I don't this would be good enough to be submitted, since it would basically make one Pokémon being used over and over again even more, and will bring nothing new except of letting us know what one Pokémon can do in general.
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I don't know if these already exist, but...
PLUSMONS
Metagame premise: Each team now consists of 7 pokémons, each pokémon can "dual wield", have 2 abilities and 5 moves. The megaevolution will delete the secondary ability (e.g. on alakazam Synchronize>Inner Focus>Magic Guard) or the primary if shiny (e.g. on shiny alakazam Synchronize<Inner Focus<Magic Guard).
Potential Bans and Threats: I'm not very good at thorymoning, but I think that pokémon with an huge movepool and/or very good abilities (e.g. Scrappy Megakanghaskhan) can be broken. Also, double item clause that don't let you to have 2 of the same item (sorry marorwack-alola). Surely megas and Z-moves will be fine. And poison-types can get +1/8 max life every turn, while poison heal obtaining +3/16.
Questions for the community: Should it be an Uber or OU meta? And also, Should Combos like life orb+choice item or choice item+choice item be banned?
P.S.: a fun-fact: a leech-seeding on a 252hp chansey 0hp brellom with poison heal, lefties, tricked lefties, aqua ring, ingrain and smacked down on grassy terrain can get 188 hp/turn, so 94/115
NICEMONS
Metagame premise: You can "merge" 2 pokémons into 1 by using nicknames. The type can be selected like in https://github.com/XpRienzo/DragonHeaven/blob/master/mods/franticfusions/README.md Frantic Fusions but the stats are calculated differently: your pokémon will have the better stats can have. (e.g. Pheromonsa*Xurkitree would have 83/137/71/173/71/151 BS) You would get all the moves and the ability that the old pokémons could have.
Potential bans and threats: just said that I'm not so good at thorymonning, I'll Think smeargle, chansey, shuckle, Kyurem-b, and I think UBs (and all others unequilibrated pokémons)
Questions for the community: Should it be an Uber or OU meta? And how must the eviolite work?
PLUSMONS
Metagame premise: Each team now consists of 7 pokémons, each pokémon can "dual wield", have 2 abilities and 5 moves. The megaevolution will delete the secondary ability (e.g. on alakazam Synchronize>Inner Focus>Magic Guard) or the primary if shiny (e.g. on shiny alakazam Synchronize<Inner Focus<Magic Guard).
Potential Bans and Threats: I'm not very good at thorymoning, but I think that pokémon with an huge movepool and/or very good abilities (e.g. Scrappy Megakanghaskhan) can be broken. Also, double item clause that don't let you to have 2 of the same item (sorry marorwack-alola). Surely megas and Z-moves will be fine. And poison-types can get +1/8 max life every turn, while poison heal obtaining +3/16.
Questions for the community: Should it be an Uber or OU meta? And also, Should Combos like life orb+choice item or choice item+choice item be banned?
P.S.: a fun-fact: a leech-seeding on a 252hp chansey 0hp brellom with poison heal, lefties, tricked lefties, aqua ring, ingrain and smacked down on grassy terrain can get 188 hp/turn, so 94/115
NICEMONS
Metagame premise: You can "merge" 2 pokémons into 1 by using nicknames. The type can be selected like in https://github.com/XpRienzo/DragonHeaven/blob/master/mods/franticfusions/README.md Frantic Fusions but the stats are calculated differently: your pokémon will have the better stats can have. (e.g. Pheromonsa*Xurkitree would have 83/137/71/173/71/151 BS) You would get all the moves and the ability that the old pokémons could have.
Potential bans and threats: just said that I'm not so good at thorymonning, I'll Think smeargle, chansey, shuckle, Kyurem-b, and I think UBs (and all others unequilibrated pokémons)
Questions for the community: Should it be an Uber or OU meta? And how must the eviolite work?
Aaaaand I just noticed Showdown, for whatever reason, has some abilities listed out of alphabetical order. Which means I'll have to check this entire list again to see if there's any other ability on the wrong order. Yay.
That being said, can anyone with coding experience tell me if this would be easy, or even possible, to code?
