Okay so, Spiffy/aska time
Spiffy
Day 1:
Eh what can I say, asks a lot, corrects newbies a lot. Standard play there. Not suspicious, neither cleans him. Nothing to see here that isn't just wifom.
Day 2:
Gets pressured early, then everyone gets off him because he reacts well to the pressure. Plays standard, then I tie the vote and SS votes himself. And Spiffy with his vote free to use, gets to make the decision. Well he reasons that SS did a very town like thing by untying the vote(Will not argue with this, because I can understand why he thinks that). On the other hand, lets assume the situation, where Spiffy decides to save Eagle instead. He'd be the hammer, he'd be a major suspect alongside Eagle. Now sure, I actually thought this was a WIFOM, did he vote Eagle because he was village, or because he was a mafia who thought Eagle was not worth the risk. Alas having reread it, I realised that a third option exist, safer, and more favourable for a possible mafia Spiffy. Simply not voting! He couldn't risk saving Eagle himself, but pseudo hammering Eagle had no actual positive effect for a possible scum Spiffy, the WIFOM I explained above would still be valid. But if he didn't vote, there was a chance no one at all may, and no one would ever connect Spiffy with the lynch. Oh sure what if Spiffy thought of that and decided to hammer because he knew someone would know that he knew they would pick Rock.
Fact is a less risky, and more rewarding option existed for a mafia in that situation, and Spiffy didn't take it. Naturally Spiffy may not have realised it, but honestly I doubt it. WHY DO I FIND TOWN, I'M DOING THIS FOR MAFIA.
Day 3:
A decent percent of his posts are either asking about who x would hammer between Z and Y and stating that SS won't be killed rest being, well just the same. Consistent, I like that, but gives me little to say!
Day 4:
It's freaking day 4, it's like the posts are the water, and the thread became a desert!
End result: The pseudo hammer puts him on the towner side now that I realised the superior option a mafia could have taken in his position. Arguments can exist against it, but not much more likely than zorbees selling out Eagle at the end of day 1.
askaninjask(gimme some scumtells please!):
Day 1:
Very little posted on day 1, honestly all together it surprises me that he got the last two Sentries while having less posts than ME. He did nothing wrong those posts, but I have stated when I tried doing jalmont in the past, too little to go off.
Day 2:
Gets more active and jumps on the I want look into Eagle bandwagon. I was okay with zorbees pointing it out first end of day 1(actually Spiffy also quoted and even earlier post where zorbees throws up Eagle's name the be checked out), but at this point in time, I do not think it can be considered anything but WIFOM, especially when he doesn't actually vote Eagle. Not to mention that perviously he wasn't that vague, if he had a suspicion he went for it hard(well to be correct it was p much spiffy only), why was he avoiding doing the same with Eagle there. Sure not putting a vote I can understand, the Spiffy pressuring was still well under way then, but a person can still attempt to pressure without a vote.(Can't decide if I'm getting too desperate trying to find scum, or I actually have a point... I believe and hope it's the latter)
Spiffy pressuring ends, he votes Eagle now, following the reasoning everyone used, "that" post is suspicious(not saying it isn't, just stating facts). But the first votes happened a while before that, and aska has already posted after the said post, though he did post that he wouldn't have time to post much that night.... Circumstances really don't allow me to consider his Eagle vote as evidence.
After his vote though, he kind of vanishes, two more posts after but for a big time in the end, nothing till after the lynch, a bit less than 3 days difference(who am I to talk about inactivity, but he did hog the sentry, makes it worse!)
Day 3:
His first reply is... explaining how others meant the buddying reasoning for a Walrein lynch to Walrein? I don't know why I find this off, maybe because I expect people to actually make cases at the start of the day? Or is it that he returned so nonchalantly from 2.7 days of absence? Meh
Later he gives a bogus reasoning against zorbees: "One thing that I did find really odd, however, when I looked back through Day 1, was that zorbees switched his random vote from Eagle4 to someone else before Eagle4 ever responded. Eagle4 goes on to completely ignore this post for the remainder of the game until his death. I think that Eagle4 may have thought that he did not need to respond to zorbees's random vote, perhaps because he felt he didn't need to respond to a teammate's pressure... zorbees also is the kind of player who would random vote a teammate first."
Ignoring the whole WIFOM thing, this is about perviously mentioned early day 1 zorbees post. Classic zorbees move, pick a guy who hasn't been discussed, make people check him out. Did it with Spiffy, did it with Eagle(twice with Eagle even). Now the problem here is, that zorbees actually repeated the, look up Eagle post at the end of day 1, which breaks this WIFOM apart, since zorbees had every intention to NOT LET EAGLE GO UNNOTICED.(Minus the case where he is a very evil genius)
And there goes his activity from day 2, I honestly am surprised he got sentry again, when he was hardly as active, especially on a day where the vote was from the get go much closer. Consistence, it matters.
Day 4: Hi my name is Day 4 and I don't know why LightWolf even bothers to write me into his thingies.
End Result: The combination of the tepid attempt at Eagle, general mistrust towards experienced players, 1 case of bogus reasoning, 2 cases of sentry hogging, a dose of lack of sleep and a high hope of aska actually ending up seeming scummy made me lean towards scummy in his case. Hooray. And hooray I finished, I'M FREE(till I make another stupid promise gah)
So yeah, realising the existence of zorbees' much earlier eagle post is good enough to make me get over his experienced status(should have gone over the RVS posts more carefully, should have learned my lesson already when I found the Empoof+Eagle voting from it, third time's the charm)
Well things didn't change. citro gave me no good enough reason to not let him live till we can hear stuff from him. SL didn't post much, which while doesn't help himself or the vilage, I doubt it'd help me to get him lynched finally. So congrats aska, you get my vote. Vote askaninjask
Do point out if it feels I cut of somewhere, or it like makes no sense, I swear I could have deleted half of a paragraph once, but then couldn't find anything missing... Or senseless typos like "right" instead of "risk" like what the fuck...