Quick Rant on UU

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Chimera

Toxicroak
Swellow
Clefable
Steelix
Vileplume
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Grumpig
Hypno

wonder what I'm doing? I'm just thinking about some pokemon that basically run the UU tier. I know that most people that play UU just do it for a change of pace from OU, that's absolutely fine with me. But there's a nice chunk of the UU community, and I seem to run into them so often it almost seemed like half the UU players or more were like this, had a little chip on their shoulder. I play OU, pretty much exclusively. There's a few pokes I like and always try to use on my teams, but I've trained and used a lot on wifi.

It just bothers me sometimes when UU players act like they are more creative in that tier. I mean...I listed 10 pokemon that seem to be all over the place. It's not that much more creative, there's a small handful of very strong UU pokes that, since this is a favorite word, centralize the metagame. You have to be able to deal with Hitmonlee somehow or it'll wreck your team, fact. It may not be on the same level of Garchomp, Gyarados, or Blissey, but when the entire tier is on a lower power level things that stand out really do seem to stand out.

I'm not against UU, I don't think someone's dumb to play UU, everyone has their preferences. I'm just saying don't get high and mighty thinking you're some creative genius. Thankfully its a minority, but we could all use a reminder.

And I think that applies far beyond UU. If you use an inventive team in OU that may be half OU, half BL, fine. If you have an interesting strategy that you want to try, cool. But don't consider yourself better as a player or more creative, skilled, etc because you're using a Gravity team, or a Hail team, or a team of all Dark types, k?

Not gonna lie, I just saw a post that said "wow, sure are a lot of plain OU teams here" in an RMT thread and it just kinda pushed me over. I still think some etiquette and a setting aside of egos can do the community wonders.
 
And is there a reason that we're supposed to care?

At the very least, you could've at least posted this in the stickied UU thread. This did not deserve its own thread at all. Honestly, this thread is not going to change anything.
 
I agree that those pokemon are everywhere, and that people who play UU and say that they are more original than OU players is kind of annoying, but I think reading this may help you.
 
it won't change anything, and i have a sneaking feeling that this will be basically confirmed come next month anyway give or take 2 or 3 (possible froslass rotom and persian are used more), only way to get it sorted is to find out why there are being used so much.
 
This is the same case as in OU right now. Welcome to usage-based tiers. Nobody really cares here, so far. We need some serious shaking-up of the tiers, and it's painfully obvious, but there are still too many inflated egos to get things done.
 
Bologo said:
And is there a reason that we're supposed to care?

At the very least, you could've at least posted this in the stickied UU thread. This did not deserve its own thread at all. Honestly, this thread is not going to change anything.
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I'm not really tryin to shatter anyone's perceptions of the world and melt your face off. And to be honest, nothing changes til you at least say somethin out loud.

I won't break down walls and build bridges with this, I know.
 
I'd rather fight UU teams with those 6 pokes then an OU team as of now. It is getting ridiculous how often i see carbon copy teams.
 
Kagster, you seem to be missing the point, he's saying that UU gets carbon copy teams the same way that OU does.

I, for one, am very interested in how the UU ladder statistics coming out in a few days will turn out. Wouldn't it be funny if it turned out that UU was more centralized than OU?
 
I dont really get the point of this thread, what the hell are you trying to change, and its natural that people would use the best of UU, although you do see a lot more than those 6.
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Chimera said:
Not gonna lie, I just saw a post that said "wow, sure are a lot of plain OU teams here" in an RMT thread and it just kinda pushed me over. I still think some etiquette and a setting aside of egos can do the community wonders.
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Well, it does get boring running into Gengars, Garchomps, Tyranitars, Heatrans and Gyarados, possibly on the same team, during the entire year.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who sees a team of four or five 600 total base stat Pokes and think "lol OU standards".
 
