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This is gonna sound weird--but I had mild success running 252 HP, 126 Def, 130 Spdef, Toxic, Thunder Wave, Torment and Protect. I managed to cripple a setup sweeper and a tank in the same match, keeping Klefki alive in the process. Torment and Protect weren't used, I'm still raising it, but I'm...

He learns it at level 0, so you can use a Heart Scale on a DW Dragonite and he'll get it.

I ran some calcs, and I noticed Brick Break also has the power to OHKO it after Rocks. I forgot it even had it, pardon my dum. I'll edit it.

I've got a little experimental set running here. Weather abuser. Dragonite @Life Orb/Leftovers Multiscale, nature Brave or Quiet 252 HP 252 Spatk -Thunder -Hurricane -Brick Break -Roost/Dragon Pulse/Thunder Wave/Extremespeed Thunder and Hurricane won't miss in Rain. Brick Break is there for...

Well, I didn't think of that. Indeed, we should let the metagame shape up. I actually want to see the tiers before we get to ban anything other than clearly broken stuff.

While Drizzle HAS had a huge impact on the metagame, you have to remember, it has had a huge impact on the metagame BECAUSE of Kingdra, Ludicolo, etc etc etc. If they hadn't been as great in the rain as they are, I'm extremely certain that the Drizzle+SwSw ban wouldn't have come through. I'm no...

I think Blaziken was banned for other reasons combined with Speed Boost. Namely outstanding Atk, excellent offensive STAB combo, numerous high BP attacks, Swords Dance basically becoming Dragon Dance +1, and uh... I can't remember the last one, but I believe that's it.

I'm probably about to lay down a stupidly-worded argument, but. Let's say I have a Drizzle team. Let's say it contains, for example, Drizzletoed/Beartic/Wash Rotom/Azumarill/Tornadus/Ferrothorn (I like odd choices, sue me). Now, is it broken? Probably not, I can only see two that could be a bit...

Psychic is fine, as there are many Fighting types running rampant. You might however want to consider Hurricane, as even with shaky accuracy is almost always enough to OHKO most any Fighting type.

Alright, I'll say it. It's overpowered. Why? You're using up only one moveslot on a single Pokemon to counter several otherwise perfectly viable Pokémon with a fire-and-forget move. Oh, sure, you can have Spinners. But that can be countered, you know. And it's EASY thanks to Scarfdelure. Now...

Wow, if you put it like that... Still, stuff like Weavile and Mamoswine completely murder it, plus Teasing Heart Taunters should be able to shut it down.

In that case, is there any way I can try to argue Shaymin-S into OU? I can see a few points that could make it easily counterable, so I'd like to try and convince someone.

I'm not sure if I'm supposed to ask this here (infract at your leisure if I'm not), but: Was Shaymin-S' preliminary ban from the rough start tier things a preemptive ban or does it have a chance to land in OU? I'm asking because it's a perfect fit in some of my teams as a sweeper, and the...

I find that running HP Ground in place of Ice or Fire works wonders. You're still not walled by mons like Nattorei or Scizor, but it also gives you a very reliable way of taking down Fire-types like Heatran or Infernape.

I've got a support Crobat that works wonders. Crobat @Life Orb 252 Speed//252 Atk/Spatk//4 HP +Speed nature Slip Through -Toxic -Confuse Ray/Whirlwind/Hypnosis/Haze -U-Turn (if using atk EVs) / Super Fang -Brave Bird / Venom Shock / Heat Wave The offensive part of the EVs should...

Has Shelgon been mentioned? He gets up to flippin' 150 base Def and 90 Spdef with this, plus the same HP as Skarmory, and since he has so few common weaknesses he's probably a decent alternative.

You're actually supposed to use Healing Wish to go into Dugtrio, which makes it all the more worth it if Dugtrio was hurt.

Got a couple sets for this beauty. First off, an offensive set: Dancing Beauty Doredia @Life Orb EVs: 252 Speed, 252 Spatk, 4 Spdef Nature: Timid/Modest Ability: Own Tempo (you'll see why below) ~/Giga Drain / Petal Dance ~/Butterfly Dance ~/Teeter Dance / Hidden Power of your...

Uber set Genosect @Choice Scarf Download Nature: Bashful/Serious/Docile/Hardy/Quirky ~/ X-Scissor / Shadow Claw ~/ Return / Explosion ~/ Bugg Buzz if running shadow claw / Flash Cannon ~/ Ice Beam / Blizzard Pick X-Scissor over Shadow Claw if you want more power, Shadow Claw if you're very...

It's a buffalo, not a bull. How many times do people have to repeat this?