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Project ORAS NU Theorymons
- Thread starter Shadestep
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Mismagius and Pyroar.
Nomination: Levitate Probopass
It makes sense flavour wise, since it, you know, hovers. With Levitate, it would lose its X4 Ground weakness, and it would give it the ability to counter Tauros. It could also counter Steelix and Rhydon too. In fact it could wall just about every Ground type, barring Torterra and Gastrodon.
Nomination: Levitate Probopass
It makes sense flavour wise, since it, you know, hovers. With Levitate, it would lose its X4 Ground weakness, and it would give it the ability to counter Tauros. It could also counter Steelix and Rhydon too. In fact it could wall just about every Ground type, barring Torterra and Gastrodon.
Mismagius + Fairy type
Rhydon + Head Smash
Rhydon + Head Smash
Shadestep is letting me take over this thread for the time being. I'll update the winners archive and try and get the tournament organised some time before Sun/Moon. I'll probably just continue this thread as there'll only be a few more weeks left and there's no point in having a new thread in that case. Make sure to nominate your own theorymons and I'll include them if they're cool. Here's some new theorymons for this week! Voting will start on Wednesday 21st September at 12:00 GMTish.
Oh, and you can now challenge your friends to NU Theorymons at http://numetas-quitequiet.rhcloud.com-80.psim.us/. You can either pick a metagame with just the winners or one with all the slate entries.
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Probopass: Neat upgrade that gives it a solid jump in viability. Its Fighting weakness is still there, but hey, not everything's perfect.
Klinklang: Uses several of the tier's Ground-types as set-up fodder. Could be dangerous if played into the right hands. You still can't do jack shit to other Steel-types though.
Fearow: I thought it was Dodrio people were requesting to get the Reckless ability as a theorymon, but Fearow should suffice. Drill Run allows it to hit several Pokemon that other Pokemon that are similar to it can't bother to hit. If I really wanted a physical Flying-type attacker though I'd still go with Scyther or even Guts Swellow.
Wigglytuff: Priority T-Wave, Stealth Rock, and a good HP stat. Unforunately, low defenses. Either way, you COULD utilize it as a poor man's Mega Audino, but nothing I'd see use for personally. Still though, great utility mon.
Speaking of Prankster mons:
I'll submit Prankster Glalie for an upcoming ballot. Gets Spikes AND Taunt. At least it doesn't get the tools that RU Froslass possessed that made it very broken. (IE: Destiny Bond, the ability to spinblock in addition to setting hazards etc.)
(I'd also want to see some of my older submissions come into fruition before Sun and Moon comes around, such as Oblivious Smeargle and Extremespeed Stoutland)
Klinklang: Uses several of the tier's Ground-types as set-up fodder. Could be dangerous if played into the right hands. You still can't do jack shit to other Steel-types though.
Fearow: I thought it was Dodrio people were requesting to get the Reckless ability as a theorymon, but Fearow should suffice. Drill Run allows it to hit several Pokemon that other Pokemon that are similar to it can't bother to hit. If I really wanted a physical Flying-type attacker though I'd still go with Scyther or even Guts Swellow.
Wigglytuff: Priority T-Wave, Stealth Rock, and a good HP stat. Unforunately, low defenses. Either way, you COULD utilize it as a poor man's Mega Audino, but nothing I'd see use for personally. Still though, great utility mon.
Speaking of Prankster mons:
I'll submit Prankster Glalie for an upcoming ballot. Gets Spikes AND Taunt. At least it doesn't get the tools that RU Froslass possessed that made it very broken. (IE: Destiny Bond, the ability to spinblock in addition to setting hazards etc.)
(I'd also want to see some of my older submissions come into fruition before Sun and Moon comes around, such as Oblivious Smeargle and Extremespeed Stoutland)
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Updated the OP with an updated archive of legal theorymons for the challenge server!
Also let me know if you're interested in doing a new banner for the thread.
