Metagamiate!

This looks like a cool meta, my thoughts:

Regulate (Normal)
Staraptor, Diggersby and Porygon-Z are now incredibly threatening
Gladiate (Fighting)
Guts Conkeldurr with a 182 BP STAB Façade will destroy worlds.
Aerilate (Flying)
Noivern with STAB Boomburst will wreck everything. Tornadus-T can try a Bulk Up set too I guess
Toxicate (Poison)
Nothing OU relevant has Poison as its primary typing
Terrate (Ground)
Landorus-T can take a leaf out of Mega Glalie's book with its nuclear STAB Explosion. Gliscor can abuse a powerful STAB Façade with Poison Heal.
Sedimentiate (Rock)
Godsend on every OU relevant Rock type
Infestate (Bug)
Heracross could do the same as Conkeldurr. Scizor doesn't need Bug Bite anymore. Scolipede doesn't need to risk a miss with Megahorn.
Spectrate (Ghost)
Only OU relevant Ghost is Gengar who can't make use of this ability unless it runs Uproar.
Metallate (Steel)
Mega Metagross will destroy worlds with its 132 power Tough Claws boosted STAB Return. Jirachi will also like having a STAB Body Slam stronger than a STAB Earthquake.

Pyrate (Fire)
Physical Fire types love this, as they now don't have to have Flare Blitz's recoil. Entei and Arcanine now have STAB Extreme Speed; Charizard X gets Tough Claws boosted Return
Hydrate (Water)
Say goodbye to the weak Waterfall - now (Mega) Gyarados and Azumarill will be total powerhouses. Mega Swampert in Rain can outrun almost everything and destroy things with its Rain boosted STAB Return. Politoed also gets Rain boosted Hyper Voice.
Germinate (Grass)
Poison Heal Breloom gets an insanely strong STAB Façade. Swords Dance Mega Sceptile could be extremely threatening.
Generate (Electric)
Eh...no good users
Psychokinate (Psychic)
Mega Gallade now has a strong Psychic STAB to go with Close Combat.
Refrigerate (Ice)
Mamoswine absolutely wrecks
Slaviate (Dragon)
A godsend to physical Dragons, as they don't need to use Outrage anymore. (If it hasn't been banned) Kyurem-B loves this.
Tenebrate (Dark)
Weavile gets a really strong STAB if you don't mind giving up Knock Off. Hoopa-U's Return hits insanely hard.
Pixillate (Fairy)
All it really does is give Clefable a stronger STAB.
 

Pikachuun

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This looks like a cool meta, my thoughts:

Regulate (Normal)
Staraptor, Diggersby and Porygon-Z are now incredibly threatening
Gladiate (Fighting)
Guts Conkeldurr with a 182 BP STAB Façade will destroy worlds.
Aerilate (Flying)
Noivern with STAB Boomburst will wreck everything. Tornadus-T can try a Bulk Up set too I guess
Toxicate (Poison)
Nothing OU relevant has Poison as its primary typing
Terrate (Ground)
Landorus-T can take a leaf out of Mega Glalie's book with its nuclear STAB Explosion. Gliscor can abuse a powerful STAB Façade with Poison Heal.
Sedimentiate (Rock)
Godsend on every OU relevant Rock type
Infestate (Bug)
Heracross could do the same as Conkeldurr. Scizor doesn't need Bug Bite anymore. Scolipede doesn't need to risk a miss with Megahorn.
Spectrate (Ghost)
Only OU relevant Ghost is Gengar who can't make use of this ability unless it runs Uproar.
Metallate (Steel)
Mega Metagross will destroy worlds with its 132 power Tough Claws boosted STAB Return. Jirachi will also like having a STAB Body Slam stronger than a STAB Earthquake.