ABILITY URGE
Metagame Premise: Each Pokemon's ability gets to activate or reactivate after it uses an attack, regardless of what may trigger it. For Example, if Heatran uses Lava Plume, right after the attack is used its own Flash Fire activates. It must strictly be a physical or special attack, as to avoid abuse of status moves like recovery, Protect and Substitute.
Potential Bans and Threats: Any ability dedicated to sharply boosting Attack or Special Attack. Beast Boost.
Questions for the community: How should contact abilities like Flame Body and Effect Spore be handled?
TIME STOPPERS
Metagame Premise: The first 5 turns of each battle function normally. Starting at turn 6, whatever objects or conditions are currently active in the field will remain for the rest of the battle and cannot be changed.
Potential Bans and Threats: None.
Questions for the community: Is 5 turns the appropriate amount of time for set up, or should it be changed?
Metagame Premise: Each Pokemon's ability gets to activate or reactivate after it uses an attack, regardless of what may trigger it. For Example, if Heatran uses Lava Plume, right after the attack is used its own Flash Fire activates. It must strictly be a physical or special attack, as to avoid abuse of status moves like recovery, Protect and Substitute.
Potential Bans and Threats: Any ability dedicated to sharply boosting Attack or Special Attack. Beast Boost.
Questions for the community: How should contact abilities like Flame Body and Effect Spore be handled?
TIME STOPPERS
Metagame Premise: The first 5 turns of each battle function normally. Starting at turn 6, whatever objects or conditions are currently active in the field will remain for the rest of the battle and cannot be changed.
Potential Bans and Threats: None.
Questions for the community: Is 5 turns the appropriate amount of time for set up, or should it be changed?
Ability Urge: too much broken stuff. Volcarona would essentially get 110 BP STAB will o wisps, Landorus-t would be downright impervious on the physical side, and Magearna would be almost unstoppable. I wouldn't play this.
Time stoppers - it already exists - it's called Lockdown check it out.
Thanks for the input.
How about instead that the abilities re/activate when they KO something like how Battle Bond works? That way problem abilities and Pokemon can be isolated without doing too much damage to other Pokemon that only have one ability.
lets go anger point
i had this idea a while back, except mine activated ability as a replaced function of a z-move instead of increased power, it would also trigger its own ability if possible. (z-moves would be allowed multiple times in the match, but only with the correct z-crystal and matching attack). i think having it activate on every single attack is very crazy. if it happens on ko its a slight improvement, but a lot of abilities debuff the opponent in some way, making it useless (for instance intimidate, static, etc...)
What if we go Last Will and make them activate if the user faints in case the abilities affect the opponent? And keep the ones that affect the user work with knocking foes out
Name: Movin' On Down
Premise: You take things that are banned to Ubers and make it so that they are balanced in OU. This is a Pet Mod. This includes Pokémon, moves, etc.
Premise: You take things that are banned to Ubers and make it so that they are balanced in OU. This is a Pet Mod. This includes Pokémon, moves, etc.
Elemental Purity
Metagame premise: All Pokémon have only their primary type as their typing (i.e., Tapu Koko becomes pure Electric, Magearna becomes pure Steel, and so on), or only their secondary type if they are shiny (i.e., Shiny Charizard becomes pure Flying, Shiny Sharpedo becomes pure Dark, and so on). Single-type Pokémon are unaffected.
Potential bans and threats:
• Standard OU banlist, unless some Uber Pokémon are shown to be more manageable without their secondary typing and could drop;
• Regular Landorus-T has the potential to become a really threatening Pokémon. While losing an immunity to Ground and a resistance to Fighting may hurt, it also can't be easily taken down by Ice-type coverage anymore, and it gains a resistance to Stealth Rock;
• Neither regular Greninja nor shiny are much affected by the loss of one of their types thanks to Protean. Ash-Greninja won't be able to spam simultaneous Hydro Pumps and Dark Pulses as freely as before, but it gains one free moveslot for whatever coverage it may need;
• Say goodbye to your Stealth Rock weakness, Regular Kyurem-B! Now you can abuse your bulk and power much more effectively. Beware of Ice, though;
• Regular Latios and Latias no longer care much about Pursuit and Sucker Punch, but losing STAB in the form of Psyshock may hurt a bit, unless you want to resort to Soul Dew as a sort of pseudo-STAB or want to turn them into pure Psychics by shinyfing them;
• Shiny Volcarona loses a crippling weakness for a more forgiving weakness to Stealth Rock, and can now come in more freely to wreak havoc.
