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The 2010-11 Football/Soccer Thread
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I cant see him playing in england, no manager in the premier league is foolish enough to buy him (oh wait liverpool wat). Russian teams can afford him, but can you see his brand going that far east, no way. He has to stay at united until he can prove that the last few months have been a fluke and that he is capable of being a one of the strongest strikers in the world. Man City can probably afford him, but why would they want him, they have tevez who has been looking damn strong. There isnt anything chelsea can buy that they dont already have.
Well it's clearly for money that he wants to go. The ambition crap is bullshit made up so he can make out he's the victim rather than being a money-grabber. Who wins three leagues in a row, then comes second by one point and says fuck this, we have no ambition. Cunt. He's been shite for us since March (not just the lack of goals but his all round play has been garbage) so I'm actually happy he's out of the team. As long as we get £35m and he's not going to City or Chelsea I'll be happy.
Rooney is staying at Man Utd from what I've heard ?_?
@Lee/Zdrup15, here is your Eredivisie-watcher XD I'll discuss two games today.
PSV - Feyenoord 10-0
Before the start of the game, PSV, in okay shape, was #1 (still #1), Feyenoord, terrible form, #15 (now #16). PSV and Feyenoord are NOT similair teams, by the way. Feyenoord has financial problems, a depth of 50 million Euro, and almost only youth players, who oblivously aren't ready for the big work. PSV is a topclub, Feyenoord normally a subtopper (Now, they fight aginst relegation). PSV had a depth of 15 million Euro because they expect CL each year, but they haven't reached the top 2 last two years, but has far better players. Feyenoord bought old and expensive players with big salary years ago to reach CL. They failed and Feyenoord now pays the price. Now all those oldies are playing for other clubs or have quit (Makaay, Van Bronckhorst), barring left back Tim de Cler (31 years old, but he isn't a real leader like Feyenoord needs).
Feyenoord midfielder and captain Leroy Fer got injured and substituted. PSV got a undeserved 1-0 lead (striker Jonathan Reis). Then Feyenoord right back Kelvin Leerdam got two yellow cards (first one deserved, second one was a schwalbe from PSV winger Jeremain Lens). Until the red card in the 34th minute, PSV played terrible. Before halftime, an own goal from Bruno Martins Indi (substitute, defender, came in because of the red card) decided the match before halftime.
After halftime, Feyenoord was down 2-0, and with 10 players. The Feyenoord players were stupid enough to not try to keep the damage as low as possible, they wanted to attack. PSV countered to 10-0 with ease, the belief in a good/acceptable result went away and PSV made use of it. PSV didn't even play well, and Feyenoord was even worse.
The Feyenoord president wanted to keep the coach, Mario Been. Been asked his players if they want him to stay, they cried and didn't respond, Been cried too. When the player bus got back in Rotterdam, angry Feyenoord fans were waiting before the stadium, and a delegation of the supporter club wanted to talk to the coach.
Mario Been is expected to resign this week, he may be gone tomorrow.
Excelsior - Ajax 2-2.
The perfect example of getting f*cked by the referee (Jan Wegereef, he comes from a city where Ajax is hated).
Before the match, Ajax got terrible news: Uruguayan international Nicolás Lodeiro (attacking midfielder/left winger), just recovered from his foot injury that took three months, broke the same bone in his foot again on the training. Unfortunately, he'll be out for three months again.
Ajax scored quickly, but the perfectly legit goal was canceled. Excelsior should've got 4 yellow cards, not given. Ajax defender Vurnon Anita did a perfect tackle on the ball, barely touching Excelsior attacker Guyon Fernandez, who falled on purpose, he stood again after two seconds on the ground. But Anita got undeserved red. Until that, Ajax was better Excelsior scored two goals against a shocked Ajax (Wattamaleo and Bovenberg, Bovenberg goal didn't seem to be legit). Excelsior made two handballs in own penalty area, no penalties for Ajax. Also, Belgian international and central defender Vertonghen should've got a penalty. Halftime: 2-0.
Directly after halftime, Ajax central striker Mounir El Hamdaoui (former Excelsior player) scored a very beautiful 2-1. Excelsior made another handball in own penalty area, again no penalty. Ajax got 5 yellow cards, one legit and four bullshit cards, for fouls Excelsior didn't even get a free kick against them. Maarten Stekelenburg, Ajax and Dutch team keeper got injured (two weeks out) and substituted by Jeroen "Pizza" Verhoeven (3th keeper, very fat, which gives him his nickname "Pizza"). The whole second half barring injury time, Ajax was better. In the last minute before the injury time, Vertonghen scored a header out a corner. In the 6 minutes injury time, Verhoeven saved Ajax three times. Result: 2-2.