Pyrate (Fire)
Physical Fire types love this, as they now don't have to have Flare Blitz's recoil. Entei and Arcanine now have STAB Extreme Speed; Charizard X gets Tough Claws boosted Return
Hydrate (Water)
Say goodbye to the weak Waterfall - now (Mega) Gyarados and Azumarill will be total powerhouses. Mega Swampert in Rain can outrun almost everything and destroy things with its Rain boosted STAB Return. Politoed also gets Rain boosted Hyper Voice.
Germinate (Grass)
Poison Heal Breloom gets an insanely strong STAB Façade. Swords Dance Mega Sceptile could be extremely threatening.
Generate (Electric)
Eh...no good users
Psychokinate (Psychic)
Mega Gallade now has a strong Psychic STAB to go with Close Combat.
Refrigerate (Ice)
Mamoswine absolutely wrecks
Slaviate (Dragon)
A godsend to physical Dragons, as they don't need to use Outrage anymore. (If it hasn't been banned) Kyurem-B loves this.
Tenebrate (Dark)
Weavile gets a really strong STAB if you don't mind giving up Knock Off. Hoopa-U's Return hits insanely hard.
Pixillate (Fairy)
All it really does is give Clefable a stronger STAB.
To add onto what CorruptedFlame has said, Pikachu is actually quite good in this metagame due to its Extreme Speed or Fake Out being really strong thanks to Light Ball. Pixilate is also somewhat useful on mons such as Dogekiss, who can run both Special and Physical (which I thought was really cool and unique after I got swept by it) sets.

On the topic of OMotM, I'd really love to see this metagame be OMotM again to see how the Dnite ban truly affected the metagame since there aren't too many places where you can play this. I'd definitely like to see people try to use stall in this metagame as well, I remember word did quite well with it in the past and it seems like a fun, challenging thing for some of you to try.
 
To add onto what CorruptedFlame has said, Pikachu is actually quite good in this metagame due to its Extreme Speed or Fake Out being really strong thanks to Light Ball. Pixilate is also somewhat useful on mons such as Dogekiss, who can run both Special and Physical (which I thought was really cool and unique after I got swept by it) sets.

On the topic of OMotM, I'd really love to see this metagame be OMotM again to see how the Dnite ban truly affected the metagame since there aren't too many places where you can play this. I'd definitely like to see people try to use stall in this metagame as well, I remember word did quite well with it in the past and it seems like a fun, challenging thing for some of you to try.
Fake Out is egg and ExtremeSpeed is event.
 
This looks like a cool meta, my thoughts:

Regulate (Normal)
Staraptor, Diggersby and Porygon-Z are now incredibly threatening
Actually, Porygon-Z was the only one of those that was decent, though admittedly this was pre-ORAS and ORAS did a lot to make Diggersby good. Staraptor was... yeah, Reckless Double Edge hit hard, but everything in the meta hit hard.

Gladiate (Fighting)
Guts Conkeldurr with a 182 BP STAB Façade will destroy worlds.
Lucario was good stuff, as Fighting Extreme Speed backed by Swords Dance with a Focus Sash could sweep entire offensive teams by itself, and the meta was offensively slanted. Conkeldurr was mostly good as a wallbreaker, which... is okay, but not amazing when the meta is so offensively slanted.

Aerilate (Flying)
Noivern with STAB Boomburst will wreck everything. Tornadus-T can try a Bulk Up set too I guess
Noivern was actually underwhelming. Not that it doesn't have some use, but it wasn't that great.

Tornadus was actually usually better off running Defiant Incarnate. Intimidate abusers were extremely popular, in part due to how Physically slanted the mete is, and Defiant abuses that, while getting use out of Regenerator was hard when so many things would OHKO you if you weren't an actual wall.

Toxicate (Poison)
Nothing OU relevant has Poison as its primary typing
Crobat was kind of neat, actually, and a good partner with Lucario since it could U-Turn out as the enemy switches in a Steel type and now they're being threatened with Fighting Extreme Speed. This would be even more true nowadays, as Aegislash hadn't been banned yet when this was last OMotM. Since the meta is offensively slanted, it wasn't unusual for a team to have no Steel types, either, so immunity to Poison was a more manageable concern.

Beyond that, yeah, not a lot of payoff. Tons of Poison types are secondary Poison, Arceus is the only Poison type to get a boost on the Special end, and Poison is an awful type

Terrate (Ground)
Landorus-T can take a leaf out of Mega Glalie's book with its nuclear STAB Explosion. Gliscor can abuse a powerful STAB Façade with Poison Heal.
Gliscor had no real to not run Facade over Earthquake, certainly. Unfortunately, Gliscor has severe 4MSS, and it wasn't unusual to drop Facade because stuff like Knock Off was more reliable. In practice the main thing Gliscor gets out of the meta is that it's one of the few things wall-y enough to tank various key threats in the meta -like Landorus-Therian.

