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BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THOUGHTS ON HUNTER X HUNTER

I finished it about a week ago (on the 28th) so here are some thoughts on each arc, like I promised.

TL;DR - I really liked it overall, especially the second half. The pacing is very slow in some areas, which is the show's biggest weakness, but it's an enjoyable ride regardless. 8/10.

Spoilers for each arc under the hide tags.

  • Pretty generic stuff, very reminiscent of the Chuunin Exam arc from Naruto. The main purpose of this arc is to introduce the main characters (our main squad of four and Hisoka) and it does a good job at it. Gon vs. Hanzo is easily the strongest point of this arc, though nothing in these first 26 episodes comes close to Rock Lee vs. Gaara (though I'm digressing at this point). This arc does an excellent job of characterizing Gon, and two moments in particular stick out with me: the first is when Killua straight-up rips the heart out of a serial killer and Gon doesn't bat an eye, and the second is when Hisoka takes back his tag and Gon is furious about being so weak. That second moment also does a great job showing how Hisoka is quite the interesting character and is more Chaotic Neutral than anything else. Overall - 8/10

  • Also super generic, but the main purpose of this arc is to introduce Nen as a concept and to hammer its principles into the viewer's brain - and I'll be damned if it didn't hammer those concepts in by the end of this arc. I was a little disappointed by the way they introduced Nen as it just seems like it comes out of nowhere, especially considering how vital it is over the next 100 episodes. They do make some subtle allusions to the existence of Nen during the Hunter Exam, but I felt that there wasn't enough. Add in Hisoka making an off-handed remark about Zetsu after Gon ambushes him, or have the Zoldycks casually discuss some aspect of it. I know that Nen users are forbidden from mentioning it to non-Nen users, but as it is, its introduction in the show felt sloppy.
  • Overall this arc was pretty predictable, but its strong point was showcasing how Hisoka fights and demonstrating just how smart he is. Despite only being 10 episodes, it was still pretty slow and also suffered from the lack of a good B-plot (we get bits and pieces of Kurapika training, I guess). 6.5/10

  • I loved a lot of things about this arc and I hated some others. The Phantom Troupe are generally a joy every time they're on screen and I liked watching the shenanigans they pulled. On the other hand, I despised Kurapika's sudden power-up (it gets me irrationally angry) just because it makes no sense how strong he gets in such a short amount of time. We have a small idea of how strong the Troupe are during this arc, but later on during the Meteor City sub-arc of the Chimera Ant arc, we see that the Troupe are really fucking strong. Chrollo is also potentially one of the 5 strongest people we see over the entire series. The things that Kurapika accomplishes during this arc just flat-out should not be possible regardless of what Nen or his Specialist powers are capable of, so that frustrated me.
  • Rant aside, the Troupe are entertaining as hell to watch, and seeing Hisoka improvise his way out of the fortunetelling scenario was also pretty cool. We also get to see the Zoldycks in action, though they don't do too much. In terms of our MCs, this arc mainly focused on Kurapika, and I've already made it clear that I wasn't a huge fan of his "development". 7.5/10

  • Man, was this really only 17 episodes? It felt a lot slower than the Yorknew City arc, but I guess that's because way more stuff happens in Yorknew than on Greed Island. We get a training montage (which I liked), three episodes dedicated to a dodgeball game, and a couple of wrap-up episodes to deal with the Bombers. My biggest issue with Greed Island is that there's no urgency and that I never feel like Gon and Killua are in any real danger whatsoever, even during the fight against Genthru, where Gon literally sacrifices some of his limbs. In general, the entire first half of the show suffers from this issue: there's no real sense of danger, as the main antagonists are either playing with their food (Hisoka), not interested (Phantom Troupe) or aren't threatening whatsoever (Bombers). 6.5/10


