Getting the Right IVs: SO FRUSTRATING!

Kristy Haruka

I don't know how you guys keep up with it! I'm a perfectionist, so I feel that I need to get above average IVs! I've been SO obsessed with getting a good IVed Buizel that I am pretty much giving up on getting one. I can't even train Pokemon for fun anymore. =(

Is there a special trick to get good IVs on a Pokemon? How do I get into Pokemon again without getting obsessed over this EVIL disease?

Oh, and I don't have WiFi so that adds to the suck-age!
 
id suggest collecting good ived dittos, jolly ditto for buizel. lots of ppl have good ived dittos on here.

EDIT: It will b hard if u dont have wifi. Iv battles are needed for exact ivs.
 
Nope, no magic tricks I'm afraid. Just shitloads of patience and motivation. These days I take like 10+ hours to get a competitive Pokemon. I do miss the days where I could just catch a wild Meowth, withdraw it, evolve it, level it up and be content. But doing it this way just leads to more depth and fulfilment. It also leads to more stress though. :x

There are tips that you can use though:

Look out for characteristics like Often Dozes Off, Likes to Thrash About, Capable of Taking Hits, Mischevious, Somewhat Vain and Alert to Sounds as these mean your Pokemon (potentially) has a 31 in the corresponding stat. Everytime you get one that is great, but not good enough to make your squad, replace it with the parent that is currently in. This is called chain breeding, and the parents will get gradually better to the point where you get what you're looking for.

Congrats on the Homecoming Queen thing too. I was never a Homecoming queen. :(
 
The problem is is that I don't have time to IV train...

Maybe the Ditto thing will work. Thanks for the help!

And Lee you are so cute! Are you even a girl!?
 
Have you read the breeding guide? If not, read it. If you have and you didn't heed its advice, heed it. If you have and heeded its advice, be patient.
 
I've been having a bitch of a time trying to pass of perfect HP and Spd to this one Pokemon despite the fact both parents have the perfect HP and Spd >.>
 
I always sorta regarded EV's there for fixing up IV's. Only time I'd bother with near perfect IV's is for things I really like (I can sorta understand the Buizel stuff)

Unfortunately I do find the easiest way to breed is if you have access to a second game and also wifi.
 
ive been breeding for an adamant DD Bagon for probnably 4 weeks now, probably bred over 100 pokemon and im still not there.

the closest i got stat wise and it was LAX:/ i was neer happy with that. now he is my parent and there is another.

i did breed one that was 30 attack and 30 speed which is a good all rounder but i really wanted 31/31 etc so im still going.

im finding that trading is the better way to go, but the problem is finding good trading material to get the poke you want:/
 
milotic111 said:
Thats a part of the problem she (?) doesn't have excess to wi-fi.

If you want good IV's, you'll need to have patience and good breeding parents.
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I used to not have wifi either. I just stole the connection from neighbors. One time I was sitting on the front porch of a person's house without saying a word to get 3 trades done and over with.
 
ive been breeding for an adamant DD Bagon for probnably 4 weeks now, probably bred over 100 pokemon and im still not there.

the closest i got stat wise and it was LAX:/ i was neer happy with that. now he is my parent and there is another.

i did breed one that was 30 attack and 30 speed which is a good all rounder but i really wanted 31/31 etc so im still going.

im finding that trading is the better way to go, but the problem is finding good trading material to get the poke you want:/
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unluckey my first bagon (litrely the first one I hached) had 31attk/speed+good nature(rash for a mixmence) within 4 days I had this
Bagon
rash
Hp 19
attack 31
defence 31
sp. Attack 31
sp. Defence 11
speed 31

and lack of wi-fi means I cant trade it.
 
