VGC Gardevoir and Support

[MG-Absolite]

This team will be my first serious team to use in a local premier challenge so i decided to get more opinions!


Gardevoir-Mega @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Protect

This is a fairly standard set, but its offensive pressure is great. It ohkos most things weak to fairy and covers of few resistances. Trace can be helpful by revealing an opponent's ability or tracing intimidate.

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252 SpA Mega Gardevoir Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aegislash-Blade: 118-140 (70.6 - 83.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Mega Gardevoir Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Venusaur: 158-188 (84.4 - 100.5%) -- 6.3% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Mega Gardevoir Psychic vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Amoonguss: 218-260 (98.6 - 117.6%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 162-192 (92 - 109%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Mega Gardevoir Psychic vs. 128 HP / 0 SpD Nidoqueen: 210-248 (116 - 137%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Landorus (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Force
Level: 50
EVs: 52 Atk / 204 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Rock Slide
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Ice
- Protect

This set is meant to outspeed and ohko anything that resists or threatens mega gardevoir. It has hp ice in order to counter garchomp and landorus.

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-1 52 Atk Life Orb Landorus Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Charizard: 156-187 (101.2 - 121.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
204 SpA Life Orb Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 250-296 (126.2 - 149.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
204 SpA Life Orb Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Aegislash-Blade: 190-226 (113.7 - 135.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
204 SpA Life Orb Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Mega Metagross: 164-195 (105.8 - 125.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
204 SpA Life Orb Landorus Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Mega Mawile: 148-174 (94.2 - 110.8%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO
204 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 148-176 (90.2 - 107.3%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
204 SpA Life Orb Landorus Hidden Power Ice vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 140-168 (76 - 91.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

That's the offensive core to this team, and the rest is mostly support.


Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Seed Bomb
- Leech Seed
- Protect

This is my mega kangaskhan, landorus, mega gengar, mega metagross, mega salamence, mega gardevoir, sylveon, and suicune counter. It can take anything these throw at it and deal recoil damage and pick of KOs with gyro ball and seed bomb. I chose seed bomb for accuracy. Leech seed allows it to recover, stall hp, and do more recoil damage.

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0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 81-96 (44.7 - 53%) -- 24.6% chance to 2HKO
252 Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 75-88 (41.4 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Salamence: 64-76 (37.6 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Meteor Mash vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 33-39 (18.2 - 21.5%) -- possible 5HKO
252 SpA Mega Gengar Shadow Ball vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Ferrothorn: 75-88 (41.4 - 48.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Gengar: 97-115 (71.3 - 84.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Ferrothorn: 42-51 (23.2 - 28.1%) -- 76.3% chance to 4HKO
-1 0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 24 Def Landorus-T: 58-69 (35.3 - 42%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Arcanine @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Modest Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Snarl
- Flamethrower
- Protect

This arcanine is a switch in to mixed mega salamence, mega metagross, mega scizor, ferrothorn, amoongus, breloom, and bisharp. Safety goggles allow it to ignore amoongus' and volcarona's rage powder, and switch into breloom's and amoongus' spore.

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-1 252 Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Arcanine: 82-97 (41.6 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Zen Headbutt vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Arcanine: 66-78 (33.5 - 39.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0+ SpA Arcanine Flamethrower vs. 252 HP / 0+ SpD Amoonguss: 122-146 (55.2 - 66%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
+1 252+ Atk Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 156 Def Arcanine: 133-157 (67.5 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0+ SpA Arcanine Flamethrower vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bisharp: 152-180 (107.8 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Scrafty @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Protect

Scrafty is a switch in to mega kangaskhan, mega metagross, bisharp, aegislash, mega gengar, and weavile. It also can assist landorus in knocking out talonflame before it uses tailwind, and it assists suicune in knocking out landorus-T before it does any damage.

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-1 252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Scrafty: 60-72 (34.8 - 41.8%) -- 71% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Scrafty Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Kangaskhan: 80-96 (44.1 - 53%) -- 18% chance to 2HKO
-1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Scrafty: 46-55 (26.7 - 31.9%) -- 50.2% chance to 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
0 Atk Scrafty Knock Off vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 50-60 (32 - 38.4%) -- 87.8% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Scrafty Drain Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Bisharp: 160-192 (113.4 - 136.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 164+ Def Scrafty: 99-118 (57.5 - 68.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Suicune @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 100 SpA / 116 SpD / 20 Spe
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Tailwind
- Protect

Suicune can be helpful to pick up KOs on landorus-T, mega salamence, and garchomp. It can also match tailwind if necessary, burn things with scald, and KO things with low special defense.