  • This arc is really solid. There are a few major issues that I have with it - it takes a long time to get off the ground, I didn't really care about some of the secondary plots/characters, and there's waaaaaay too much narration during the palace invasion - but the good points of the arc are amazing. There's actual tension because the villains are menacing as fuck; Neferpitou's first scene is fucking incredible right off the bat, for example. The real stars of this arc are Meruem and Komugi, and, like faint said, Meruem does not disappoint in the slightest when it comes to character development and flat-out being a good antagonist. Pouf and Youpi are alright, as well, but I didn't care about them (or most of the other Ants) nearly as much as I did for Pitou, Meruem, and Komugi. Like I mentioned before, episodes 131 and 136 are out of this world and are easily the two best episodes of the show. Side note: 131 in particular (Gon's transformation) is a really interesting tribute/deconstruction of Goku's first Super Saiyan transformation after Krillin's death in DBZ.
  • The show's budget also starts to shine through here with some really well-animated fights, including everything in Meteor City, Gon vs. Pitou, Netero vs. Meruem, and any scene where Killua uses Godspeed. The weak points of this arc that I mentioned in the last paragraph are all very large flaws, but the peaks of this arc are so high that I'm not really too upset about it. 9.5/10

  • The falling action of the show, and as good a way as any to end the anime for the time being. Alluka and Killua had some good interactions, but a lot of people are worried that Alluka's existence is too strong of a plot device for the good guys. We get to see more Hisoka in action (it's a miracle how good the Chimera Ant arc is without ANY Hisoka in it) and Gon finally gets to meet Ging. Pariston is also a really interesting character, with a lot of potential. I don't have much else to say here - this is a really solid, short arc, and its biggest flaw is that it directly follows the Chimera Ant arc. 8/10


other than that, Erased is still quite good and Dagashi Kashi is also really enjoyable every week (as long as Saya keeps getting screentime). also picked up Ping Pong recently but this post is getting long enough as is
Fun read. I enjoy hearing HxH feedback, positive or negative. Interesting thoughts on Greed Island. I get what you mean, though. It's certainly more light-hearted than Yorknew and is more akin to the Hunter Exam arc than any other arc.

Even when Gon blows off his limbs it's as though he doesn't even care.

Also, the power of certain characters is directly related to how strong their condition is. That's why Kurapika is flat out OP against any Troupe member, and why Gon basically killed himself when facing Pitou.
 

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What are everyone's thoughts on Ajin? I personally think its one of the best things on the current season and am kinda surprised by the lack of discussion on it tbh.
 

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tfw you fall asleep while trying to study and listen to Komm, Süsser Tod at the same time and really do wish you could turn back time


e: and the guilt really is all mine ;-;

I've been thinking some about EoE and I've completely changed my mind (7 -> 10) --it really is a master piece of a movie, and I think when I first watched it my mind was clouded by the horrors of the actual end of Neon Genesis Evangelion. In retrospect, End of Evangelion truly is a movie that does its job perfectly--to quote Gangnam Style - making one "feel truly empty".

And it's due in large part to the fantastic soundtrack, which outpaces even the original series' in its utter sense of scale and hopelessness.

The live-action segment was superbly well done, and I think Anno used Shinji's (admittedly flawed) character to the fullest here--despite my initial reservations regarding the masturbation scene looking back I realise it was a good shocker of a start to a movie where literally everyone is fucked up except like that one girl with the brown bob hair cut.


e5 or smth: Basically, everything I didn't like about the movie the first time through was actually good and I just wasn't taking it seriously, since I had just finished with the series' atrocious second half beforehand and was already in a crabby mood
 
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What are everyone's thoughts on Ajin? I personally think its one of the best things on the current season and am kinda surprised by the lack of discussion on it tbh.
I almost dropped it after the first couple of episodes, but it's shaping up really good now! Very similar to Parasyte in more than just thematics.
 

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Just watched this and I'm almost kind of sad it's as short as it is. This is one of the few times where 12 episodes really isn't enough. Good slice of lifey thing but it just... skips a lot of its character development in a time skip. Not bad fundamentally or anything but I really wish that it went longer / into more detail or something.

Also I can see why Exeggutor thought it was fujoshi bait lol
 

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I finished re watching madoka magica earlier and I agree with Jebus McAzn that it is better on the second watch. Even once you know what's gonna happen, the tone feels overall darker on the second watch for some reason and it reminded me why I love the series so much.
 

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I disagree with madoka being better on the second watch.

There were certain things about madoka that were absolutely better the second time. As a rule, the first time you watch a show is when you're more emotionally invested, but on a rewatch it's easier to appreciate the details, and this 100% holds true for Madoka. The interactions between the characters in many parts, the absolutely brilliant exposition, and just taking the time to gape at the beautiful animation and fantastic soundtrack were all improvements from my second watch. Also, Sayaka became a much more relatable character on the second watch and went from "kind of a bitch" to "probably my favorite character." But knowing how it ends takes away so much from the experience. The first time I watched it, I was holding my breath each time Madoka talked to Kyubey. I literally cheered when Homura pumped him full of lead in episode 8, because of the sudden release of overwhelming fear. At the end of every episode, I would take like a 20-minute break to just wallow in the despair and think "how the hell could this show have a happy ending?" I couldn't believe that Mami was actually dead until her body fell from Charlotte's mouth. And the tension in the final fight with Walpurgisnacht, oh my god, it was insane. Knowing how everything happened, all these feelings were extremely muted the second time. I would absolutely recommend that people rewatch madoka, because you get to appreciate it in new and different ways. But as opposed to some other shows which 100% improve on rewatch (Nagi no Asukara), Madoka heavily relies on the viewer not knowing what comes next in order to deliver its emotional "punch," so I think I probably enjoyed it better the first time around. What I wouldn't give to wipe my memory of the plot and rewatch it though, lol, it was such a grand experience.

You also notice the flaws of the show more the second time around, like that Kyoko's shift between episodes 7 and 8 seems pretty forced, and that episode 12 could be half as long without losing literally anything of value
 

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I disagree with madoka being better on the second watch.

There were certain things about madoka that were absolutely better the second time. As a rule, the first time you watch a show is when you're more emotionally invested, but on a rewatch it's easier to appreciate the details, and this 100% holds true for Madoka. The interactions between the characters in many parts, the absolutely brilliant exposition, and just taking the time to gape at the beautiful animation and fantastic soundtrack were all improvements from my second watch. Also, Sayaka became a much more relatable character on the second watch and went from "kind of a bitch" to "probably my favorite character." But knowing how it ends takes away so much from the experience. The first time I watched it, I was holding my breath each time Madoka talked to Kyubey. I literally cheered when Homura pumped him full of lead in episode 8, because of the sudden release of overwhelming fear. At the end of every episode, I would take like a 20-minute break to just wallow in the despair and think "how the hell could this show have a happy ending?" I couldn't believe that Mami was actually dead until her body fell from Charlotte's mouth. And the tension in the final fight with Walpurgisnacht, oh my god, it was insane. Knowing how everything happened, all these feelings were extremely muted the second time. I would absolutely recommend that people rewatch madoka, because you get to appreciate it in new and different ways. But as opposed to some other shows which 100% improve on rewatch (Nagi no Asukara), Madoka heavily relies on the viewer not knowing what comes next in order to deliver its emotional "punch," so I think I probably enjoyed it better the first time around. What I wouldn't give to wipe my memory of the plot and rewatch it though, lol, it was such a grand experience.

You also notice the flaws of the show more the second time around, like that Kyoko's shift between episodes 7 and 8 seems pretty forced, and that episode 12 could be half as long without losing literally anything of value
I agree with you on a lot of this. However, I think that a lot of how you experience the re-watch is dependent on the time gap between your first and second watch and generally how good your memory is.
My memory isn't very good in general, and it had been around three-ish months since I first watched it. This meant that I only had a memory of the most notable/jarring pounts of the show (namely Mami's death, Miki turning into a witch and Madoka becoming a god at the end (but not what her wish was)), so I was going in with a mostly cleansed pallete. However, I could follow what was going on and appreciate the little details (OST, aesthetic, stylisation etc.) much better (maybe in part due to me being a little better at following subs without detracting my attention from what's going on, but mostly because I remembered it as it happened on screen), and this simulated lack of knowledge meant that I picked up on a lot that I didn't the first time without actually losing much from the first watch, and ended up getting a better experience overall as a result. Of course, it is dependent on the viewer/timing, so I can see why you prefered the first watch.
 

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Can't remember if I ever posted about it here, but SWE's SAO Abridged series is pretty damn good and Part 9 came out today. Linky to Part 1. If it doesn't immediately stand out from other abridged's, give it three episodes.
i started watching from episode 5 (not worth explaining why) and it had me in stitches. Definitely worth your time.
 

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Im still loving She and Her Cat: -Everything Flows- after ep 2. Its definitely a realy nice short, and imo the closest thing to perfection you can get in such a short space of time. Completely and utterly relaxing, and definitely worth 7 minutes a week. Honestly its a pity that it's only gonna be four episodes long :(
 
Stratos not that i disagree with you, but i think you've pointed out flaws that hold true for literally any show on a rewatch. none of them are going to recreate the magic of watching through the show for the first time with no idea what happens next, but shows with high rewatch potential enrich the experience in other ways. take toradora, for example - being able to scrutinize everyone's actions (particularly minori's and ami's) the second time through adds a lot to the show and allows you to appreciate it in a different way

but yeah, i was wrong; i take back what i said about it being better on the second watch (i don't think there's a single piece of media that you can honestly say that about) but i will say that madoka is a show that you can consume in a very different way after watching it once
 

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SAO Abridged is like DBZ Abridged in that its characters are surprisingly complex, making it easy to get invested even if you don't find it laugh-out-loud funny all of the time (though it is pretty funny). It's totally worth watching even if you've never seen the source.
 
Hi just finished watching Bokurano strongly reccomnded it, do not watch if depressed or at risk of psychosis anybody got anti-depressants and a shrink I need some of that right now
 

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Anything that is really worth experiencing is going to be better the second time, because looking at something as just occupying and passing the time that it runs for is a really shallow way to enjoy art. Surprise value is overrated. I want things that enrich my life, that I have to ponder about for days, weeks, months, further extending my enjoyment beyond one viewing. And I can do that while rewatching it and picking up on details I didn't the first time. Some things are definitely great just once, but it's crazy to say that nothing is better on a second viewing. Hell, isn't that why so many say that something can't be considered a classic or "best ever" if it hasn't been around for a bit?
 

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Seeing how we're talking about re-watch value, I'm gonna comment on it in the mystery genre.

I feel like the perfect example of a show which you can't watch twice is Rokka no Yuusha. I watched it a while ago and I think that its appeal is almost entirely dependent on the viewer not knowing who the seventh rose (mb if I misremembered what they are called) is, because it simply has very little that can be picked up on after you know who it was and how they did it. It's a good whodunnit on the first watch, but I feel that it lacks the depth for a re-watch like, say, an Agatha Christie book does when re-reading it. This directly contrasts with a lot of stuff which I have/am re-watching, such as Madoka, Toradora, Pokémon movie 1 and [insert Ghibli film here] (there is even a case for NGNL and Inazuma Eleven having good (or at least decent) re-watch value).

I think that re-watch value is something which the mystery genre will always either excell at or fall flat with. To contrast something with Rokka, which falls flat on this frobt, ERASED as a series has--for the most part--proven to get better the more times you watch what has been released so-far. You pick up on things such as the links that are made between episodes (e.g. speech linking the first episode and the seventh episode ("you can get to Ueno without changing trains")), the opening foreshadowing the events of episode ten, the sheer depth of scenes such as the park scene in episode two and the breakfast scene in episode eight, the immense amount of symbolism used in the OP/ED and a number of episodes, and the writer making the killer deliberately obvious so as to emphasise Satoru's stupidity and ignorance (which suggests that he never really grew up properly and is ultimately a somewhat immature man) and the general intelligence and intuition of the killer (this deliberate obviousness is something which I didn't pick up on in the manga or on my first watch of episode ten, but rather when I watched the series through from the recap episode to the tenth episode yesterday to prevent myself from forgetting the story so far). As much as I like mystery and Rokka no Yuusha, the sheer contrast in re-watch value is a pretty big flaw in the genre as a whole.

I guess this post will double up as my weekly mandatory praise of Boku Dake ga Inai Machi rofl. I never intended to write about it when I started this post, but I couldn't help myself o(^_^)o
 
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I agree about the rewatch value of Rokka no Yuusha. In fact, I think it gets worse after the second time because centain things just feel wierd like the shipping between Adled and Fremi. I feel that in the light novel, the Adlet being in love with her was better handed because it didn't feel forced and was forshadowed.
 

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Stratos not that i disagree with you, but i think you've pointed out flaws that hold true for literally any show on a rewatch. none of them are going to recreate the magic of watching through the show for the first time with no idea what happens next, but shows with high rewatch potential enrich the experience in other ways. take toradora, for example - being able to scrutinize everyone's actions (particularly minori's and ami's) the second time through adds a lot to the show and allows you to appreciate it in a different way

but yeah, i was wrong; i take back what i said about it being better on the second watch (i don't think there's a single piece of media that you can honestly say that about) but i will say that madoka is a show that you can consume in a very different way after watching it once
Anything that is really worth experiencing is going to be better the second time, because looking at something as just occupying and passing the time that it runs for is a really shallow way to enjoy art. Surprise value is overrated. I want things that enrich my life, that I have to ponder about for days, weeks, months, further extending my enjoyment beyond one viewing. And I can do that while rewatching it and picking up on details I didn't the first time. Some things are definitely great just once, but it's crazy to say that nothing is better on a second viewing. Hell, isn't that why so many say that something can't be considered a classic or "best ever" if it hasn't been around for a bit?
jesus you guys are takin polar extremes on this issue. there are some great works which are better the first time, and some which are better the second time.
 

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I just started watching Shinsekai yori (From the New World) and am two episodes in. I heard that it was a lot like Madoka in the way the story is told and it has good reviews so I decided to check it out, and the first two episodes have left me feeling a little confused. I'm gonna give some minor spoilers if you've not seen it yet, so bear with me, but there shouldn't be anything major due to it having only been two episodes and not much having really happened, so I won't bother to put hide tags as I highly doubt anything I say could possibly impact the viewing if you ever watch it.

They both started with these distopian sequences where the camera kept blurring in and out (if I'm honest it gave me a bit of a headache), and there was an event which involved people dying as a result of telekinetic powers in both cases (the first due to overwhelming telekinetic power, the second due to pyrokinesis), and then it gets into a slightly off middle school/slice of life-ish sort of thing for the rest of the episode. I'm struggling to follow what exactly is going on. I'll probably get a better grip on it after a few more episodes, and there have already been two disappearances of kids who have cheated at games (the kid who kicked the table during the card pyramid exercise and the kid who stopped the opponent's pushers in the game with the ball). I feel like I'm in for a good ride once I can get my head around it all, and I will probably comment on it again, but until I know a little more about these sequences at the start of each episode and what the hell is going on with the kids disappearing I'll probably continue to be really confused.

As an aside, the ED reminds me a lot of Sore wa Chiisana Hikari no Youna from ERASED with its art style and use of accoustic guitar.
 

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I just started watching Shinsekai yori (From the New World) and am two episodes in. I heard that it was a lot like Madoka in the way the story is told and it has good reviews so I decided to check it out, and the first two episodes have left me feeling a little confused. I'm gonna give some minor spoilers if you've not seen it yet, so bear with me, but there shouldn't be anything major due to it having only been two episodes and not much having really happened, so I won't bother to put hide tags as I highly doubt anything I say could possibly impact the viewing if you ever watch it.

They both started with these distopian sequences where the camera kept blurring in and out (if I'm honest it gave me a bit of a headache), and there was an event which involved people dying as a result of telekinetic powers in both cases (the first due to overwhelming telekinetic power, the second due to pyrokinesis), and then it gets into a slightly off middle school/slice of life-ish sort of thing for the rest of the episode. I'm struggling to follow what exactly is going on. I'll probably get a better grip on it after a few more episodes, and there have already been two disappearances of kids who have cheated at games (the kid who kicked the table during the card pyramid exercise and the kid who stopped the opponent's pushers in the game with the ball). I feel like I'm in for a good ride once I can get my head around it all, and I will probably comment on it again, but until I know a little more about these sequences at the start of each episode and what the hell is going on with the kids disappearing I'll probably continue to be really confused.

As an aside, the ED reminds me a lot of Sore wa Chiisana Hikari no Youna from ERASED with its art style and use of accoustic guitar.
the story has some big fat exposition dumps that will explain anything that makes you confused (episode 4 is the first one) but honestly I love the mystery horror elements of the first few episodes and tryin to piece together my own theories in the meantime. If the mystery stuff isnt for you, dont worry, shinsekai yori keeps a lot of balls in the air at any given time so theres certainly going to be something for you to like. I want to avoid spoilers so I'll cut myself off here but shinsekai yori is definitely one of my favorites and has a lot worth talking about
 

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the 2nd ending of shinsekai yori is better than the 1st one
 
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