Referee Jan Wegereef didn't dare to explain things for the camera.
Ajax deserved a (small) win (2-4 would've been a better result suiting this game), but a draw with 10 players against 12 (referee+11 players of opponent) is a good result, even if you're a topclub playing against a mid-table club. Also, a legit Mounir El Hamdaoui in the first minute got f*cked by Wegereef.
Uruguayan right winger (goalkeeper against Ghana) Luis Suárez (I know some people are interested in how he performs) played average. No goals, others didn't score of his good assists (f*ck you Siem de Jong), so that doesn't count as assists.
Ajax defeated Excelsior with 0-2, scoring twice, but lost to referee Jan Wegereef. Wegereef defeated Ajax with 2-0. 2-0+0-2=2-2.
Ajax dropped one place, now they're #3.
PSV - Feyenoord 10-0
Before the start of the game, PSV, in okay shape, was #1 (still #1), Feyenoord, terrible form, #15 (now #16). PSV and Feyenoord are NOT similair teams, by the way. Feyenoord has financial problems, a depth of 50 million Euro, and almost only youth players, who oblivously aren't ready for the big work. PSV is a topclub, Feyenoord normally a subtopper (Now, they fight aginst relegation). PSV had a depth of 15 million Euro because they expect CL each year, but they haven't reached the top 2 last two years, but has far better players. Feyenoord bought old and expensive players with big salary years ago to reach CL. They failed and Feyenoord now pays the price. Now all those oldies are playing for other clubs or have quit (Makaay, Van Bronckhorst), barring left back Tim de Cler (31 years old, but he isn't a real leader like Feyenoord needs).
Feyenoord midfielder and captain Leroy Fer got injured and substituted. PSV got a undeserved 1-0 lead (striker Jonathan Reis). Then Feyenoord right back Kelvin Leerdam got two yellow cards (first one deserved, second one was a schwalbe from PSV winger Jeremain Lens). Until the red card in the 34th minute, PSV played terrible. Before halftime, an own goal from Bruno Martins Indi (substitute, defender, came in because of the red card) decided the match before halftime.
After halftime, Feyenoord was down 2-0, and with 10 players. The Feyenoord players were stupid enough to not try to keep the damage as low as possible, they wanted to attack. PSV countered to 10-0 with ease, the belief in a good/acceptable result went away and PSV made use of it. PSV didn't even play well, and Feyenoord was even worse.
The Feyenoord president wanted to keep the coach, Mario Been. Been asked his players if they want him to stay, they cried and didn't respond, Been cried too. When the player bus got back in Rotterdam, angry Feyenoord fans were waiting before the stadium, and a delegation of the supporter club wanted to talk to the coach.
Mario Been is expected to resign this week, he may be gone tomorrow.
Excelsior - Ajax 2-2.
The perfect example of getting f*cked by the referee (Jan Wegereef, he comes from a city where Ajax is hated).
Before the match, Ajax got terrible news: Uruguayan international Nicolás Lodeiro (attacking midfielder/left winger), just recovered from his foot injury that took three months, broke the same bone in his foot again on the training. Unfortunately, he'll be out for three months again.
Ajax scored quickly, but the perfectly legit goal was canceled. Excelsior should've got 4 yellow cards, not given. Ajax defender Vurnon Anita did a perfect tackle on the ball, barely touching Excelsior attacker Guyon Fernandez, who falled on purpose, he stood again after two seconds on the ground. But Anita got undeserved red. Until that, Ajax was better Excelsior scored two goals against a shocked Ajax (Wattamaleo and Bovenberg, Bovenberg goal didn't seem to be legit). Excelsior made two handballs in own penalty area, no penalties for Ajax. Also, Belgian international and central defender Vertonghen should've got a penalty. Halftime: 2-0.
Directly after halftime, Ajax central striker Mounir El Hamdaoui (former Excelsior player) scored a very beautiful 2-1. Excelsior made another handball in own penalty area, again no penalty. Ajax got 5 yellow cards, one legit and four bullshit cards, for fouls Excelsior didn't even get a free kick against them. Maarten Stekelenburg, Ajax and Dutch team keeper got injured (two weeks out) and substituted by Jeroen "Pizza" Verhoeven (3th keeper, very fat, which gives him his nickname "Pizza"). The whole second half barring injury time, Ajax was better. In the last minute before the injury time, Vertonghen scored a header out a corner. In the 6 minutes injury time, Verhoeven saved Ajax three times. Result: 2-2.
Referee Jan Wegereef didn't dare to explain things for the camera.
Ajax deserved a (small) win (2-4 would've been a better result suiting this game), but a draw with 10 players against 12 (referee+11 players of opponent) is a good result, even if you're a topclub playing against a mid-table club. Also, a legit Mounir El Hamdaoui in the first minute got f*cked by Wegereef.
Uruguayan right winger (goalkeeper against Ghana) Luis Suárez (I know some people are interested in how he performs) played average. No goals, others didn't score of his good assists (f*ck you Siem de Jong), so that doesn't count as assists.
Ajax defeated Excelsior with 0-2, scoring twice, but lost to referee Jan Wegereef. Wegereef defeated Ajax with 2-0. 2-0+0-2=2-2.
Ajax dropped one place, now they're #3.
I'm glad Man Utd finally got an Away win. Stoke is one of the toughest Away games in the Premier League as well - it was a vital win to stay in some kind of touch with Chelsea. However, Man Utd has Tottenham and Man City in their next three League games, Wolves being the other. It has to be at least seven points from these games, but if Chelsea keep winning, Man Utd or Man City will probably have to win the game with each other to keep some pressure at the top. A draw just makes both teams fall behind if Chelsea keep it up.
The whole Rooney saga was disappointing, he'll have to earn mine and most other fans respect again by performing well. However, I bet Sir Alex has used this against the Glazers to demand more funds. "If you're not letting us break the bank, our best players will leave and we can't compete for trophies any more". It is all down to money, and while the Glazers are in charge I don't think Man Utd will be convincing many players to join them over Real Madrid, Manchester City, or possibly Chelsea (even though they've been spending less lately) in the next few years because of the wages that can be offered, and of course, those teams will be competing for the same, or similar glory. I don't think people should be counting Man Utd out though, even with some problems they'll be in the top four and not too far away from winning the League.
The success of Man Utd since the top division in England was renamed the Premier League has been ridiculous. Man Utd has never finished outside of the top 3 in 18 years, I expect United to maybe keep up that tradition for at least another two years. But finishing 4th isn't out of the question.
The whole Rooney saga was disappointing, he'll have to earn mine and most other fans respect again by performing well. However, I bet Sir Alex has used this against the Glazers to demand more funds. "If you're not letting us break the bank, our best players will leave and we can't compete for trophies any more". It is all down to money, and while the Glazers are in charge I don't think Man Utd will be convincing many players to join them over Real Madrid, Manchester City, or possibly Chelsea (even though they've been spending less lately) in the next few years because of the wages that can be offered, and of course, those teams will be competing for the same, or similar glory. I don't think people should be counting Man Utd out though, even with some problems they'll be in the top four and not too far away from winning the League.
The success of Man Utd since the top division in England was renamed the Premier League has been ridiculous. Man Utd has never finished outside of the top 3 in 18 years, I expect United to maybe keep up that tradition for at least another two years. But finishing 4th isn't out of the question.
Altaria is now officially the Eredivisie reporter. Although he supports Ajax and loves Suarez he describes the games and makes me have interest for this League.
I'd offer myself to be a Liga Sagres/Zon reporter but I don't think anyone wants to know about it...
And I have to admit I watch more Premier League so I may be more helpful at that. xD
I'd offer myself to be a Liga Sagres/Zon reporter but I don't think anyone wants to know about it...
And I have to admit I watch more Premier League so I may be more helpful at that. xD
Thank you.
http://sports.yahoo.com/fbnl
Here you can follow the results and table.
I may be Ajax fan (Suárez and Stekelenburg are their best players), my summaries of Ajax games and other special games (PSV - Feyenoord, 10-0) are objective. No "colored" summaries, facts. And those say: Ajax lost to the referee and PSV defeated Feyenoord, which was more a weak Feyenoord than a good PSV.