Week 1 winners
1. Arbok + Dark-type
2. Mantine + Roost
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Week 2 winners
1. Sliggoo + Dragon Tail
2. Claydol + Recover
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Week 3 winners
1. Skuntank + Guts
2. Regirock + Solid Rock
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Week 4 winners
1. Rotom-fan + Roost
2. Poliwrath + Close Combat & Drain Punch
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Week 5 winners
1. Piloswine + Slack Off
2. Primeape + Knock Off
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Week 6 winners
1. Haunter + Nasty Plot
2. Floatzel + Analytic
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Week 7 winners
1. Sandslash + Mold Breaker
2. Lapras + Regenerator
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Week 8 winners
1. Ampharos + Tail Glow
2. Klinklang + Earthquake
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Week 9 winners
1. Articuno + Gale Wings
2. Vileplume + Toxic Spikes + Spore
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Week 10 winners
1. Lanturn + Wish
2. Dodrio + Reckless
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Week 11 winners
1. Pinsir + Fighting-type
2. Lapras + Lightning Rod
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Week 12 winners
1. Stunfisk + Volt Switch
2. Marowak + Sucker Punch
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Week 13 winners
1. Combusken + Close Combat
2. Samurott + Calm Mind
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Week 14 winners
1. Scyther + Superpower
2. Garbodor + Slack Off
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Week 15 winners
1. Torterra + Thick Fat
2. Mr. Mime + Moonblast
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Week 16 winners
1. Pyroar + Base 109 Atk + Flare Blitz
2. Mismagius + Fairy-type
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1. Arbok + Dark-type
2. Mantine + Roost
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Week 2 winners
1. Sliggoo + Dragon Tail
2. Claydol + Recover
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Week 3 winners
1. Skuntank + Guts
2. Regirock + Solid Rock
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Week 4 winners
1. Rotom-fan + Roost
2. Poliwrath + Close Combat & Drain Punch
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Week 5 winners
1. Piloswine + Slack Off
2. Primeape + Knock Off
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Week 6 winners
1. Haunter + Nasty Plot
2. Floatzel + Analytic
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Week 7 winners
1. Sandslash + Mold Breaker
2. Lapras + Regenerator
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Week 8 winners
1. Ampharos + Tail Glow
2. Klinklang + Earthquake
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Week 9 winners
1. Articuno + Gale Wings
2. Vileplume + Toxic Spikes + Spore
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Week 10 winners
1. Lanturn + Wish
2. Dodrio + Reckless
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Week 11 winners
1. Pinsir + Fighting-type
2. Lapras + Lightning Rod
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Week 12 winners
1. Stunfisk + Volt Switch
2. Marowak + Sucker Punch
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Week 13 winners
1. Combusken + Close Combat
2. Samurott + Calm Mind
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Week 14 winners
1. Scyther + Superpower
2. Garbodor + Slack Off
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Week 15 winners
1. Torterra + Thick Fat
2. Mr. Mime + Moonblast
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Week 16 winners
1. Pyroar + Base 109 Atk + Flare Blitz
2. Mismagius + Fairy-type
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Also let me know if you're interested in doing a new banner for the thread.
Levitatng Probopass
Makes sense and would help a lot. It's Earthquake/Earth Power weakness is so crippling, a regular Beedrill can beat it if Sturdy's broken, and I'm not even joking. This helps Probo wall Ground-types and relieve it of a weakness.
Levitating Klingklang
I can see this being used interchangeably with Clear Body. Levitate makes it a nice switch-in to Ground-types and can allow it to set up, but in return is now susceptible to Intimidate and random Attack drops from switching into Mawile's (or to a lesser extent, Purugly's) Play Rough.
Reckless Fearow with Brave Bird
It's a slower, and weaker Dodrio with a way to beat Rock, Electric, and Steel-types. Pretty good.
As a side note, the Pokemon named FEARow can't learn BRAVE Bird. Not sure if ironic or clever.
Prankster Wigglytuff
Prankster Yellow Color
Prankster Stealth Rocks
Prankster Toxic
Prankster Heal Bell
Prankster Weather
Prankster Screens
Prankster Misty Terrain
PRANKSTER WISH.
