Ugh, good lord...I really didn't want to have to do this, but you leave me no choice...
SpecsGull
Wingull @ Choice Specs
Ability: Keen Eye
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk / 252 Speed / 6 HP
Brine
Shock Wave
Ice Beam
Air Slash
Wingull's speed tops Pelipper's, and with specs, it can work. Brine over Surf as Wingull can't learn Surf.
You do realize that friggin Gyarados has better Special Attack than this? People laugh their asses off at SpecsGyarados, even calling it mentally special Gyarados. How in the hell is this any better? Dies to a feathered touch, and does very little damage. Terrible.
Agilipper
Pelipper @ Wise Glasses
Ability: Keen Eye
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk / 250 Speed/ 8 Defense
Agility
Surf
Ice Beam/Shock Wave
Air Slash
Agility allieves Pelipper's speed problem, and allows it to sweep. Air Slash and Surf for STAB.
This is the only remotely usable set here, and it's still really pushing it due to Pelipper's general frailty (even the 100 base Defense doesn't help it very much when you don't invest any EVs into it).
StallBack
Sableye @ Choice Band
Ability: Stall
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack / 252 Defense / 6 HP
Payback
Brick Break
Aerial Ace
Zen Headbutt
ZOMG, Stall has a use! With Stall, Sableye always goes last, which is a GOOD thing where Payback is concerned.
First off, your EV spread is terrible, since HP would help it a lot more than Defense. Also, you obviously couldn't have tested this either (especially when you're accusing me of that), because guess what? Stall isn't implimented on shoddy!
CBRiolu
Riolu @Choice Band
Brave (+ Atk, - Spd)
EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 HP/ 6 Sp. Def.
-Hi Jump Kick
-Crunch
-Blaze Kick
-Earthquake
Eat a STAB'd, Banded Hi Jump Kick from this thing and you'll be rolling on the floor, crying your eyes out. Use w/Trick Room support.
Ok, so you took a bunch of ass-slow NFEs with good offensive stats huh? Tell me again where Riolu's good offensive stat is. I know what you're about to say. Just so you know, 70 base Attack IS NOT good.
CBGolbat
Golbat @Choice Band
Jolly
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
-Brave Bird
-Poison Fang
-Steel Wing
-U-Turn
Base 90 speed? Base 80 Attack? Choice Band material.
Uhh, you're not even Trick Rooming this one, and it can't even be used in Little Cup. There's no excuse for a set like this. You say that you're being creative, but it looks like you just took the CB Crobat set, and put shittier moves on it.
Agilidra
Seadra @Wise Glasses
Modest
EVs: 252 Sp.Atk, 252 Spd, 6 Def
-Agility
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Dragon Pulse/Signal Beam
People underestimate Seadra. It is more powerful than people give it credit for.
Uhh, so why exactly would people want to use this in UU? They have good rain sweepers there, so why use this thing? If you're about to say that this isn't going to be used in Rain, then good luck actually doing anything with it. People aren't underestimating it, you're just overestimating it...
CurseBreon
Pokemon: Umbreon
Nature: Brave
Item: Leftovers
EVs; 252 ATK, 200 Sp. Def, 52 HP.
Attacks;
Curse
Payback
Moonlight/Wish
Quick Attack/Last Resort
The world's first SWEEPING Umbreon!
This already exists, but with a much better moveset and EV spread, and it's more of a threat since it can BP its boosts out, instead of trying to sweep with god-awful coverage.
MixAdos
Gyarados
Mild
@Life Orb
252Sp.Atk/55 Atk/200 Speed
Waterfall
Ice Beam/Blizzard
Thunder/Bolt
Earthquake
Believe it or not, this actually works, despite Gyarados's iffy Special Attack.
People have posted sets like this for Gyarados several times, and it's always shot down. It's not supposed to be impossible to learn from other people's mistakes...