People (me included) call the Eredivisie "Mickey Mouse League" because of the inferiority to the Ligue 1/Primera Division/Premier League/Serie A/Bundesliga (however, Eredivisie is best of the rest). But it's fun to watch. Each season there are some subtoppers in mid-table and some relegation candidates/mid-table clubs in subtop. It is a fun league, a lot of goals and surprising rankings. Also, the stadiums are big and always filled. And good players like Suárez can prove they're good enough for topclubs in the Europa League/Champions League and the World Cup, like Suárez did.
Ajax has a stadion with 52.960 seats and is always full of supporters. Compare that to Anfield Road (Liverpool, 45.362), City of Manchester Stadium (Manchester City, 48.000), White Hart Lane (Tottenham Hotspur, 36.240), Stamford Bridge (Chelsea, 42.055) and Goodison Park (Everton, 40.569) for example.
The classic top three is Ajax/PSV/Feyenoord, but since Feyenoord won the UEFA Cup, they've ended lower than FC Twente, back then a subtopper. Now FC Twente is a topclub and Feyenoord a mid-table/relegation candidate. The top three often consists of Ajax/PSV/FC Twente.
EL/CL rules. #1 directly reaches CL poules. #2 gets in the preround. #3 and #4 reach EL preround. #5, #6, #7 and #8 do playoffs, (two matches knockout system, 5 vs 8 and 6 vs 7, winners against each other twice). The winner reaches EL preround. The cup winner reaches EL preround too. If the cup winner is in the top 5, playoffs 6/7/8/9.
rank-club-games-wins-draws-losses-points-goals scored-goals against.
*=one point in lowering, financial reasons.
CORRUPTION
The Dutch football association KNVB always helps FC Twente. The former and current president both support FC Twente, and almost all referees come from Enschede (the city of FC Twente). The referees almost never help Ajax and Luis Suárez gets a yellow card for a schwalbe when he gets a "Nigel de Jong-kick". But good, Suárez is the "King of the Schwalbe".
Sunday was a good example. FC Twente won against ADO Den Haag with 3-2. ADO was better, FC Twente got an undeserved free kick and a bullshit penalty, which were two goals. Not fair.
Ajax got screwed: undeserved red cards, five yellow cards (one deserved, four bullshit), Excelsior made two yellow-worthy fouls (not given), three handballs in own penalty area on purpose (not punished), and Ajax made a legitimate goal which got cancelled. The referees intention was to screw Ajax, which happened: 2-2 visiting a promoted club.
These are facts, I do not say this because I am Ajax fan. If you don't believe me, check Wikipedia pages of referees, most are from Enschede and cities/villages close to Enschede, where almost everybody supports FC Twente.
And that happens almost each week: referees help FC Twente and try to f*ck Ajax, no fair competition. Also, for some reason, referees help PSV.
CONCLUSION
The Eredivisie is fun, exciting, a lot of goals are made. That makes up for the low level, it's a "best of the rest" competition. It's more fun than a big, defensive competition where the level is high, but almost every game is a boring 0-0 (Serie A). The level is probably higher than Russia/Greece/Turkey/Portugal/Scotland/Ukraine. The only downside: FC Twente gets referee help.
First million words: great.
Second sentence from the end: THE WORST THING YOU COULD HAVE SAID!
Have you heard about Sporting CP, SL Benfica and FC Porto?
The first produced half of the portuguese national team and has one of the best Academys in Europe.
The second is the current champion and 2 times Champions League winner (Eusebio played here).
The last was the best club in Europe under the management of Mourinho and is now the best portuguese club.
Theres also Braga who is growing really fast and is playing the Champions League after eliminating Celtic and Sevilla.
I'm sorry to say but not even PSV can handle the big 3 and I don't think it could beat Braga either.
Other than this, I loved the analysis and would like to see more from you.
Second sentence from the end: THE WORST THING YOU COULD HAVE SAID!
Have you heard about Sporting CP, SL Benfica and FC Porto?
The first produced half of the portuguese national team and has one of the best Academys in Europe.
The second is the current champion and 2 times Champions League winner (Eusebio played here).
The last was the best club in Europe under the management of Mourinho and is now the best portuguese club.
Theres also Braga who is growing really fast and is playing the Champions League after eliminating Celtic and Sevilla.
I'm sorry to say but not even PSV can handle the big 3 and I don't think it could beat Braga either.
Other than this, I loved the analysis and would like to see more from you.
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