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252 Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Suicune: 60-72 (28.9 - 34.7%) -- 6.6% chance to 3HKO
100 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 168-200 (102.4 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Suicune: 108-127 (52.1 - 61.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
100 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 156-184 (91.2 - 107.6%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252+ SpA Heatran Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 42-50 (20.2 - 24.1%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
100 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 176 HP / 0 SpD Heatran: 90-108 (47.8 - 57.4%) -- 36.7% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Garchomp Dragon Claw vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Suicune: 60-72 (28.9 - 34.7%) -- 6.6% chance to 3HKO
100 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Garchomp: 160-192 (86.9 - 104.3%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO
0 SpA Thundurus Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 90-108 (43.4 - 52.1%) -- 5.9% chance to 2HKO
100 SpA Suicune Scald vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Mega Camerupt: 180-216 (101.6 - 122%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I hope you enjoy and tell me if u see any big problems! I put the importable text below. Thanks!

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Gardevoir-Mega @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psychic
- Shadow Ball
- Protect

Landorus @ Life Orb
Ability: Sand Force
Level: 50
EVs: 52 Atk / 204 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Rock Slide
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect

Ferrothorn @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Seed Bomb
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Arcanine @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpD
Modest Nature
- Will-O-Wisp
- Snarl
- Flamethrower
- Protect

Scrafty @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Protect

Suicune @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Pressure
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 100 SpA / 116 SpD / 20 Spe
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Tailwind
- Protect

Edit: I changed the EVs and natures of Suicune and Scrafty, and changed ferrothorn's worry seed to leech seed for better offense. I changed Landorus' sludge bomb to hp ice for better offensive power.

 

[Draconid997]

Hi MG-Absolite :]
this is a very nice mega gardevoir team. its switching synergy is near perfect (bar a flying weakness), which is excellent, and your fwg core compliments gardevoir very well. however i would like to suggest a few alternatives :]

- your team looks like it would appreciate a semi-trick room mode, as running users like timid gardevoir, sassy scrafty, relaxed ferrothorn and naive landorus is counter-productive in tailwind. a great trick room core commonly used on mega gardevoir teams like this is gardevoir/amoonguss/scrafty. these cores usually aim to keep gardevoir alive with rage powder/spore+fake out/intimidate/snarl support whilst gardevoir can sweep through teams with its STAB pixilate hyper voice.

Suggested sets for a TR core:

Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 220 HP / 252 SpA / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Trick Room
- Protect

- Speed creeps 252 spe adamant bisharp after mega evolving
- Psyshock hits sylveon harder

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 188 HP / 164 Def / 156 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Rage Powder
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Protect

- 188 HP maximises regenerator recovery (HP stat is 213, fitting in to the 'Regenerator Nth Term' of 3n+1)
- Survives Mega Kangaskhan double-edge
- Survives choice specs hydreigon fire blast

Scrafty @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 164 Def / 4 SpA / 84 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Snarl

- Survives -1 adamant CB talonflame Brave bird
- Survives life orb jolly terrakion's close combat (no intimidate)
- Survives Charizard Y overheat in sun
- very bulky set, focus on support instead of damage output


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Here is a suggested framework for mega gardevoir teams, taken from the teambuilding frameworks page for doubles OU (i appreciate that there will be some difference to vgc in this metagame):

Team Roles
1) Mega Gardevoir
2) Fast Offensive Support (mostly Scarf Landorus-T. Tailwind Talonflame/Latios are good alternatives)
3) Bulky Fire Type (Safety Goggles is a great item here to counter amoonguss:
Heatran, Infernape and Arcanine are great here)
4) Water Defensive Support (possible speed control user (thunder wave/tailwind/trick room), can lower opponents Attack with Intimidate/Will-O-Wisp/Scald:Suicune, Milotic, Rotom-W, Gyarados, Jellicent... )
5) Kangaskhan Check/Counter (mostly carries Intimidate + Fake Out, are "Bulky Attackers", Scrafty is excellent)
6) Wild Card, to complete popular tri-core typing, most teams use Amoonguss

with this in mind i suggest you amend the team with some of these alternatives to suit what you would like:

(Suggested Sets)

Recommended choices in Bold

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Def / 4 SpD / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- U-turn

- Survives +1 Adamant LO Bisharp sucker punch
- Fast Rock slide+intimidate support is excellent for mega gardevoir
- Part of important double intimidate core

Talonflame @ Life Orb
Ability: Gale Wings
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 64 Def / 12 SpA / 176 Spe
Naughty Nature
- Brave Bird
- Overheat
- Tailwind
- Protect

- Outspeeds Mega Kangaskhan Sucker Punch by 1 point.
- Beats standard 4/252/252 talonflame 1-on-1

Latios (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Psyshock
- Tailwind
- Protect

Heatran @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 172 HP / 52 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Substitute
- Protect

