it can spin away entry hazards that Tyranitar tends to concede to the likes of Skarmory and Ferrothorn. Keldeo appreciates Tyranitar's ability to Pursuit trap many of its common checks such as Latios, Jellicent, and Celebi and can threaten bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon or and Landorus-T, (AC) which that threaten Tyranitar. Breloom is in a similar boat, and it can also threaten bulky Water-type Pokemon. Both Keldeo and Breloom also appreciate Tyranitar keeping opposing weather sweepers at bay by providing sandstorm, allowing the former to outspeed Venusaur and the latter to fare better against powerful Water-type attacks. Skarmory is also a good partner, as it appreciates Tyranitar's ability to check dangerous special attackers and the residual damage it provides on against the opposing team with Stealth Rock and sandstorm, which Skarmory can further abuse take advantage of by setting up Spikes and shuffling the opposing team with Whirlwind. Skarmory can also handle many of the Fighting- and Ground-types that Tyranitar hates, (AC) thanks to with its good physical bulk and typing. (Highly suggest: "Thanks to ..., Skarmory can also...")</p>

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