Questions for the community: Which Pokémon benefit or are hit the most from losing a type? How will teams adapt and cover their weak points without type compression?
Edit: Shinies use their secondary types and there is no shiny lock.
Metagame premise: All Pokémon have only their primary type as their typing (i.e., Tapu Koko becomes pure Electric, Magearna becomes pure Steel, and so on), or only their secondary type if they are shiny (i.e., Shiny Charizard becomes pure Flying, Shiny Sharpedo becomes pure Dark, and so on). Single-type Pokémon are unaffected.
Potential bans and threats:
• Standard OU banlist, unless some Uber Pokémon are shown to be more manageable without their secondary typing and could drop;
• Regular Landorus-T has the potential to become a really threatening Pokémon. While losing an immunity to Ground and a resistance to Fighting may hurt, it also can't be easily taken down by Ice-type coverage anymore, and it gains a resistance to Stealth Rock;
• Neither regular Greninja nor shiny are much affected by the loss of one of their types thanks to Protean. Ash-Greninja won't be able to spam simultaneous Hydro Pumps and Dark Pulses as freely as before, but it gains one free moveslot for whatever coverage it may need;
• Say goodbye to your Stealth Rock weakness, Regular Kyurem-B! Now you can abuse your bulk and power much more effectively. Beware of Ice, though;
• Regular Latios and Latias no longer care much about Pursuit and Sucker Punch, but losing STAB in the form of Psyshock may hurt a bit, unless you want to resort to Soul Dew as a sort of pseudo-STAB or want to turn them into pure Psychics by shinyfing them;
• Shiny Volcarona loses a crippling weakness for a more forgiving weakness to Stealth Rock, and can now come in more freely to wreak havoc.
Questions for the community: Which Pokémon benefit or are hit the most from losing a type? How will teams adapt and cover their weak points without type compression?
Edit: Shinies use their secondary types and there is no shiny lock.
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Pretty Chill Team Builder
Premise: Pokemon will not have conflicting sets or forms when validating. Pokemon Specific Z-crystals act as regular Z-crystals on the respective Pokemon giving the Pokemon two different options.
Bans: OU banlist, OHKO ban especially.
Threats: Older Gen Pokemon, and event legendaries such as Chansey and Mew.
No more event exclusive moves or gen 3 move tutor moves stopping the whole set, just a pretty chill team builder.
Questions For the Community:
Will it be possible to code around the form changes when I know they are hardcoded in the cartridge to revert to their original form or keep their original type?
Premise: Pokemon will not have conflicting sets or forms when validating. Pokemon Specific Z-crystals act as regular Z-crystals on the respective Pokemon giving the Pokemon two different options.
Bans: OU banlist, OHKO ban especially.
Threats: Older Gen Pokemon, and event legendaries such as Chansey and Mew.
- In this meta, if a Pokemon has access to the move, through egg moves or previous move tutors, it will have a valid set with no conflicts with its other moves. If a Pokemon has access to an ability whether it is released or not, it can use this ability.
- Pokemon are allowed to start off in any of its forms. For example, Castform may be sent out in its hail form, Silvally can be a fire type without a memory, Darmanitan can start off in Zen mode, or Meloetta can start in its Pirouette form.
- A Snorlax with Snorlium-Z treats its crystal as a Normalium-Z. The Snorlax with Giga Impact and Belly Drum has the option of going either Pulverizing Pancake, Breakneck Blitz, or using Z-Belly Drum. Only a Snorlax may use Snorlium-Z as a Normalium-Z and same goes for the rest of the Pokemon specific crystals. Shiny locks are removed.
No more event exclusive moves or gen 3 move tutor moves stopping the whole set, just a pretty chill team builder.
Questions For the Community:
Will it be possible to code around the form changes when I know they are hardcoded in the cartridge to revert to their original form or keep their original type?