- Survives -1 life orb terrakion close combat
- Outspeeds max spe adamant bisharp, KOs with heat wave
- Provides a secondary source of spread damage under trick room
- Safety goggles for safe switch in to amoonguss/breloom

Infernape (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 108 Atk / 188 SpA / 212 Spe
Naive Nature
- Fake Out
- Overheat
- Close Combat
- Feint

- high chance to OHKO mega kangaskhan and heatran with close combat, and high chance to OHKO aegislash with overheat

Suicune @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 100 SpA / 116 SpD / 20 Spe
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Tailwind
- Protect

- Outspeeds scarf landorus-t after tailwind

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Milotic @ Maranga Berry
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 236 HP / 156 Def / 100 SpA / 12 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam/Icy Wind
- Recover
- Protect

- Maranga Berry + recover have excellent synergy
- Survives Kangskhan double-edge
- Survives Hydreigon draco meteor

Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 76 SpA / 148 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Protect

- Survives Charizard Y solarbeam
- OHKO's talonflame with thunderbolt
- Speed creeps other 4 spe rotom-w

Gyarados @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 244 HP / 20 Atk / 4 Def / 28 SpD / 212 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Waterfall
- Thunder Wave
- Taunt
- Protect

- Outspeeds max speed smeargle (spread is from 2014 sorry :( )
- Lots of bulk

Jellicent @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Cursed Body
EVs: 252 HP / 140 Def / 116 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
- Trick Room/Taunt

- can reverse the opponent's trick room :]

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weaknesses/resistances:

your original team: http://www.eggyemporium.com/tools/teambuilder/?282m|645|598|59|560|245

+ great all round resistances
- open flying weakness

recommended team: http://www.eggyemporium.com/tools/teambuilder/?282m|591|560|645|479w|485

+ No open weaknesses
+ at least one resistance to every type

importable version of recommended team:

(Importable - for testing on showdown)

Gardevoir @ Gardevoirite
Ability: Trace
EVs: 220 HP / 252 SpA / 36 Spe
Modest Nature
- Hyper Voice
- Psyshock
- Trick Room
- Protect

Amoonguss @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 188 HP / 164 Def / 156 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Rage Powder
- Spore
- Giga Drain
- Protect

Scrafty @ Assault Vest
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 164 Def / 4 SpA / 84 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Snarl

Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 12 HP / 252 Atk / 92 Def / 4 SpD / 148 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Superpower
- U-turn

Heatran @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 172 HP / 52 Def / 76 SpA / 4 SpD / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
- Heat Wave
- Earth Power
- Substitute
- Protect

Rotom-Wash @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 20 Def / 76 SpA / 148 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hydro Pump
- Will-O-Wisp
- Protect

hope this helps :)​

 

[MG-Absolite]

Your team looks like it would appreciate a semi-trick room mode, as running users like timid gardevoir, sassy scrafty, relaxed ferrothorn and naive landorus is counter-productive in tailwind.

I'd rather no use trick room. It allows gardevoir to take too much damage without benefiting its offensive power, and many trick room users out-class it. I have relaxed scrafty and ferrothorn for particular reasons. Slow ferrothorn boosts it's gyro ball, and slow scrafty under-speeds all aegislash variants and can ohko aegislash in blade form.

A great trick room core commonly used on mega gardevoir teams like this is gardevoir/amoonguss/scrafty. these cores usually aim to keep gardevoir alive with rage powder/spore+fake out/intimidate/snarl support whilst gardevoir can sweep through teams with its STAB pixilate hyper voice.

I'm taking a more offensive approach to preserving gardevoir. Landorus-I ohkos most threats to gardevior and has the speed to do so before gardevoir attacks. Amoongus is a more passive way to deal with threats and can be easily overwhelmed by offensive threats.

You suggest using Landorus-T, but it requires a choice scarf to outspeed charizard y and talonflame, and is force to switch by defense switch-ins. I also don't need 3 intimidate users and trace gardevoir.

Thanks for the suicune and scrafty sets, I changed my own sets accordingly, but I would rather not change the pokes I use, rather just spreads and movesets. Thanks!

 

[Draconid997]

That seems a great way to preserve offensive gardevoir :) i understand the need for slow ferrothorn/scrafty, but middling speed tier teams do need a good form of speed control to keep up momentum, and TR seemed a good option, since tailwind lowered the power of ferrothorn's gyro ball etc. sorry if i suggested too big a change to your team - im sorta new to rmt so i apologise for that :) im glad you like the sets for suicune etc, ill find the damage calcs for them in a bit so you know a bit more about them

Btw i didn't mean having 3x intimidate but keeping that double intimidate core of scrafty/arcanine is good for managing the physical damage done to gardevoir
I was a bit unclear sorry

Also have you thought about ally switch on gardevoir? With your excellent typing synergy, it would be a good method of 'offensive redirection'

I'd rather no use trick room. It allows gardevoir to take too much damage without benefiting its offensive power, and many trick room users out-class it. I have relaxed scrafty and ferrothorn for particular reasons. Slow ferrothorn boosts it's gyro ball, and slow scrafty under-speeds all aegislash variants and can ohko aegislash in blade form.