All of that AND massive HP with decent bulk? Sign. Me. Up. A nice Wish Passer with monster HP, and can use all of the other moves above quite well. Also, it can actually use Misty Terrain well, which makes me happy.
My nom: Sheer Force Purugly
With lackluster Atk, but good speed, and some moves that can take advantage of Sheer Force (Body Slam, Play Rough, Iron Tail, a bunch of special moves you'll never use), Purugly can really benefit from Sheer Force. It only has 3 less Attack than Nidoking's Special Attack, and we all know how powerful Nidoking is. Just put that into Purugly.
Makes sense and would help a lot. It's Earthquake/Earth Power weakness is so crippling, a regular Beedrill can beat it if Sturdy's broken, and I'm not even joking. This helps Probo wall Ground-types and relieve it of a weakness.
Levitating Klingklang
I can see this being used interchangeably with Clear Body. Levitate makes it a nice switch-in to Ground-types and can allow it to set up, but in return is now susceptible to Intimidate and random Attack drops from switching into Mawile's (or to a lesser extent, Purugly's) Play Rough.
Reckless Fearow with Brave Bird
It's a slower, and weaker Dodrio with a way to beat Rock, Electric, and Steel-types. Pretty good.
As a side note, the Pokemon named FEARow can't learn BRAVE Bird. Not sure if ironic or clever.
Prankster Wigglytuff
Prankster Yellow Color
Prankster Stealth Rocks
Prankster Toxic
Prankster Heal Bell
Prankster Weather
Prankster Screens
Prankster Misty Terrain
PRANKSTER WISH.
All of that AND massive HP with decent bulk? Sign. Me. Up. A nice Wish Passer with monster HP, and can use all of the other moves above quite well. Also, it can actually use Misty Terrain well, which makes me happy.
My nom: Sheer Force Purugly
With lackluster Atk, but good speed, and some moves that can take advantage of Sheer Force (Body Slam, Play Rough, Iron Tail, a bunch of special moves you'll never use), Purugly can really benefit from Sheer Force. It only has 3 less Attack than Nidoking's Special Attack, and we all know how powerful Nidoking is. Just put that into Purugly.
Okay, voting starts now! Please vote for your two favorite theorymons.
I'd also like to announce that I'll hold a room tour on Friday 23rd September at 9:00 GMT, and depending on how many people we get, every Friday thereafter until Sun/Moon starts. Voting will end after the tour is concluded.
+ Levitate
+ Levitate
+ Reckless + Brave Bird
+ Prankster
I'd also like to announce that I'll hold a room tour on Friday 23rd September at 9:00 GMT, and depending on how many people we get, every Friday thereafter until Sun/Moon starts. Voting will end after the tour is concluded.
Take Azelfie
More flags more fun
Tuff + Gears
submission: Murkrow + Parting Shot
submission: Murkrow + Parting Shot
Probopass + Wigglytuff
same
Yep
Probopass and Wigglytuff
Week 17 winners
1. Shadestep + Super-Toughness
2. Earth + Community Contributor (via Succing)
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Anyway, I'm voting for Probopass and Wigglytuff.
I'd like to nominate Unaware (or Prankster) Clefairy. This would give Clefairy other niches and that would be really nice IMO, seeing as how Clefairy is underrated despite being a pretty cool Pokemon.
Apologies everyone but the room tour was cancelled due to server issues. However, we did all challenge each other and have a fun time so thanks everyone who turned up! Replays are also broken so while there's no evidence for this I'm sure Quite Quiet, Shadestep, cyanize, MARCU5theBAW5, Blast, Based Sexy Pants, cryalot and others can vouch for me ;) Anyway here's the new slate for this week.
