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Kenpach2 said:

http://http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3468927nice offensive based team btw i suggest you get pusruit on you tyranitar for chasing run away ghosts and spinners. can you please check my teamhttp://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3468927

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Very solid team. I would lower Scizor's speed to about 24 and add the remaining to HP. This lets you be slower than Skarmory so that it can't Roost off Superpower.

You could use Ice Beam over Magic Coat on Deoxys to help check Gliscor and Dragons.

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Expert Physics said:

Hi, Elephant! Nice team. Well first off, I notice a weakness to entry hazards like Stealth Rock, since you're using Dragonite without Rapid Spin support. In those circumstances, Dragonite becomes less useful, so I would replace it by a Dragon Dance Haxorus. Haxorus is more powerful and faster, and it isn't weak to Stealth Rock. Haxorus is a beast on Heavy Offensive teams, as its raw power is devastating, especially if you have Stealth Rock and a couple of layers of Spikes up. After its rampage, your opponent's team will usually considerably be weakened, to the point where your other sweepers (Lucario, Scizor, Tyranitar) can easily finish off your opponent. Dragon Dance is the crux of the set, boosting Haxorus' Attack and Speed stat. Outrage coming off a 147 base attack is extremely powerful, and it gets a STAB boost. Earthquake hits Steel-types who are in Haxorus' way, and thanks to its ability, Mold Breaker, opponents like Gengar and Rotom-W get hit by the move, which kills them. Superpower is a final coverage move that lets you get past Ferrothorn and Air Balloon Heatran. Lum Berry cures status, which prevents confusion due to Outrage. A last change I would recommend is Hidden Power [Fire] instead of Magic Coat. Hidden Power Fire nails stuff like Scizor and Ferrothorn, while Magic Coat is rather useless, since you're already using Taunt. Cool team, and good luck! :D

Haxorus @ Lum Berry | Mold Breaker
Adamant Nature | 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe
Dragon Dance | Outrage | Earthquake | Superpower

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Harsha said:

yo,

this is a pretty solid heavy offense teams that sticks to the archetype of teams like apocalypse and it's obviously pretty solid. some things you should note are that you point out gengar is your spinblocker -- however with all of the changes in the metagame, starmie, tentacruel, forretress -- pretty much all of the "good" rapid spin users -- can break gengar down with ease. while you're using choice scarf tyranitar, that only really solves your starmie weakness. additionally, without rotom-w, this team becomes much weaker to rain stall than most heavy offense teams. like some others have suggested, i think the use of a bulkier scizor set would be extremely effective; an ev spread of 248 HP / 64 Atk / 196 SpD would really help out with longevity, and with a change of item to iron plate and superpower to roost, you suddenly become much more durable. this helps with most stall teams, and it also allows you to sponge draco meteor from latios like it is nothing.

while extremespeed does hit a lot of things that dragonite cannot outspeed, there's literally no solution to a well played tentacruel. for this reason, earthquake is probably warranted a spot over extremespeed, though i would agree that extremespeed is a very good move. if you aren't willing to go that route, another alternative could be the haxorus suggestion that someone posted earlier with a spread of 36 HP / 252 Atk / 220 Spe and an adamant nature with the moveset of swords dance, dragon dance, outrage, and earthquake. this wrecks stall teams that could be troublesome, but dragon dance can also be used to great effect because it ruins offensive teams as well. sorry if you had any problems reading this, as my current keyboard is rather awful. anyways, good team man. i hope i helped out!

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LucaroarkZ said:

When I looked at this team, what immediately came to mind is that you're using SubDisable Gengar. I understand how it's theoretically a very potent set, but SubDisable is incredibly predictable and way too easy to work around. For this reason, I recommend either a SubSplit or Sub+3 attacks Gengar. I'm also gonna go ahead and support the previous suggestions of using Haxorus, but I strongly favor Expert Physics's set as you should be able to get by Skarmory using some combination of strategies with Gengar and Lucario. Your current Scizor set is ok, but I recommend running no more than 36 Speed EVs because 36 is the maximum number of Speed EVs possible to still be slower than Skarmory, which is very useful as this prevents it from Roosting against Superpower.

This next bit is more or less me being picky, but I think you could use Night Shade > Magic Coat on Deoxys-D. Magic Coat is not that useful, and Night Shade gives it a way of dealing damage so it's not complete Taunt bait.

Good luck!

Sets:

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SubSplit Gengar:
Gengar @ Life Orb
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Substitute
-Pain Split
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast

Sub+3 attacks Gengar:
Gengar @ Leftovers
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
-Substitute
-Shadow Ball
-Focus Blast
-Hidden Power Fire

Haxorus set explained in Expert Physics's post

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Pocket said:

On teams like these, Scarfers are bad choices, since they present opportunities for the opponent to set up a sweep - and you have no defense to fall back on. Rather than Scarfers, powerful LO-boosted priorities or naturally faster mons are the way to go.

That said, I would replace Scarf Tar for Rotom-W. Rotom-W provides you with a great switch-in to Spinners, such as Starmie, Donphan, and Tentacruel. They become liabilities, providing free switch-ins for Rotom-W and forfeiting momentum as Rotom-W Volt Switches out to establish a favorable match-up for your offensive team. Rotom-W also comes in handy against Gliscor and to a lesser extent Mamoswine. Thunder Wave / Wisp is a good way to put a stopper on Latias, Virizion, etc, but most of the time Rotom-W would be Volt Switching out to maintain the upper edge. HP Grass prevents Gastrodon from stopping Rotom-W's Volt Switch shenanigans (50% min, 2HKO with Rocks).

Rotom-W @ Leftovers
Modest | 252 HP / 140 SpA / 116 SpD
~ Volt Switch
~ Hydro Pump
~ HP Grass
~ Thunder Wave / Will-O-Wisp

With Rotom-W, you have little reason to use Scarf Chandelure; I'd revert back to Gengar for spin-blocking purposes. I actually agree with LucaroarkZ - Substitute | Shadow Ball | Focus Blast | Pain Split / Hypnosis / Destiny Bond | @ Life Orb Gengar are particularly lethal. Now that TTar's gone, Gengar can hold Life Orb without killing itself. And Disable is much too predictable and easily manipulated.

Alternatively, you may want to consider using Bulk Up Acrobatics Tornadus-Therian over Gengar for a Pokemon that can revenge Starmie, opposing Gengar, Latios, etc without utilizing weaker priority moves.

BU Acrobatics Tornadus-T

Tornadus-T @ Flying Gem
Jolly | 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
~ Bulk Up
~ Acrobatics
~ Superpower
~ Taunt / U-turn

NOTE: Heat Wave may be an option with Naive nature to roast Skarmory

By removing Tyranitar, you can actually make use of Dragonite's MultiScale. I would keep Dragonite, because it comes in handy for checking Sun teams / Volcarona. You may consider attaching Life Orb to enhance Dragonite's ExtremeSpeed's revenge-killing capabilities. Even with Life Orb, Dragonite would still have MultiScale intact to get up that free DD, and the power boost is significant.

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