Landorus-Therian with Explosion is funny, and I saw the occasional suicide lead that dropped Stealth Rock and then Exploded, but it was uncommon, especially since Ground immunity was fairly popular, in part to deal with the likes of Excadrill.

Sedimentiate (Rock)
Godsend on every OU relevant Rock type
One of my favorite things for a bit there was actually Omastar. It gets Wring Out, which when the target has full health is 121 BP before the -ate bonus, more than doubling Omastar's Special Rock offense. This often really threw people, letting it get a KO or two before it went down. Main flaw with it was priority was common.

Barbaracle also gains an impressive amount of viability, because Tough Claws -ated Frustration is something like 170~ BP compared to Stone Edge's 100 BP. Nasty stuff.

Terrakion is notable for Rock type Quick Attack. Among other points, bulky Talonflame would be outsped and OHKOed. It was also decent at revenging against a fair number of key threats, like Mega Aerodactyl (see: Barbaracle, but no Shell Smash) and was just generally great stuff. Bonus points: Justified is more relevant with stuff like Dark Fake Out Weavile being a thing, a thing you can then kill with Quick Attack and if they're stupid enough to Quick Attack you they've given you a free +2 in the process. Good stuff.

Diancie is helped by a decent amount, but not that much. Physically, it might still prefer Diamond Storm, and on the Special end Nature Power isn't that much of an improvement over Ancient Power.

Infestate (Bug)
Heracross could do the same as Conkeldurr. Scizor doesn't need Bug Bite anymore. Scolipede doesn't need to risk a miss with Megahorn.
Scizor can also run Quick Attack, and did at times, letting it take out some fast Psychic and Dark threats that had the coverage to incinerate it otherwise. Occasionally it would run Feint instead, to push past enemy Quick Attacks (Such as Weavile, if Scizor had been weakened enough), though this was less common as Terrakion was by far the most common Quick Attacker and it made more sense to hit it with Bullet Punch.

A bigger payoff was actually to Forretress, as it gained unblockable Rapid Spin. Delibird, Avalugg, Kabutops, Armaldo, and Cryogonal were the only other Pokemon to gain truly unblockable Rapid Spins (Ignoring Shedinja, for which only Kabutops and Armaldo qualify as unblockable spinners), and they're all less viable than Forretress. Excadrill's Rapid Spin is actually easier to block, for instance. There are other Rapid Spins that are difficult to block, like Starmie, but not impossible, and immunity Abilities were a lot more popular in Metagamiate in general, and therefore so were the Pokemon with them. Forretress stood alone as a spinner the enemy couldn't carry the right Pokemon to block.

Spectrate (Ghost)
Only OU relevant Ghost is Gengar who can't make use of this ability unless it runs Uproar.
In addition to Mega Banette actually being surprisingly nasty... well... if you look at Ubers you get Hyper Voice Giratina...

... yeah okay you're pretty close to correct on Ghost. Sableye is easy to think it's relevant, but it's Dark/Ghost.

Metallate (Steel)
Mega Metagross will destroy worlds with its 132 power Tough Claws boosted STAB Return. Jirachi will also like having a STAB Body Slam stronger than a STAB Earthquake.
Pre-ORAS, Rock Polish Rock Head Aggron using Double Edge and Head Smash was able to sweep teams once enemy Steel types and Fighting priority was dealt with. (Technically Gliscor and Flygon get Ground Quick Attack, but nobody ever ran it, and with Flygon getting Boomburst now...) It was great stuff.

Pyrate (Fire)
Physical Fire types love this, as they now don't have to have Flare Blitz's recoil. Entei and Arcanine now have STAB Extreme Speed; Charizard X gets Tough Claws boosted Return
Pyroar was... almost okay, too, thanks to its access to Hyper Voice. It could kill certain Substitute stallers -and Substitute was good for cutting down on the extreme damage being thrown around- that were otherwise not overly afraid of Hyper Voice spam. (Mostly Steel types trying to Sub-stall)

Hydrate (Water)
Say goodbye to the weak Waterfall - now (Mega) Gyarados and Azumarill will be total powerhouses. Mega Swampert in Rain can outrun almost everything and destroy things with its Rain boosted STAB Return. Politoed also gets Rain boosted Hyper Voice.
Politoed was a goddamn monster and almost always either ran Choice Specs without even bothering to be a proper rain team or would frequently stay in and vaporize whatever the enemy's lead was before it switched. In general rain was surprisingly viable, with stuff like Swift Swim Hyper Voice Seismitoad and Ludicolo, Swift Swim Physical attackers, etc running around.

Germinate (Grass)
Poison Heal Breloom gets an insanely strong STAB Façade. Swords Dance Mega Sceptile could be extremely threatening.
Breloom was actually bad and desperately wished it was Fighting/Grass rather than Grass/Fighting. Its Facade was easily walled, and it had to fear a lot more OHKO and its sub-seed sets had to fear Hyper Voice much more often.

One of the only Grass types that really benefited was Ferrothorn no longer fearing a miss on Power Whip.

Generate (Electric)
Eh...no good users
In addition to Jolteon that other people have covered -and it was quite good, thanks to its ridiculous Speed tier- Physical Electric types were, in general, a lot better, and in particular could actually get away with Focus Sash, and Focus Sash was incredibly good in the meta. Pikachu, in addition to Fake Out and Extreme Speed, got Last Resort, and could actually sweep poorly prepared teams with Fake Out+Last Resort. Seriously.

Psychokinate (Psychic)
Mega Gallade now has a strong Psychic STAB to go with Close Combat.
Espeon was actually a fairly impressive Hyper Voice abuser, once you got Steel types out of the way. A gimmicky Mew set was Fake Out+Last Resort. Obviously that was hard-stopped by Dark types, but it was surprisingly threatening. Victini was also kind of interesting, able to run Life Orb V-Create and then use Quick Attack to finish off Focus Sasher or dish out egregious damage to attempted revengers like Mega Aerodactyl.

Refrigerate (Ice)
Mamoswine absolutely wrecks
Actually, it barely benefited. It almost never wanted to run Frustration over stuff like Ice Shard. There were more-or-less no Ice types that actually benefited enough to become viable -out of ones that got Refrigerate, anyway.

Slaviate (Dragon)
A godsend to physical Dragons, as they don't need to use Outrage anymore. (If it hasn't been banned) Kyurem-B loves this.
Regular Kyurem getting Hyper Voice was cool too. A small, flat upgrade.

Tenebrate (Dark)
Weavile gets a really strong STAB if you don't mind giving up Knock Off. Hoopa-U's Return hits insanely hard.
Actually, the thing that set Weavile apart was Dark Fake Out and Dark Quick Attack. It usually still ran Knock Off as a primary attack if it ran a "generic Dark attack" at all. Dark also has an unusually large number of Hyper Voicers (Including the likes of Hydreigon), making its Special game a lot more threatening.

Pixillate (Fairy)
All it really does is give Clefable a stronger STAB.
And gives Togekiss an amazing Special STAB (Hyper Voice) or Hustle Banded Pixispeed (This happened, and was actually decent, among other points used as an answer to Dragonite prior to the ban), lets Sylveon run Cute Charm for free, and dramatically improves Slurpuff's primary STAB. It was actually vaguely usable before ORAS gave it Drain Punch and all!

Plus, Double Edge Magic Guard Life Orb Clefable was a thing, and actually decent.
 

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Regular Kyurem getting Hyper Voice was cool too. A small, flat upgrade.
#NeverForgetZygarde

Actually, I'm Quite sure that ExtremeSpeed Zygarde Got a bit of use, due to it getting to forgo Dragon dance for coil and Outrage for Extremespeed.

EDIT: Also it outclassed a few Dragon type pokemon that didn't get ESpeed.

Even more edits:

#IForgotBarbaracle
Speaking of niche pokemon, Barbaracle is here with a powerful 199 Base power Return [After STAB] and access to both tough claws AND Shell smash... This thing could probably take out a lot of offensive pokemon at +2

+1 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Return vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Landorus-T: 651-766 (204 - 240.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
...Scary to Say The Least...
The problem with barbaracle however, is it's mediocre stats and it's ability to get walled by most Steel and Fighting Types...