JolteCurse
Jolteon @Leftovers
Careful (+SpDef -SpAtk)
252 SpDef/200 Atk/58 HP
-Curse
-Thunder Fang
-Bite
-Baton Pass/Rest/Wish/Double Kick
Jolteon is known for its speed, but its Special Defense is good enough to make this work.
You're right, Jolteon IS known for its speed. It's also known for its shitty HP and terrible physical coverage. Also, if you've tested this set, you shouldn't have 4 slashes on the bottom slot.
RoomMite
Magnemite
Thunderbolt
Flash Cannon
Hidden Power (Ice)/(Fire)
Charge Beam
Item: Life Orb/Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
Nature(s): Quiet
EVs: 252 HP/252 Sp.Atk/6 Def.
The Trick Room version of Magneton/zone.
Uhh, you honestly expect Magnemite to be able to live long enough to get any benefit from Charge Beam? Also, this thing is NOT going to be able to switch in at all, so you'll have to often sacrifice something for i to even get in, which already wastes a turn of trick room. Do you honestly think that this thing is worth sacrificing a potentially GOOD pokemon for?
MixRow
Fearow
Mild
@Life Orb
252Sp.Atk/55 Atk/200 Speed
Drill Peck
Return/Pursuit/Faint Attack/Steel Wing/U-Turn
Tri-Attack
Heat Wave
Remember how in advance Fearow's HP Ground KOed those pesky ground types? Mourning for those days? Mourn no more!
MixRow
Uhh, how did HP Ground KO any Ground types in ADV? Even if it did go off of physical attack back then, Ground types weren't so frail that they would be KOed by a 70 BP non-stab attack.
SDPluff
Jumpluff @ Life Orb
Jolly (+Speed,-Sp.Atk.)
EVs;252 Speed/252 Attack
Swords Dance
Seed Bomb
Aerial Ace
U-Turn
Jumpluff's amazing speed lets it pull this off. Ability doesn't matter, because this Jumpluff set *GASP!* doesn't rely on the weather!
Ugh, look. Without Encore or Sleep Powder, this thing is going to have enough trouble even pulling off a Swords Dance, let alone SWEEPING. That, and very little is actually hurt by Jumpluff, even after an SD., even in UU. Plus, your two main attacks have terrible coverage, and U-Turn isn't exactly very helpful when you want to sweep with this thing.
FEARNub
Swinub @Focus Sash
Oblivious
Adamant
-Ice Shard
-Endeavor
-Odor Sleuth
-
EVs; None
Level: 11
This F.E.A.R. Swinub counters the problems other F.E.A.R. Pokemon face; Hail/Sandstorm (Ice/Ground), Ghost-types (Odor Sleuth), even other F.E.A.R. Pokemon (lv. 11)!
Uhh, level 11? I think you mean level 1. Also, Odor Sleuth? Do you really think that you're going to have enough time to both Odor Sleuth AND Endeavor something? I suppose that this could potentially work if you have god-like prediction skills.
PikaRev
Pikachu@ Light Ball
Jolly
252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~ Fake Out/Quick Attack
~ Endure
~ Volt Tackle
~ Reversal
Don't Volt Tackle AFTER Enduring.
Umm, there are Reversal users that actually have STAB on the move, and it's still not considered a good strategy. Why would this suddenly be any better?
SubSalacAngerKey
Mankey
@ Salac Berry
Jolly
Anger Point
252 Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
~ Substitute
~ Close Combat
~ Fire Punch
~ Outrage
Ever see a Mankey do a Primeape's work? Now you have!
Don't post sets like this. This is just a worse version of Primeape's Anger Point moveset.
CBGar
Gengar @ Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Moveset:
-Shadow Claw
-Poison Jab/Brick Break/Focus Punch
-ThunderPunch
-Ice Punch
Ding dong, the Blissey's dead!
Ding dong, everything else is fuckin alive!