I'm taking a more offensive approach to preserving gardevoir. Landorus-I ohkos most threats to gardevior and has the speed to do so before gardevoir attacks. Amoongus is a more passive way to deal with threats and can be easily overwhelmed by offensive threats.

You suggest using Landorus-T, but it requires a choice scarf to outspeed charizard y and talonflame, and is force to switch by defense switch-ins. I also don't need 3 intimidate users and trace gardevoir.

Thanks for the suicune and scrafty sets, I changed my own sets accordingly, but I would rather not change the pokes I use, rather just spreads and movesets. Thanks!

 

[Draconid997]

these are some damage calcs for the suicune set:

• +2 252 Atk Parental Bond Mega Kangaskhan Return vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Suicune: 223-263 (107.7 – 127%) — 3.9% chance to OHKO
• +1 252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Return vs. 252 HP / 20 Def Suicune: 177-208 (85.5 – 100.4%) — 6.3% chance to OHKO
• 252 SpA Choice Specs Thundurus-T Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 182-216 (87.9 – 104.3%) — 18.8% chance to OHKO
• 252 SpA Life Orb Protean Greninja Grass Knot (100 BP) vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 140-166 (67.6 – 80.1%) — guaranteed 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
• 252 SpA Mega Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 176-210 (85 – 101.4%) — 6.3% chance to OHKO
• 252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 116-138 (56 – 66.6%) — 35.2% chance to 2HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
• 252+ SpA Pixilate Mega Gardevoir Hyper Voice vs. 252 HP / 116+ SpD Suicune: 72-85 (34.7 – 41%) — guaranteed 4HKO after Sitrus Berry recovery
• 100 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 44 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 168-200 (98.8 – 117.6%) — 93.8% chance to OHKO
• 100 SpA Suicune Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mega Salamence: 156-184 (91.2 – 107.6%) — 43.8% chance to OHKO (Guaranteed after Double-Edge recoil).

Another spread i would like to suggest is for ferrothorn. Although the combo of rocky helmet/iron barbs is amazing for chip damage, Ferrothorn can quickly become deadweight once burned/intimidated, so a good vgc set for ferrothorn is one used by Ray Rizzo to win virginia regionals last year:

Ferrothorn @ Lum Berry
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 204 Atk / 52 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip/Seed Bomb
- Gyro Ball
- Leech Seed
- Protect

This set is able to heal Rotom-wash's will-o-wisp and KO back with power whip. its remaining EVs are invested into bulk :) hope this helps

damage calcs for power whip/seed bomb:

• 204+ Atk Ferrothorn Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Rotom-W: 158-188 (100.6 - 119.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
• 204+ Atk Ferrothorn Seed Bomb vs. 252 HP / 44 Def Rotom-W: 104-126 (66.2 - 80.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Scrafty @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 92 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Fake Out
- Drain Punch
- Knock Off
- Protect

btw, without AV scrafty can't survive an overheat from char y:

252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Overheat vs. 252 HP / 92 SpD Scrafty in Sun: 175-207 (101.7 - 120.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
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252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Overheat vs. 252 HP / 92 SpD Assault Vest Scrafty in Sun: 118-139 (68.6 - 80.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

super fang is probably a better filler option than snarl since you already have a snarl user in arcanine, and super fang allows you to do consistent damage :)

i hope my suggestions help; you have made an excellent team :)

 

[MG-Absolite]

Thanks! But i think ill stick with the defensive switch in ferrothorn and i prefer to carry protect on all my pokes, so I'd rather not run AV scrafty when landorus can ko char y before it overheats.

 

[Draconid997]

Thanks! But i think ill stick with the defensive switch in ferrothorn and i prefer to carry protect on all my pokes, so I'd rather not run AV scrafty when landorus can ko char y before it overheats.

Nice :) if you want to run leftovers on scrafty, a spread of 164 HP / 188 Def / 156 SpD (sassy nature) would optimize leftovers recovery, as the HP stat at level 50 (HP=161) fits in to the leftovers 'Nth term' of 16n+1 This also survives a -1 life orb terrakion close combat and has a ~30% chance to survive charizard y's overheat :)

252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Overheat vs. 164 HP / 156+ SpD Scrafty in Sun: 153-180 (95 - 111.8%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

-1 252 Atk Life Orb Terrakion Close Combat vs. 164 HP / 188 Def Scrafty: 133-159 (82.6 - 98.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 164 HP / 188 Def Scrafty: 126-150 (78.2 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO