New Tier -- OU non-weather

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Hi people, as you can see, I'm relatively new, so if this thread is placed in the wrong forum, do forgive.

However, here's not what you opened this link for, back to business

As you all know, 5th gen. OU is defined by weather, often the person with their weather inducer surviving longer than the opponents win the match. This is because there are permanent weather inducers that include, but are not limited to: "Abomasnow, Tyranitar, Politoed, and Ninetails" Therefore, almost every team out there contains one of these Pokemon, either to bolster their own team, or to counter somebody else's.

But, what if there was no permanent weather in 5th gen. OU, what would be the new aspects that would come? Perhaps there would be more prominent use of pokemon such as Thunderus or Scrafty, who are weak to all kinds of weather, less usage of Pokemon such as Ludicolo or Excadrill, who depend on their respective weathers to function properly.

Although this idea may seem absurd to some, I think it's a fantastic idea. It brings a completely new aspect to the 5th gen. OU tier as we know it, and could be a way for people to try new tactics. Overall, it'd be a new, and possibly better, metagame than the one we know now.

Please state your opinions!
 
iirc the Pokemon Online server does have a "Clear Skies" tier which is the same as weatherless. Not sure if it is implemented on smogon though(I really think it shouldn't).
 
We're not going to implement every tier that someone comes up with that you might enjoy. If this were the case, we'd have such insanity as Middle Cup or Terrorist Cup implemented on the server, and you'll notice that we don't. I appreciate your suggestion, but let's focus on our main tiers. ;)
 
I understand where you're coming from R_D, however, it remains a fact that many of the "insanity" tiers that you are talking about are things like (BAN ME PLEASE) Cup or Terrorist Cup, things that people thought would be a joke but never put any serious thought into.

However, the plan that I have proposed is something entirely different, as I have previously stated, I would like to take off the limits to the new Gen. 5 tier, it is obvious that there will be those who agree AND disagree with this. Therefore, I would like to see what people would prefer. Obviously, chances are this will not pass for the reasons you have stated, but I'd still like to take a shot at this.
 
This is already on the beta server, which has a ladder for at least 30 tiers. We don't want to end up like that. There is a tournament going on using this, and if you ask for battles like this I'm sure you can find it (I'm pretty sure this doesn't come under the asking for battles in the chat rule, since there is no ladder). RD brings up a good point, in why have this as a tier but not middle cup, or NFE, terrorist cup, 3v3, etc. 3v3 or doubles aren't jokes, and neither is MC or NFE. So in the end we are kind of stuck in the dilemma of having 30 ladders like PO or sticking to our "official" tiers, of which we chose the latter.
 
To be fair, we cannot say "Any tier that someone has put serious thought into should be implemented on the server." There are already dozens of metagames on the server as it stands, and we have to be extraordinarily careful about adding new ones, because then we have to turn around and support them all across the site. (Such as how we allow Dream World RMTs, for instance) There is a point where enough is enough.

You're free—and encouraged—to discuss such a weatherless metagame in Dragonspiral Tower if you prepare a solid OP and such. But keep in mind that even if we made this metagame, it wouldn't lessen any of the burden on BW OU's tiering, since BW OU is its own entity that gets tiered on its own without concern for other metagames. If weather is to get banned eventually in BW OU, then it will happen regardless if we support another weatherless metagame or not. Your proposal doesn't help with that.

Regardless, I would strongly prefer any discussion on the viability and enjoyment of this metagame to be kept to DST.
 
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