CBNectric
Manectric @ Choice Band
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Moveset:
-Thunder Fang
-Ice Fang
-Fire Fang
-Crunch
309 speed, 409 attack. Need I say more?
Uhh, yes you need say more, because if you actually put WORK into this set, then you should be able to put work into explaining it.
How about I explain it for you? Hello, my name is CB Manectric, and I have 3 nice low BP moves to hit my opponent with, as well as my Crunch that so many other things can do better...
ScarfTite
Meditite @ Choice Scarf
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Moveset:
-Hi Jump Kick/Brick Break/Focus Punch
-Psycho Cut/Zen Headbutt
-ThunderPunch
-Ice Punch
Ever see a Meditite do a Medicham's work? Now you have! ...Woah. Deja vu!
Once again, if you fuckin want people to take you seriously, then don't post shit like this...
SpecsRow
Fearow
Modest
@Choice Specs
252Sp.Atk/252 Speed
Hidden Power (Flying)
Ominous Wind
Tri-Attack
Heat Wave
Double STAB, creams the crap out of Steel-types, powerful, fast, what more could you ask? Oh, yeah, it also beats Skarmory.
Umm, it beats Skarmory, but it doesn't beat anything else... Again, why should I use this over something like ScarfKiss, who has the exact same moves, but even has a better Special Attack stat AFTER Fearow's Specs boost...
HowlMel
Numel @Focus Sash
Ability; Simple
Nature; Brave
EVs; 252 Atk.
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Howl
Return
Trick Room support needed.
And why in the hell would I bother supporting this thing with Trick Room? A Simple Howl will only help so much, and you'll basically have only 3 turns to even attack after a Howl. Since this moveset is so easily walled by any decent physical wall, and is basically killed with anything that has an attack, I don't see why this moveset is effective at all.
AdaptabVee
Eevee @Focus Sash
Ability; Adaptability
Nature; Brave
EVs; 252 Atk.
Curse
Flail
A little Trick Room support, and viola! Eevee can sweep without evolving!
Even with a 400 BP Flail, this will die to ANYTHING that can survive the attack. How many respectable players have you actaully beaten with this thing? (it doesn't count if the opponent's final pokemon is at 1% and you bring this thing in to deliver the final touch)
CBDum
Beldum@ Choice Band
Brave
252 Atk, 200 Defense, 58 HP
~ Zen Headbutt
~ Iron Head
~ Take Down
~
Slap a Choice Band on Beldum. You'll be amazed. Trick Room is needed.
Does it fuckin look like this thing has a good offensive stat? Honestly don't post lies to me saying that you only put Trick Room on things with good offensive stats. This is solid proof against your claim.
CBFroslass
Froslass@Choice Band
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Spd / 252 Atk
Jolly
Ice Punch
Wake-Up Slap
Crunch
Headbutt
Originally I ran Ice Fang on this, but then Platinum came out. Its Attack = its Special Attack, so it works.
Umm, look at this set, and then look at the Special moves that Froslass can learn. Do you notice that its Special moves have considerably higher BP than these moves? Umm, that's why CB Froslass isn't good.
DBCac
Cacnea @ Focus Sash
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk
Adamant Nature (+Atk/+Sp.Atk.)
- Seed Bomb
- Swords Dance
- Destiny Bond
- Poison Jab/Faint Attack
Trick Room support necessary. If the foe KOs Cacnea, Destiny Bond KOs the foe. If the foe sees what's coming and DOESN'T attack, you SD up and sweep. Win-win situation.
Cacturne can run this EXACT same set. The speed drop that Cacnea has honestly will not help it here. This is way too much work to make Cacnea effective. IMO, if it doesn't have Sucker Punch, it's not going to actually kill anything. The only thing it's going to be killing is Grass-weak pokemon, and even then, a lot of the ones with good physical defense can still withstand an SD Seed Bomb (eg hippowdon).