Malamar + Psycho Boost
Regice + Electric-type
Weezing + Gunk Shot
Noctowl + Boomburst
Phione + Eviolite
Luxray + Dark-type + Strong Jaw
You have until Wednesday 28th September at 12:00 GMT to discuss things. Starting now we'll also do one suspect test a week, so feel free to discuss potential suspects here too and we can ban them if they get enough votes. Make sure you actually play the tier before posting about banning something. Also post cool creative sets for the meta if you want! Wigglytuff is my favorite mon in the new meta and I thoroughly enjoyed using this set to disrupt people's teams.
Wigglytuff @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Disable
- Thunder Wave
- Dazzling Gleam
Wigglytuff can pass huge wishes with its HP stat, and Disable can be used over Protect in some cases to get the healing for yourself or just to disrupt other threats, particularly Choice item users. Thunder Wave basically shuts down any sweeper without an Electric-immunity or typing so that a wallbreaker can clean up, and Dazzling Gleam attempts to stop Wigglytuff from being Taunt-bait.
Also can QQ fix Guts Skuntank so that Pursuit, Defog, and Crunch aren't illegal._.
You have until Wednesday 28th September at 12:00 GMT to discuss things. Starting now we'll also do one suspect test a week, so feel free to discuss potential suspects here too and we can ban them if they get enough votes. Make sure you actually play the tier before posting about banning something. Also post cool creative sets for the meta if you want! Wigglytuff is my favorite mon in the new meta and I thoroughly enjoyed using this set to disrupt people's teams.
Wigglytuff @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Bold Nature
- Wish
- Disable
- Thunder Wave
- Dazzling Gleam
Wigglytuff can pass huge wishes with its HP stat, and Disable can be used over Protect in some cases to get the healing for yourself or just to disrupt other threats, particularly Choice item users. Thunder Wave basically shuts down any sweeper without an Electric-immunity or typing so that a wallbreaker can clean up, and Dazzling Gleam attempts to stop Wigglytuff from being Taunt-bait.
Also can QQ fix Guts Skuntank so that Pursuit, Defog, and Crunch aren't illegal._
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Psycho Boost Malamar
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SPECIAL MALAMAR IS GOOD ALL OF THE SUDDEN.
This would make Malamar more unpredictable, as physical Malamar is still very good. Malamar does get nice moves in FLAMETHROWER and Thunderbolt, so this can really help Mar
Ice/Electric Regice
Add Volt Switch, and this becomes Rotom-Frost's cousin that can't burn things. Could be interesting, since it give STAB to TBoltand Zap Cannon, but gives it a nasty Ground weakness
Gunk Shot Weezing
A strong move that hits off of Weezing's better Attack and has the same chance to Poison as Sludge Bomb. The lower accuracy and making Flamethrower less useful is iffy though.
Boomburst Noctowl
Weaker Chatot with Psychic and Ghost coverage
I'd MUCH rather have Magic Guard on it
Phione with Eviolite eligibility
Makes Phione a really bulky Water-type that loves the rain (and we all know how good rain is in NU, ask Ludicolo or Liepard). Too bad Knock Off exists
Strong Jaw Electric/Dark Luxray
Strong Jaw STAB Crunch
Strong Jaw Ice Fang
Strong Jaw STAB Thunder Fang
You. Don't. Understand. How. Useful. This. Is....
I mean the Ground and Fighting weaknesses + low speed still hurt it, but Luxray suddenly became REALLY appealing. If it got Sucker Punch, this would be Luxray heaven.
My nomination: Re-nominating Magic Guard/Magic Bounce Linoone
Metal Gear (Klinklang) @ Life Orb
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Gear Grind
- Earthquake
- Return
- Shift Gear
Klingklang is busted.
If and when it sets up, it very well could be gg for the opponent (erisia, you can attest to this) since Shift Gear is such a good move and the EQ coverage means that Fire and Steel-types can't stop it anymore. Plus, it checks Smogon Bird Cuno, which is definitely nice.
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SPECIAL MALAMAR IS GOOD ALL OF THE SUDDEN.