Just wait until you wanna breed for Hidden Power XO

Anyways, the Ditto tip does work, and do this: (This is from a guy on PokeCommunity, and so far, this has worked somewhat well for me)

For this example, I'm gonna use a Bold Chikorita I'm currently breeding for a breeding project:

What is needed:
-25 Dittos, one for each Nature (actually you only really need only the natures in question, it just helps for future reference)
-6 Dittos, one for each 31 IV'd stat (i.e. one with HP31, one with ATK31, etc.)
-Everstone

1. Breed a Male Chikorita with one of the 31 IV Dittos (I'm currently breeding for HP), until you get another Male Chikorita, only this one should have a 31 IV in HP.

2. Slap an Everstone onto a Ditto with the preferred Nature (i.e. Bold). Breed a Female Chikorita with the above mentioned Ditto, until you get a Female Bold Chikorita. Take the Everstone from Ditto and slap it onto the baby female Bold Chikorita.

3. Breed the Male from Step 1 with the Female from Step 2 to (eventually) get a Female Bold Chikorita with an HP IV of 31. Take the Everstone from the female from Step 2 and slap it onto the new Female.

4. Repeat Step 1, only with a different IV (i.e. Defense).

At this point you should have a Female Bold Chikorita (w/ Everstone) w/ a 31 Defense IV and a Male Chikorita with a 31 HP IV.

5. Breed the two mentioned above, until you have a Female Bold Chikorita w/ a 31 IV in both Defense and HP. Slap an Everstone onto her.

6. NOW, get a new Male Chikorita with any Egg Moves or TMs or whatever you would like the final baby to have (mine will have Leech Seed & Grasswhistle). Breed this with a THIRD Ditto with a 31 IV (let's do Speed for this one). Eventually you will get a Male Chikorita w/ a 31 IV in Speed., as well as the Egg Moves/TMs in question.

At this point you should have:
-Female Bold Chikorita w/ 31 IV (HP), 31 IV (Defense) & Everstone
-Male Chikorita w/ 31 IV (Speed) & Leech Seed/Grasswhistle

7. Breed those two to get the final product (eventually):
-Chikorita
31/x/31/x/x/31
Bold (+Def., -Atk.)
-Leech Seed
-Grasswhistle
-?
-?

It's definitely time consuming, but certainly worthwhile in the long run.
 
Jebroni said:
Yea just trade for all of your wants.
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Bleh, trading is for cheapskates. I prefer homegrowing my own Pokemon. Besides, I prefer giving my Pokemon nicknames.

As for the IV breeding thing, yes, you really should take a look at the breeding guide.

Part I (Contains the basics of IV breeding)
Part II
Part III
Part IV

I'd also recommend breeding 'batches' of eggs. Take two parents, and make a batch of 10-12 eggs with them. From those eggs, take the best male and the best female, and breed them. This way, each generation gets continually better IVs, as long as you know what you're doing.

As for checking IVs, I prefer using the Rare Candy trick to IV battles. Take a bunch of Rare Candies, and when used in combination with MetalKid's IV Calculator, you can get a good idea of what your Poke's IVs are. You only need 10 or so Candies to get a good idea of your Pokes' IVs, but if you want the exact values, you'll need 24 or more (clone Candies in Emerald to do this).

EDIT: RLan, are you sure you can breed HP and both Defense IVs? According to the breeding guide:
LAWL BREEDING GUIDE said:
Parent A has the following IVs: 21, 7, 26, 15, 4, 10.
Parent B has the following IVs: 5, 3, 16, 30, 28, 20.
(These, and all IV sets that will be listed, are written in the following order: HP IV, Attack IV, Defense IV, Special Attack IV, Special Defense IV, and Speed IV.)

First, the baby's IVs are generated at random: 18, 0, 9, 14, 11, 27.

Then a parent's random IV is chosen, and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Speed IV is chosen first. So now the baby's IVs are: 18, 0, 9, 14, 11, 10.

Then a parent's random IV (other than an HP IV) is chosen, and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Defense IV is chosen.
So now the baby's IVs are: 18, 0, 26, 14, 11, 10.