+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Conkeldurr: 416-490 (118.5 - 139.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
...Steel Types?

+2 252+ Atk Tough Claws Barbaracle Razor Shell vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Mega Steelix: 288-342 (81.3 - 96.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

Ok Good, Something doesn't die.
 
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This looks like a cool meta, my thoughts:

Regulate (Normal)
Staraptor, Diggersby and Porygon-Z are now incredibly threatening
Gladiate (Fighting)
Guts Conkeldurr with a 182 BP STAB Façade will destroy worlds.
Aerilate (Flying)
Noivern with STAB Boomburst will wreck everything. Tornadus-T can try a Bulk Up set too I guess
Toxicate (Poison)
Nothing OU relevant has Poison as its primary typing
Terrate (Ground)
Landorus-T can take a leaf out of Mega Glalie's book with its nuclear STAB Explosion. Gliscor can abuse a powerful STAB Façade with Poison Heal.
Sedimentiate (Rock)
Godsend on every OU relevant Rock type
Infestate (Bug)
Heracross could do the same as Conkeldurr. Scizor doesn't need Bug Bite anymore. Scolipede doesn't need to risk a miss with Megahorn.
Spectrate (Ghost)
Only OU relevant Ghost is Gengar who can't make use of this ability unless it runs Uproar.
Metallate (Steel)
Mega Metagross will destroy worlds with its 132 power Tough Claws boosted STAB Return. Jirachi will also like having a STAB Body Slam stronger than a STAB Earthquake.

Pyrate (Fire)
Physical Fire types love this, as they now don't have to have Flare Blitz's recoil. Entei and Arcanine now have STAB Extreme Speed; Charizard X gets Tough Claws boosted Return
Hydrate (Water)
Say goodbye to the weak Waterfall - now (Mega) Gyarados and Azumarill will be total powerhouses. Mega Swampert in Rain can outrun almost everything and destroy things with its Rain boosted STAB Return. Politoed also gets Rain boosted Hyper Voice.
Germinate (Grass)
Poison Heal Breloom gets an insanely strong STAB Façade. Swords Dance Mega Sceptile could be extremely threatening.
Generate (Electric)
Eh...no good users
Psychokinate (Psychic)
Mega Gallade now has a strong Psychic STAB to go with Close Combat.
Refrigerate (Ice)
Mamoswine absolutely wrecks
Slaviate (Dragon)
A godsend to physical Dragons, as they don't need to use Outrage anymore. (If it hasn't been banned) Kyurem-B loves this.
Tenebrate (Dark)
Weavile gets a really strong STAB if you don't mind giving up Knock Off. Hoopa-U's Return hits insanely hard.
Pixillate (Fairy)
All it really does is give Clefable a stronger STAB.
Pretty sure the fighting type that got the most use was medicham mega, double edge killed everything.

Sedimentiate (Rock) was pretty common mainly for Quick attack terrakion and double edge aerodactyle, both were extremely good leads. Diancie with explosion saw some use too. Mega aero with tough claws return was pretty dope too.

Pyrate (Fire) I saw a bunch of Charizard X with sd + quick attack, unfortunately belly drum and quick attack are not compatible.

Hydrate (Water) who cares about all the rest when you have the godsend crawdaunt with adaptability double edge.

Psychokinate (Psychic) Explosion azelf was a pretty decent lead.

Also, zygarde isn't completely outclassed by dragonite anymore so I can see it having more use.
And RIP mega aggron for loosing it's main niche, probably still pretty decent but not worth the mega slot.

Also it seems that all of you forgot about based god luxray with guts facade and quick attack.

252 Atk Adaptability Mega Beedrill Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 206-244 (49 - 58%)
And in case you're wondering what the most powerfull attack in the gaim is, 252+ Atk Choice Band Sand Force Landorus Explosion vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon in Sand: 816-961 (194.2 - 228.8%)
 
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Pikachu is actually viable, since it gets both Fake Out and extremespeed, although the two aren't compatible, which is a shame. ESpeed is slightly weaker than Volt Tackle, but far superior otherwise.
Pikachu still easily gets OHKO by faster Pokemons that resist electric type attacks. Entei, Arcanine, Zygarde, and Linoone OHKO Pikachu with Extreme Speed, and are faster than Pikachu. Also, many Life Orb users hit harder than Pikachu.
 