This would make Malamar more unpredictable, as physical Malamar is still very good. Malamar does get nice moves in FLAMETHROWER and Thunderbolt, so this can really help Mar
Ice/Electric Regice
Add Volt Switch, and this becomes Rotom-Frost's cousin that can't burn things. Could be interesting, since it give STAB to TBolt
Gunk Shot Weezing
A strong move that hits off of Weezing's better Attack and has the same chance to Poison as Sludge Bomb. The lower accuracy and making Flamethrower less useful is iffy though.
Boomburst Noctowl
Weaker Chatot with Psychic and Ghost coverage
I'd MUCH rather have Magic Guard on it
Phione with Eviolite eligibility
Makes Phione a really bulky Water-type that loves the rain (and we all know how good rain is in NU, ask Ludicolo or Liepard). Too bad Knock Off exists
Strong Jaw Electric/Dark Luxray
Strong Jaw STAB Crunch
Strong Jaw Ice Fang
Strong Jaw STAB Thunder Fang
You. Don't. Understand. How. Useful. This. Is....
I mean the Ground and Fighting weaknesses + low speed still hurt it, but Luxray suddenly became REALLY appealing. If it got Sucker Punch, this would be Luxray heaven.
My nomination: Re-nominating Magic Guard/Magic Bounce Linoone
Metal Gear (Klinklang) @ Life Orb
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Gear Grind
- Earthquake
- Return
- Shift Gear
Klingklang is busted.
If and when it sets up, it very well could be gg for the opponent (erisia, you can attest to this) since Shift Gear is such a good move and the EQ coverage means that Fire and Steel-types can't stop it anymore. Plus, it checks Smogon Bird Cuno, which is definitely nice.
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ahhh my post got deleted so I'll just make it short
Yoshiblaze boomburst noctowl gets tinted lens, 2hkos regirock after rocks. super broken, don't sleep
all these noms currently on slate are p cool but i like noctowl, malamar, and phione the best
nomming serene grace swanna, 60% burn scald and 60% confuse hurricane are "fun". also, swans are pretty serene and/or graceful.
more on the noms later n_n
Yoshiblaze boomburst noctowl gets tinted lens, 2hkos regirock after rocks. super broken, don't sleep
all these noms currently on slate are p cool but i like noctowl, malamar, and phione the best
nomming serene grace swanna, 60% burn scald and 60% confuse hurricane are "fun". also, swans are pretty serene and/or graceful.
offensive cuno @ life orb with stab, hp fighting, and roost is broken. i'll def vote to ban this first.
sdef cuno @ lefties with hurricane/sub/tox/roost is pretty cool, and messes up bulky teams.
restalk cm scald samurott is fun. basically like nu suicune
dark arbok is also super fun.
recover claydol means it can actualy run defensive now since it isn't pressured as much.
fighting pinsir is busted af, it's basically just sawk with a bug typing.
plume didn't get anything significant but is actually p gdlk in this meta, stops pinsir, wiggly, regirock, sandslash, klinklang, darkbok, and p much everything not named specs probopass (s/o erisia) or cuno/lapras.
probopass is also really cool and is like one of two stops to klinklang.
wigglytuff is annoying af
sandslash still sucks
mismagius is pretty cool but i haven't used it yet
anyone who wants to play should seriously go on the server
sdef cuno @ lefties with hurricane/sub/tox/roost is pretty cool, and messes up bulky teams.
restalk cm scald samurott is fun. basically like nu suicune
dark arbok is also super fun.
recover claydol means it can actualy run defensive now since it isn't pressured as much.
fighting pinsir is busted af, it's basically just sawk with a bug typing.
plume didn't get anything significant but is actually p gdlk in this meta, stops pinsir, wiggly, regirock, sandslash, klinklang, darkbok, and p much everything not named specs probopass (s/o erisia) or cuno/lapras.
probopass is also really cool and is like one of two stops to klinklang.
wigglytuff is annoying af
sandslash still sucks
mismagius is pretty cool but i haven't used it yet
anyone who wants to play should seriously go on the server
more on the noms later n_n
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