Finally, a parent's random IV (other than an HP or a Defense IV) is chosen, and inherited to the baby. Suppose Parent B's Special Attack IV is chosen. And the baby's IVs thus become: 18, 0, 26, 30, 11, 10.
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The way it's worded, it doesn't sound like you can pass down HP and both Defenses. I could be horribly wrong, though.
 
I can give you an example of a typical breeding chain. I'm currently breeding timid spoink; so I'll use that as an example.

Breed for the mother:

x/x/x/x/x/x wild spoink + x/x/x/x/x/31 random ditto = x/x/x/x/x/31 spoink
x/x/x/x/x/31 spoink + x/x/x/31/x/x/x random ditto = x/x/x/31/x/31 spoink
x/x/x/31/x/31 spoink + 31/x/x/x/x/x random ditto = 31/x/x/31/x/31 spoink
31/x/x/31/x/31 spoink + x/x/x/x/x/31 timid ditto w/ everstone = 31/x/x/31/x/31 female timid spoink

Breed for father:
You need to get all of the egg moves onto a male. If there is none; use the female in the above step.

x/x/x/x/x/x male spoink+ x/x/x/x/x/x/31 random ditto = x/x/x/x/x/31 male spoink
x/x/x/x/x/31 male spoink + x/x/x/31/x/x/x random ditto = x/x/x/31/x/31 male spoink
x/x/x/31/x/31 male spoink + x/x/x/x/31/x random ditto = x/x/x/31/31/31 male spoink

Please note that if there are no egg moves; only the final needs to be male; otherwise all intermediate pokemon needs to be male.

Final Stage:
31/x/x/31/x/31 w/ everstone + x/x/x/31/31/31 = Final Product
Replace, either the male or female if you get a better parent.

As you get better and better dittos/males; the breeding chain gets smaller and smaller.
 
If you don't have wifi, I'd recommend saving as many rare candies or palparking clones of them at least, and use metalkid's tool to help calculate IVs. It may be more tedious and time-consuming than IV battles but will do if without wifi.
 
Actually, I've found the Rare Candy trick to be quick and easy. But then again, I don't have Wi-Fi, so I wouldn't know about IV battles. But wouldn't you still have to set up an IV battle with someone else? Seems like a pain to me.
 
EDIT: RLan, are you sure you can breed HP and both Defense IVs? According to the breeding guide:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat LAWL BREEDING GUIDE
Parent A has the following IVs: 21, 7, 26, 15, 4, 10.
Parent B has the following IVs: 5, 3, 16, 30, 28, 20.
(These, and all IV sets that will be listed, are written in the following order: HP IV, Attack IV, Defense IV, Special Attack IV, Special Defense IV, and Speed IV.)

First, the baby's IVs are generated at random: 18, 0, 9, 14, 11, 27.

Then a parent's random IV is chosen, and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Speed IV is chosen first. So now the baby's IVs are: 18, 0, 9, 14, 11, 10.

Then a parent's random IV (other than an HP IV) is chosen, and passed to the baby. Suppose Parent A's Defense IV is chosen.
So now the baby's IVs are: 18, 0, 26, 14, 11, 10.

Finally, a parent's random IV (other than an HP or a Defense IV) is chosen, and inherited to the baby. Suppose Parent B's Special Attack IV is chosen. And the baby's IVs thus become: 18, 0, 26, 30, 11, 10.
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The way it's worded, it doesn't sound like you can pass down HP and both Defenses. I could be horribly wrong, though.
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It seems that you can, I just realized from your example that HP MUST be passed first, then DEF, then anything else. I'll fix my post for that.
 
That's weird...why would they forbid that from happening? Alright, I'll fix the post for speed. Luckily, I'm only breeding HP IVs for that Chiko right now XD
 
Sometimes being a perfectionist also means to be realist and not spend hours trying to get something you know will never ever be perfect.

Trying to get insane IVs has more to do with being an obstinate hard-headed than being a perfectionist imo.
 
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