I think its more, bandwagon jumping and laziness more then anything, how many new players (except uber noobs) actually come along with their own team in OU, i dont think it is coincidence then when someone says thier team gets to #1 in ladder it appears everywhere.
UU the situation is going that way, people abuse the possible brokens in this tier, as it really hasn't be determined and this is where we have ended up, and dare i say that the hitmons are being used BECAUSE of clefable and steelix?
we should wait for usage statistics or ask players why they use what they use to get the best picture.
 
As lame as it is, every competitive game will eventually stabilize and become centralized around a group of the most powerful characters / weapons. Players know what's powerful and what sucks. Obviously, if you are playing competitively, you'll use the best of the best to achieve victory easier. For instance, in Halo, if a player was given the choice between a Rocket Launcher or a Plasma Pistol, they would obviously pick the Rocket Launcher because it is easy to use and gets you more kills. It doesn't matter if you think the Plasma Pistol is the coolest weapon ever, because if you want to win the match you'll choose something stronger.

If you'll look at the list of UU pokemon you provided, you'll see a trend. Sure, they're probably among the strongest pokemon in UU, but look closer. Clefable and Steelix are the most popular walls. Fighting types kill both of them. Swellow and bulky Psychics kill the fighting types. Steelix stops Swellow, Clefable stops those bulky Psychics.

It's very probable that the game is centralized around Clefable and Steelix, and the other pokemon are popular because they counter them, or counter the counters. It isn't really fair to say that ALL these pokemon are overpowered, since 8 out of 10 of them are present because of the top two.


And finally, here at Smogon, we don't care if UU is becoming stale, or if cool pokemon like Xatu and Mightyena aren't seeing use. The Smogon philosophy is all about winning at pokemon no matter what. We're a competitive community. If the strongest pokemon was a steaming pile of crap, most of us wouldn't care what it looks like as long as it's powerful. Other websites teach you to love your pokemon, and be nice to them, blah blah blah... and if you agree, there's no one stopping you from joining them. If you can't wrap your head around the competitive nature of the site, you probably would be happier somewhere else.
 
You only listed 9 Pokemon...is there a hidden Pokemon you're not telling us about? A guessing game perhaps?

ninetales leafeon gastrodon poliwrath persian dodrio drifblim rotom quagsire aggron kabutops Do I win?
 
What skiddle said.

But to add to that, seeing as the UU ladder is brand new, there are a lot of people trying out UU for the first time (and a small group of veterans). Those brand new to a tier will probably try their hand with standards first, which could be an added reason why UU is currently seeing a lot of repetitiveness. In time, as players gain more experience, this could change. Even if it doesn't though, as skiddle said, there will always be those "cool kids" at the top of the tier, no matter how you put it together.
 
The wierd thing is I have never once seen a Vileplume. Also if we were making a list of top 10 uu pokemon or most common it actually would be:

swellow
nidoking
ninetails
steelix
leafeon
toxicroak
clefable
hitmonlee
hitmontop
primeape

Then again, everyone has their own opinion on what they think is the most common UU or pokemon that centralize UU. I dont think it needs an entire thread, especially since you aren't trying to change it.

I also want to point out that pokemon missing from my list that are very common are drifblim, sharpedo, kabutops, electrode, persian, venomoth, altaria, blastoise, gastrodon, quagsire, lapras, manectric, rotom, drapion, dodrio, hypno, other uu pokemon that you see often -_-.

If you still dont get what Im saying its that everyone has their own opinion about the most common of uu and it is all a matter of opinion. Everyone has an opinion on what centralizes uu and its nice that you made this list which is close to everybody elses probably but you aren't even trying to change anything. Plus, what is there to change if its all opinion and no fact.

Once Ladder stats come out, then we can have this discussion.
 
Until the uu ladder stats come out, this discussion is pretty baseless and has nothing to back it up other than "I see this Pokemon on every team I fight." I'm locking it for now, but if it seems valid once stats come out I may reopen it.
 
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