PhysiCherrim
Cherrim @Salac Berry
Adamant
252 Atk./252 Spd/6 sp. def.
Seed Bomb
Natural Gift
Return
Sunny Day
Flower Gift raises Attack. Remember that now.
Umm, terrible coverage. Also, Cherrim still has a terrible attack stat even after the boost, especially considering that sun only lasts for 5 turns.
CBKrab
Krabby @ Choice Band
Ability: Hyper Cutter
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Def./6 HP
Brave Nature (+Atk/+Spd)
- Crabhammer
- Rock Slide
- X-Scissor
- Brick Break
Krabby. Teh PWNAGE of Trick Room.
First off, don't say "teh" and don't say "PWNAGE". We don't allow leetspeak. Also, a Choice Bander in Trick Room is a really bad idea. If you predict wrong after you miraculously get this thing into the match, you basically just lost either your Krabby, or your entire Trick Room in the time you take to set it up. Also, the EV spread is terrible. HP will help out a billion times more than Def, since his HP is abysmally low.
MediKid
Elekid @ Focus Sash
Ability: Static
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd/-Sp.Atk.)
- Meditate
- ThunderPunch
- Ice Punch
- Fire Punch
Meditate up and start sweeping, man.
I might have taken this set seriously if you were playing Little Cup. However, if you're seriously arguing that this can be used against players that have common sense, you're unbelievably incorrect. This is the EXACT same set that Electivire has, except it has a good ability. You're not fooling ANYONE by saying that this shit is creative.
ScarfNorith
Anorith(♂) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Battle Armor
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Speed
Adamant Nature (+Atk/-Sp.Atk)
- Rock Slide/Stone Edge
- X-Scissor
- Cross Poison
- Brick Break
Anorith would outspeed Armaldo WITHOUT Choice Scarf. And its Attack is good as well.
This is one of your few sets that would possibly be usable in NU play if it existed, since it actually has something to set it apart from Armaldo. However, in every other tier, it's really not that good. It requires way too much work to get it into the match, and that damage it does really doesn't compensate for that difficulty.
CBMunch
Munchlax @ Choice Band
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Atk/200 Sp.Def/58 HP
Brave Nature (+Atk/-Spd)
- Rock Slide
- Earthquake
- Return
- Zen Headbutt
Munchlax and Shuckle are the two slowest Pokemon to exist. With Trick Room support, NOTHING outspeeds this thing.
Ok, but it's not even very strong. Honestly, just use Snorlax. There's very few pokemon that are actually slower than a minimum speed Snorlax, so the extra "speed" that this thing gets in Trick Room really doesn't help it that much.
SwaggerDisc
Luvdisc @ Muscle Band
Adamant (+Atk, - Sp. Atk)
EVs: 252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP*
Swagger
Substitute
Flail
Psych Up
Use at your own risk.
Do I honestly even need to tell you why this set sucks?
SpecSkit
Surskit @ Choice Specs
Modest
EVs: 252 Sp. Atk, 252 Speed, 6 HP
-Hydro Pump
-Signal Beam
-Shadow Ball
-Ice Beam
A little Rain Dance support and this thing is bloody PWNage.
This could be potentially viable in NU, even though it's a bit stretch, since there are even better users of Swift Swim in NU, such as Seaking. Also, no leetspeak...
Alright, that's all of your sets, and I gave you a damn good reason why a huge majority of those sets are NOT viable. Don't ever tell me that I haven't fuckin read your sets, because I don't like being accused of shit that I don't deserve.
One more thing, I used to be one of the most gimmicky users here, so don't think that I misunderstand gimmicks, because I can smell a gimmick from a mile away. Also, whenever I presented sets that looked gimmicky, I at least provided a good explanation for each of the sets. You, on the other hand, have sloppily posted all of these sets with 1 or 2 sentences max of explanation.
I'm not trying to be mean here, but I'm seriously advising you to stop posting these gimmicks, because they're derailing the thread, and we don't want this thread to start resorting to gimmicks like it did in the last one.
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