Pokemon with form-specific moves, such as Rotom, do not get to share moves. Greninja will not start off as Ash-Greninja. The idea is to have a Pokemon use its moveset and abilities fully; if it can not learn the move, it can not use it. Castform should change form if the weather changes. If Castform starts as rain form, it will change to sun form in the sunlight. If the weather ends or this Rain Form Castform is switched out, it will revert to Rain Mode. Multi Attack will be normal if Silvally is not holding the memory, but in this meta, Silvally-X will be X-type instead of normal (unlike arceus in Balanced Hackmons). Darmanitan will stay Zen Mode the whole game and I am debating allowing Zen Mode Darmanitan to have Sheer Force. This won't mean Thunderus-I will get Volt Absorb, so this ability change will be unique to Darmanitan. Mimikyu, in busted form, will get hurt on the first hit because the disguise is already busted. Charizard will not be able to choose between its X and Y evolution with one stone. Pokemon with changed abilities, such as Suicune getting Water Absorb or Chandelure getting Shadow Tag, do not have access to these abilities. What you see in teambuilder is what you get. Let me know if you have questions!
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I think shinies should use secondary typing. Also, I think shiny locks should not apply, as it is only fair to things that are shiny locked right now like the other three tapus and the UBs.
Cursed Acupuncture : Every 2 turns a pokemon gets its highest stat increased by +1 but, suffers a certain amount of damage depending on the stat increased. If you have two or more stats that equal the same amount the boost will be random for the first time and the boost will remain with that same stat for the rest of the game.Healing moves only heal for 1/2 the usual amount so soft boiled will only heal for 25%. Taunt, toxic, and good wall breakers will be very important.
Stat Increase Effect
Attack +1 :15% health taken at the end of every two turns
Defense +1 :13% health taken at the end of every two turns
Speed +1 : 17% health taken at the end of every two turns
Sp Def +1 : 13% health taken at the end of every two turns.
Sp Attack +1 : 15% health taken at the end of every two turns.
OU tier pokemon and below are usable.
Baton pass is allowed for one time use throughout the whole game.
All other OU rules apply.
Possible Suspects/Bans(Magearna,Beast Boosters, Specific Regenerator Users)
Questions for the Community
What can I do to improve this metagame if possible?
What are some other major threats that should be suspected or banned?
Is anything confusing?
Should teams be shown for an example?
Is their any metagames like this that I haven't seen?
Stat Increase Effect
Attack +1 :15% health taken at the end of every two turns
Defense +1 :13% health taken at the end of every two turns
Speed +1 : 17% health taken at the end of every two turns
Sp Def +1 : 13% health taken at the end of every two turns.
Sp Attack +1 : 15% health taken at the end of every two turns.
OU tier pokemon and below are usable.
Baton pass is allowed for one time use throughout the whole game.
All other OU rules apply.
Possible Suspects/Bans(Magearna,Beast Boosters, Specific Regenerator Users)
Questions for the Community
What can I do to improve this metagame if possible?
What are some other major threats that should be suspected or banned?
Is anything confusing?
Should teams be shown for an example?
Is their any metagames like this that I haven't seen?
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It's a bit arbitrary, but i don't have opinions on that. Doesn't seem much interesting. Also Stall won't care about losing HP cause most get recovery.
Recycle Rampage: Pokémon have their item replaced by a new one whenever they use a new move. The item gained is based off the attacking type and move type of the move used. So a Fire Physical move yields a different move than a Normal Status move or a Water Special move.
Example:
If Leftovers was linked to Normal Type Status Moves, using a move like Swords Dance would give you Leftovers until you use a move of a different Attacking Category/Type.
OU Banlist
OU Clauses apply.
Questions:
How could I improve this? I mean, it's pretty much a rough draft right now.
What items could I do for each move/attacking type?
What about Megas?
Could Stall be Viable here, depending on the item list?
What if you have no item/Lost yours?
Should this be dependent on what move it is instead of the attacking category and type? I.E should draining moves like Giga Drain give Big Root and moves with a high miss rate like Focus Blast give Wide Lens?
Example:
If Leftovers was linked to Normal Type Status Moves, using a move like Swords Dance would give you Leftovers until you use a move of a different Attacking Category/Type.
OU Banlist
OU Clauses apply.
Questions:
How could I improve this? I mean, it's pretty much a rough draft right now.
What items could I do for each move/attacking type?
What about Megas?
Could Stall be Viable here, depending on the item list?
What if you have no item/Lost yours?