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Pikachu still easily gets OHKO by faster Pokemons that resist electric type attacks. Entei, Arcanine, Zygarde, and Linoone OHKO Pikachu with Extreme Speed, and are faster than Pikachu. Also, many Life Orb users hit harder than Pikachu.
Nice Necro bump m8

However, Pikachu is still a viable option over some of them, with the ability to break a lot of walls thanks to Light Ball like bulky waters such as suicune

252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 284-336 (70.2 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 542-638 (134.1 - 157.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
 
Nice Necro bump m8

However, Pikachu is still a viable option over some of them, with the ability to break a lot of walls thanks to Light Ball like bulky waters such as suicune

252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 284-336 (70.2 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 542-638 (134.1 - 157.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
You did a miscalculation for Pikachu using Return. The damage takes STAB into account, so no need to add the extra power due to STAB. I plugged in 132 as base power for Generate Return.
252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 360-426 (89.1 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

Life Orb Electivire hits harder, and is faster than Pikachu.
252+ Atk Life Orb Electivire Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 390-460 (96.5 - 113.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
 

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You did a miscalculation for Pikachu using Return. The damage takes STAB into account, so no need to add the extra power due to STAB. I plugged in 132 as base power for Generate Return.
252+ Atk Light Ball Pikachu Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 360-426 (89.1 - 105.4%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO

Life Orb Electivire hits harder, and is faster than Pikachu.
252+ Atk Life Orb Electivire Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Suicune: 390-460 (96.5 - 113.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Whoops ._.
 
I got a few suggestions.
If Pokemon is Normal type in combination with another type, the Pokemon gets Regulate, since a Normal Type Pokemon getting an -ate ability other than regulate would defeat the purpose of it's normal typing.
I think a Pokemon should get an -ate ability based on move pool, if the Pokemon has dual typing. I think a Pokemon should get -ate ability based on the type where it has fewer attacking moves for.
Example: Gyarados would get Aerilate since it has way more water type moves than flying type moves.
 

sin(pi)

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I got a few suggestions.
If Pokemon is Normal type in combination with another type, the Pokemon gets Regulate, since a Normal Type Pokemon getting an -ate ability other than regulate would defeat the purpose of it's normal typing.
I think a Pokemon should get an -ate ability based on move pool, if the Pokemon has dual typing. I think a Pokemon should get -ate ability based on the type where it has fewer attacking moves for.
Example: Gyarados would get Aerilate since it has way more water type moves than flying type moves.
That's unnecessarily complicated, the way it currently works is much easier to understand (and probably to code too).
 
That's unnecessarily complicated, the way it currently works is much easier to understand (and probably to code too).
They could write a code for counting the number of attacking moves the Pokemon has for a specific type. Just include moves that are physical or special, and exclude moves like Counter, Mirror Coat, Final Gambit, Dragon Rage, Sonic Boom, Metal Burst, etc.
 

InfernapeTropius11

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They could write a code for counting the number of attacking moves the Pokemon has for a specific type. Just include moves that are physical or special, and exclude moves like Counter, Mirror Coat, Final Gambit, Dragon Rage, Sonic Boom, Metal Burst, etc.
So write an overly complicated code that checks movepool, excluding moves based on subjective judgment, and not taking into account mons that might want to go mixed at all, while confusing anyone who just wants to play the meta? That takes away from the basis of the meta. It's fine the way it is, so it should just be left alone.
 
So write an overly complicated code that checks movepool, excluding moves based on subjective judgment, and not taking into account mons that might want to go mixed at all, while confusing anyone who just wants to play the meta? That takes away from the basis of the meta. It's fine the way it is, so it should just be left alone.
I meant to include both special and physical moves as attacking moves checking move pool, so it'd take account to Pokemons that want to go mixed.
 
Yeah I've got to side with InfernalTropius11 on this one: there's just no need to overly complicate matters. Besides, Gyarados with Hydrate is still very solid - it can use Double-Edge with Intimidate, which hits slightly harder than a STAB Giga Impact.
 

