I second this. Revenge killers is a must pls
Also, Typh can only really check other Typhlosions. It can't check MixedMortar, who runs EQ, which I've been seeing more of lately.
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The issue is distinguishing them from the other revenge killers, for instance: Mesprit is a good choice scarf user that can be a revenge killer, but regular Mesprit doesn't fit the revenge killer role to well as its not to fast. There would have to be a sub section of revenge killer that was scarfers to distinguish that fact. Then on top of that revenge killers is actually a huge section, every single pokemon can technically be a revenge killer if they're revenge killing a Pokemon. You would have to distinguish that somehow when making this section and not have it be the entire tier. (I use the entire tier loosely).
Agreeing with Mont.
Added a Malamar checks section o-o
Added a Malamar checks section o-o
I would add Mesprit, Musharna, and Xatu to Malamar checks because all of them can run Signal Beam effectively (and even Colbur Berry)
Ninjask (Band) and Vivillon also work, though the latter needs Bug Buzz which is not that great and they both can't take a Knock Off
Ninjask (Band) and Vivillon also work, though the latter needs Bug Buzz which is not that great and they both can't take a Knock Off
Yeah, I was considering those but I was a bit shaky since that's under the assumption they're running a colbur berry (more important in mesprit and kinda xatus case) but I guess it's fair to add them. To brawlfests dismay, I don't think I'll add ninjask bc it's such a terrible Malamar check.
There should probably be a category for weather sweepers, though I don't know if it'd just be rain, sun, and sand mixed together or if they should be separate categories. Just naming it Weather (or Rain, Sun, and Sand) means you can also include setters like Uxie, Liepard, Regirock, and Hippopotas
Edit: Also, could Ludicolo go under boosting sweepers? Rain Dance is not exactly a set up move, but it essentially works the same way as one except the boost doesn't apply to all its moves
On that note, does Rock Polish and Agility fall into that category? Stuff like Rhydon and Articuno, and even some other more niche Pokemon like Lanturn, are all at least somewhat effective users
Edit: Also, could Ludicolo go under boosting sweepers? Rain Dance is not exactly a set up move, but it essentially works the same way as one except the boost doesn't apply to all its moves
On that note, does Rock Polish and Agility fall into that category? Stuff like Rhydon and Articuno, and even some other more niche Pokemon like Lanturn, are all at least somewhat effective users
Added a weather section that includes setters, rain abusers, and sun abusers (maybe sand abusers rip mega lix) - not sure what else could go in sun abusers.
Add Victreebel, Jumpluff, Sawsbuck and Leafeon under sun abusers pls.
Also Volbeat and Illumise ( garbage but can switch in on sp.grass hits in a rain team) under weather setter.
If we have weather, we should probably add trick room too. But that could encourage new players to use dedicated trick room teams which isn't really good. So dunno about that, depends what people say.
Yeah, I was probably going to add that at one point or another. One thing that I was thinking about in regards to that was a flying type check section as well (archeops / swellow / vivillon etc) but they share a lot of the same checks (rock and steel types) while the only difference per say is electric type mons in regards to flying types.
Do you think they should be in the same category or separate? Anyone can answer this.
I think a normal type check section is more important. We don't have enough relevant flying types to justify it. I could understand an Archeops check section because of how huge it is right now.
Yea since Mega Steelix has been gone, there has been a huge influx of Normal spam teams and the overall rise of Kangaskhan, Tauros, and Zangoose so this is very important. I am tempted to say Klinklang may need its own check section too because of how big it is becoming too although I feel that isn't nowhere near as necessary as Normal Spam check section.
Updated with typh / mega Camerupt bans.
I would add Fraxure under other sweepers since it can run Dragon Dance pretty effectively. Rhydon should also go under other sweepers since it can run Rock Polish or Dragon Dance. If Gorebyss is going to go under rain abusers, Huntail might as well too since it gets Swift Swim and fun moves like Sucker Punch plus rain-boosted STAB. Not sure what you could call it, but a section for mons that deter hazard removal would be cool as well to help people with hazard-stacking teams. It could include things like Mismagius, Golurk, Haunter, Pawniard, Primeape, you get the idea. Just an idea maybe it's not worth it.
Updated with tier shifts n_n
e: thanks lol, knew I'd miss one xd
e: thanks lol, knew I'd miss one xd
You forgot to remove Toad from Weather Setters.
Just a few things worth mentioning :o
- Add Pinsir to offensive stealth rock users (Mold Breaker Stealth rock is godly *-*)
- Add Pinsir to the Malamar checks section
- Both Pinsir and Magneton could be added to choice scarf section, both fantastic users of it
- Add Pinsir to boosting sweepers section (Sword Dance)
stunfisk agrees (did)
Did all except for the scarfers, I havent seen either do that great in practice and they don't sound that great on paper, but I'm certainly willing to reconsider. EQ is really good and common on chops, so only if scarf mag is added I'll add it as an archeops check.
You should add mr mime to fighting checks. It is neutral to knock off so you don't have to run Colbur (Well you can't but still) and quad resists fighting. There should also be a healing wish section/cleric one and if added, add mr mime because it has arguably a better offensive typing, arguably. It also lures in mag to hit it with focus blast which mesprit can't do, plus scares malamar away with life orb stab dazzling gleam.
small thing but you should add Aurorus to weather setters boltsy ;)
edit: oh and I wanted to suggest the possibility of adding a Psychic-type check section? Primarily to prepare for Calm Mind sweepers because they are something every team should be prepared for.
edit: oh and I wanted to suggest the possibility of adding a Psychic-type check section? Primarily to prepare for Calm Mind sweepers because they are something every team should be prepared for.
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Added. Mesprit can hit mag with HP Fire, but obviously Focus Blast does more (ohkos non evio mag probably).
Added both. ;)
Mush is there since it has the upper hand versus all the other psychic types, as it can set up alongside them and usually win.
Also I'll try and separate some of the [x]-type check sections into offensive and defensive like I did with fire type checks.
