Husk said:
Could someone explain to me what this whole "Deoxys-s killed a playing style" argument is. There are still a lot of offensive or "glass cannon" teams out there. They still perform well. In fact deoxys-s fits on those teams extremely well! I was around before deoxys-s was unbanned and I'm still around now obviously, somehow I missed this trend.
Aldaron said:
I played a lot pre-Deoxys-S and post-Deoxys-S and I played well and I consider myself to be a top player in both periods.
I do not note a significant change.
Do you see how simply saying that means nothing?
What you, Iggybot, IPL and the like need to do is more effectively clarify what you mean by Deoxys-S reduces the viability of certain types of teams, because now even husk is asking what exactly you guys are talking about.
I might be too harsh or whatever the fuck (lol), but I am sure you can respect husk's confusion regarding this statement and clarify more.
OK, so far through this topic, Iggybot (and others) have talked about Deoxys-S reducing the viability of some type of offensive team. At this juncture, I am not going to say I agree or disagree, so leave comments like this...
Imperfectluck said:
I stated my perspective. You disagree. How about we leave it at that? I'm not sure how much more I'd need to clarify things in order for you to understand...
...out of any responses. Also, I'd prefer if Iggybot (and others) did not say "I've already stated it in the topic," (as seems to be a disturbing pattern) because A.) obviously the description was not sufficient, and B.) it's a pretty damn long topic, so perhaps it bears repetition at this point.
So far through this topic, the most detailed description I am getting about Iggybot's and IPL's blanket statement is that Deoxys-S reduces the viability of some type of offensive team. This topic has told me that Iggybot believes it is "sweeping offense." Well, I went on irc and #smogon, I found out that evidently Iggybot has not stated what he means, and that I was being unfair by not "assuming what he meant" or whatever. Ignoring that obviously preposterous comment for a bit, I am right now calling out Iggybot and asking him to explicitly and sufficiently both explain and define what he means.
Because evidently it is not this...
Iggybot said:
Despite what some of my previous posts look like, I am not complaining about my teams not being able to deal with Deoxys-S. My point isn't the fact that just a couple of teams can't deal with Deoxys-S, but a whole entire style team is incapable of dealing with Deoxys-S. These offensive teams that I'm referring to work by utilizing resistances to get in, and speed and attack to hit hard. They are essentially glass cannon teams, and yes, they are very viable. However, when Deoxys-S is most likely hitting at the very least, 4/6 pokemon for SE damage, and outspeeding the whole team, the very foundation of these teams is gone.
Well Iggybot, since on IRC last night you mentioned that I should have known what you meant, perhaps you should explicitly define it here, if that paragraph does not explicitly state what you mean.
IPL has also mentioned similar sentiments, as on IRC lastnight he mentioned "offensive teams that utilize resistances" as the style of team he was saying Deoxys-S reduces.
Well, I'll wait for a much more detailed explanation for this blanket statement (and in my opinion, a very irresponsible blanket statement without much more detailed explanation) before I say I agree / disagree.