Should this be dependent on what move it is instead of the attacking category and type? I.E should draining moves like Giga Drain give Big Root and moves with a high miss rate like Focus Blast give Wide Lens?
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Seems complicated but, fun overall.
I say that you make it so that items unable to be removed via knock-off (mega stones, Z-crystals, etc.) cannot be shuffled out.
You'll have to choose, category or type for offensive moves. But you can do something like this:
Healing moves: Leftovers
Attacking moves that don't enter any of the others categories: The item that boosts by x1.2 the power of an attack of a special type (charcoal, Mystic Water etc...)
Leeching Moves: Big Root
Moves with secondary effects: Life Orb
Boosting moves: White Herb
Low accuracy moves (under 80): Wide Lens
Priority moves: Lagging Tail
Negative priority moves: Quick Claw
Physical moves under 60 Base Power: Choice Band
Special moves under 60 base Power: Choice Specs
Two turn moves: Power Herb
Status inducing moves: Lum Berry
Taunt: Mental Herb
Recoil moves: Choice Scarf
Protection moves: Rocky Helmet
Barrier moves (Light Screen, Reflect, Aurora Veil): Light Clay
if you see anything that should be added RedSabre.
honestly this sounds like a pretty solid meta , I especially like it for the fact that it makes some mons with form changes more viable , and actually makes pirouette form meloetta and zen mode darmanitan usable. However i do see this meta may leave some pokemon not being able to benefit from the meta but then again isnt that the case with most.Pretty Chill Team Builder
Premise: Pokemon will not have conflicting sets or forms when validating. Pokemon Specific Z-crystals act as regular Z-crystals on the respective Pokemon giving the Pokemon two different options.
Bans: OU banlist, OHKO ban especially.
Threats: Older Gen Pokemon, and event legendaries such as Chansey and Mew.
- In this meta, if a Pokemon has access to the move, through egg moves or previous move tutors, it will have a valid set with no conflicts with its other moves. If a Pokemon has access to an ability whether it is released or not, it can use this ability.
- Pokemon are allowed to start off in any of its forms. For example, Castform may be sent out in its hail form, Silvally can be a fire type without a memory, Darmanitan can start off in Zen mode, or Meloetta can start in its Pirouette form.
- A Snorlax with Snorlium-Z treats its crystal as a Normalium-Z. The Snorlax with Giga Impact and Belly Drum has the option of going either Pulverizing Pancake, Breakneck Blitz, or using Z-Belly Drum. Only a Snorlax may use Snorlium-Z as a Normalium-Z and same goes for the rest of the Pokemon specific crystals. Shiny locks are removed.
No more event exclusive moves or gen 3 move tutor moves stopping the whole set, just a pretty chill team builder.
Questions For the Community:
Will it be possible to code around the form changes when I know they are hardcoded in the cartridge to revert to their original form or keep their original type?
Pokemon with form-specific moves, such as Rotom, do not get to share moves. Greninja will not start off as Ash-Greninja. The idea is to have a Pokemon use its moveset and abilities fully; if it can not learn the move, it can not use it. Castform should change form if the weather changes. If Castform starts as rain form, it will change to sun form in the sunlight. If the weather ends or this Rain Form Castform is switched out, it will revert to Rain Mode. Multi Attack will be normal if Silvally is not holding the memory, but in this meta, Silvally-X will be X-type instead of normal (unlike arceus in Balanced Hackmons). Darmanitan will stay Zen Mode the whole game and I am debating allowing Zen Mode Darmanitan to have Sheer Force. This won't mean Thunderus-I will get Volt Absorb, so this ability change will be unique to Darmanitan. Mimikyu, in busted form, will get hurt on the first hit because the disguise is already busted. Charizard will not be able to choose between its X and Y evolution with one stone. Pokemon with changed abilities, such as Suicune getting Water Absorb or Chandelure getting Shadow Tag, do not have access to these abilities. What you see in teambuilder is what you get. Let me know if you have questions!
Pretty much mandatory to implement if you want more than two Flying-types in the tier.
sin(pi)
lucky n bad
Isn't this just Adaptability with minor changes?
Very well, it is decided. Shinies will use their secondary types, then.