Pikachuun

the entire waruda machine
I got a few suggestions.
If Pokemon is Normal type in combination with another type, the Pokemon gets Regulate, since a Normal Type Pokemon getting an -ate ability other than regulate would defeat the purpose of it's normal typing.
I think a Pokemon should get an -ate ability based on move pool, if the Pokemon has dual typing. I think a Pokemon should get -ate ability based on the type where it has fewer attacking moves for.
Example: Gyarados would get Aerilate since it has way more water type moves than flying type moves.
The meta is fine as it is in terms of mechanics. As mostly everyone said before me, this would make the meta more complicated than it needs to be to understand and code.
 
The meta is fine as it is in terms of mechanics. As mostly everyone said before me, this would make the meta more complicated than it needs to be to understand and code.
Okay then how about dual typing Pokemon get the -ate ability based on their secondary type?
Most Pokemons have more moves for their primary type than their secondary type.

What about what I said about normal type Pokemons.
 

Pikachuun

the entire waruda machine
Okay then how about dual typing Pokemon get the -ate ability based on their secondary type?
Most Pokemons have more moves for their primary type than their secondary type.

What about what I said about normal type Pokemons.
While changing the -ate ability to correspond to your second type isn't complicated to do, I prefer the first type more since it makes the meta a bit easier to understand in terms of single-typed Pokemon (plus there are interactions with Forest Curse/Trick-or-Treat on these Pokemon but not dual-types). It also introduces a neat strategic aspect with megas like Mega-Gardevoir.
Also, normal-type Pokemon are not an issue whatsoever since only 4 Normal-types have Normal as a secondary type; your previous suggestion in this post would make this issue more prevalent but right now it's a non-issue.
 
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The only modification I'd be interested in seeing would be a mechanic for letting a Pokemon choose either of its types, if it has two types. (eg Shiny Pokemon use their second type if they have a second type) It would be nice to see Flying -ates other than Tornadus and Noivern...

Anything else just seems like it's overcomplicating the meta or changing the premise for no clear reason.
 

Pikachuun

the entire waruda machine
The only modification I'd be interested in seeing would be a mechanic for letting a Pokemon choose either of its types, if it has two types. (eg Shiny Pokemon use their second type if they have a second type) It would be nice to see Flying -ates other than Tornadus and Noivern...

Anything else just seems like it's overcomplicating the meta or changing the premise for no clear reason.
This actually doesn't sound like too bad of an idea and seems like a nice compromise between what the meta currently is and the previous suggestion. I'll think about it.
If I were to do this, how would this affect the meta? I'm curious as to what you guys would think about this in terms of new sets and the like.
 
Landorus-T would certainly be a major threat with Aerilate, as its STABs now have almost perfect neutral coverage. Gliscor could resurrect its SD set, with that Aerilate boosted Facade making up for its underwhelming Attack. Weavile could have that strong Ice STAB it always wanted, although it would have to give up Dark type Quick Attack. Overall I think it could be interesting, and I'd be in favour.
 
This actually doesn't sound like too bad of an idea and seems like a nice compromise between what the meta currently is and the previous suggestion. I'll think about it.
If I were to do this, how would this affect the meta? I'm curious as to what you guys would think about this in terms of new sets and the like.
Well, most obviously Landorus-Therian would switch to 132 BP Flying spam, since it already has Earthquake for the opposite end. In general, Flying -ate would suddenly be a thing. Chatot might be viable, even.

Head Smash Tyrantrum appreciates being able to get a powerful Dragon STAB.

Mega Medicham would probably give serious consideration to 132 BP Psychic spam, since it already has High Jump Kick for Fighting.

A decent pool of Pokemon would probably not change their sets at all -Cloyster likes being able to run Water Spike Cannon, and has the superior Icicle Spear for Ice STAB- but there'd be tons of little changes all around, and Flying would become a lot more influential in general.

I suspect the meta would probably trend toward being even more aggressive/HO, as a lot of currently-reliable walls would suddenly have to deal with new-STAB coverage that the old system didn't support -stuff like Gliscor's Swords Dance-backed Facade no longer being hard-stopped by Flying/Levitating Pokemon.

Still, it'd be neat to re-explore the meta in a somewhat new context, and just the fact that Flying would suddenly be reasonably relevant would be a pretty big change.
 

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