Sorta, even though in Adaptability all Pokémon gain Adaptability along with their Abilities and gain a resistance to their lost types. Meanwhile, in Purity, the Pokémon just lose one of their types and don't gain any boost of any kind.
RsEmix
Ever wondered what would happen if no new Pokemon were invented, just new moves and abilities? In RSEmix, all Pokemon released after RSE are banned, but the physical/special split is still intact, the Fairy-type still exists and Pokemon have their current abilities and movepools.
Banlist
All post Gen 3 Pokemon
OU banlist
OU clauses
Complex bans
The following Pokemon may not hold an Eviolite: Rhydon, Togetic, Lickitung, Dusclops, Yanma, Gligar, Magneton, Magmar, Electabuzz, Roselia, Piloswine, Porygon2, Sneasel, Nosepass (basically any that were given evolutions in Gen 4).
Possible bans
Charizardite X - with no Landorus-T, Tapu Fini or Heatran to get in its way, Charizard X's STABs are only resisted by Azumarill, who still takes massive damage from Flare Blitz
Increased viability.
Dragon types
With far fewer Fairy types to get in their way, the Dragons can now spam their STABs much more freely.
Clefable
Now undisputedly the best Fairy type in the tier, as it no longer has to compete with the Tapus and Togekiss.
Mega Pidgeot
No longer outclassed by Tornadus-T
Decreased viability
Nothing springs to mind as of yet.
Q&A
Do Alola formes count?
Afraid so. No more Marowak-A or Muk-A
What about mega evolutions?
They are still legal, and will be banned on a case by case basis.
What about Z moves?
They're still legal and function just as they do in standard play.
Ever wondered what would happen if no new Pokemon were invented, just new moves and abilities? In RSEmix, all Pokemon released after RSE are banned, but the physical/special split is still intact, the Fairy-type still exists and Pokemon have their current abilities and movepools.
Banlist
All post Gen 3 Pokemon
OU banlist
OU clauses
Complex bans
The following Pokemon may not hold an Eviolite: Rhydon, Togetic, Lickitung, Dusclops, Yanma, Gligar, Magneton, Magmar, Electabuzz, Roselia, Piloswine, Porygon2, Sneasel, Nosepass (basically any that were given evolutions in Gen 4).
Possible bans
Charizardite X - with no Landorus-T, Tapu Fini or Heatran to get in its way, Charizard X's STABs are only resisted by Azumarill, who still takes massive damage from Flare Blitz
Increased viability.
Dragon types
With far fewer Fairy types to get in their way, the Dragons can now spam their STABs much more freely.
Clefable
Now undisputedly the best Fairy type in the tier, as it no longer has to compete with the Tapus and Togekiss.
Mega Pidgeot
No longer outclassed by Tornadus-T
Decreased viability
Nothing springs to mind as of yet.
Q&A
Do Alola formes count?
Afraid so. No more Marowak-A or Muk-A
What about mega evolutions?
They are still legal, and will be banned on a case by case basis.
What about Z moves?
They're still legal and function just as they do in standard play.
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Eh.... I like the idea, but cutting off all Pokémon after Ruby Sapphire and Emerald is just bad. Gen 4 hugely updates the metagame, and still has most of the cool mechanics. I would say make it Gen 4, keep the fairy type around, and moves that were buffed after gen 4 stay buffed, same with debuffs, all that stuff.
However, on the other side of the coin, it seems like a relatively bad idea because you literally just do Sun & Moon but only Pokémon made before BW/DP are allowed. So basically you just do Gen 7 without the Pokémon from Gen 5-7, or 4-7. Also you would have to take into account things like the Dream World in BW, which isn't in RSE/DPP, and might have to be thought over about banning hidden abilities, which are gained through that. Same with Team Preview.
TL;DR Cool premise, but basically just playing Gen 3 OU with Gen 7 Mechanics.
However, on the other side of the coin, it seems like a relatively bad idea because you literally just do Sun & Moon but only Pokémon made before BW/DP are allowed. So basically you just do Gen 7 without the Pokémon from Gen 5-7, or 4-7. Also you would have to take into account things like the Dream World in BW, which isn't in RSE/DPP, and might have to be thought over about banning hidden abilities, which are gained through that. Same with Team Preview.
TL;DR Cool premise, but basically just playing Gen 3 OU with Gen 7 Mechanics.
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