Petilil (Analysis)

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Petilil


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[Overview]

<p>Petilil is one of the new Pokemon to enter the Little Cup tier this generation, and itfinds itself fitting most snugly into the Drought teams of the metagame. With Chlorophyll as its ability, Petilil can wreak havoc in the sun and be an enormous threat to the opponent's team with its blazing Speed and good movepool. Resistances to common attacking types such as Ground and Water are very valuable too. Petilil can fit many different roles and is a great choice for any Drought team.</p>

[SET]
name: Special Attacker
move 1: Growth
move 2: SolarBeam / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sleep Powder
item: Eviolite / Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set turns Petilil into a very threatening sweeper with Drought support from Vulpix. Petilil hits a Speed stat of 26 when factoring the boost from Chlorophyll, making it faster than any Pokemon who does not carrya Choice Scarf, and even a good handful of those who do. Petilil has two great options for its Grass-type STAB. First of which is SolarBeam,which deals tons of damage right away and can be spammed pretty safely except for when your opponent is carrying a weather changer such as Snover or Hippopotas. Giga Drain is quite a bit weaker but you don't have to worry as much about spamming it. Growth is a great move and if Petilil is able to pick one up, it can run over virtually any Pokemon in Little Cup. Hidden Power Fire makes a great coverage choice to go along with Petilil's Grass-type move. Sleep Powder helps Petilil handle any threats that it can't reliably handle otherwise.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Using Sleep Powder to give you an opportunity to pick up a boost or two from Growth is usually a pretty good idea. It is important to remember thatif Drought ever leaves the field for whatever reason, Petilil is really slow without Chlorophyll, so you need to be careful in risk management when you see Snover or Hippopotas on the opposing team. Life Orb will boost Petilil's sweeping ability even further, but leaves it much less durable. Eviolite almost guarantees that Petilil can live at least one hit as well as avoid the recoil damage that Petilil would be suffering when using Life Orb. Eviolite also can be crucial in Petilil surviving a priority move from a revenge killer, although the lack of power when using Eviolite can be a turn-off. Vulpix is needed to make this all happen effectively, so keeping Vulpix ready and able to ensure Drought stays up throughout the match is absolutely necessary. Pokemon that beat anti-weather Pokemon in general are good. Examples include Meditite, withIce Punch to handle Cloud Nine Pokemon like Swablu and Lickitung. As with any Drought team, pairing Petilil with a Fire-type Pokemon gives it great synergy as Petilil reliably takes Earthquakes and Surfs whereas the Fire-type can take Ice- and Fire-type moves aimed at Petilil.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Petilil really doesn't have much else going for it outside of the sets listed above. Petilil gets Synthesis which can be a gimmicky but useful move in the sun. Petilil has access to Stun Spore for additional team support, but that is about it. If the team is is paranoid about sun going down and that Vulpix won't be enough to keep it up through the match, Petilil can carry Sunny Day for insurance. Petilil also has access to Healing Wish, though chances are you won't get much benefit from using it. Modest is viable on the sweeper set as it can give Petilil a decent boost in power in exchange for some Speed. Petilil can pull off a SubSeed set, but it is generally outclassed there by Pokemon such as Oddish.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Snover absolutely stops Petilil in its tracks as long as you are very careful not to bring it into a Hidden Power Fire. Any Petilil regardless of its set is extremely vulnerable if the sun ever goes down for whatever reason. Fire-type Pokemon in general should be able to handle Petilil as long as you're wary of being put to sleep by Petilil's Sleep Powder. if Petilil lacks Hidden Power Fire, then Ferroseed and most other Steel-type Pokemon should be able to take care of it. Dratini makes a good counter to it as well since it can come into either Petilil's Grass-type STAB or a Hidden Power Fire and retaliate with ExtremeSpeed.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Leaf Guard pales in comparison to Chlorophyll; there is never a reason to use it.</p>
 

Al_Alchemist

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EV PHENOMENOM

Ok seriously, I don't know what it is about Petilil but literally anyone who tries to ev it in typing always seems to make it change what should really be the evs. I'm going to put an end to it first of all, this is the ev spread you should use and please don't change it again.

For Eviolite set since 68 hp gets you no HP points and nor does 74 (which is the leftovers from the remaining points after everything else), you'd do this even if you had 76 left though, on account of Eviolite numbers or not messing up HP numbers:
36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

As for the comments, Petilil hits 26 speed with 13 speed in sun, not 24 like you have in the first set's comments.

Instead of saying a handful of scarfers, say ones that reach 18 speed stat before scarf, or something like that, because that title is only reserved to things like very fast Pokes like Misdreavus and Gligar and stuff. The "Using Sleep Powder..." sentence is worded oddly, switch around some words. Move Vulpix to front of additional comments section maybe, or not if teammates are supposed to be last in order via rules/guidelines, either way Vulpix shouldn't have to be last, since you can't really have a "Drought Sweeper" without Drought (which only Vulpix has so yeah...). Also, mention teammates that can kill stuff Petilil really can't get past through, such as Vulpix, Lickitung, etc.. possibly a fighting type or something I'm not sure, but Vulpix can't be its only viable possible teammate.

Mention reasons as to why you should use this Sub Seed set over other arguably better suited Pokemon, instead of just, "Hey it can do it so why not just make it a set."

Maybe even take off Life Orb from the first set, if you want LO Sweeper, go with Oddish who is bulkier, stronger and has Sludge Bomb + STAB with it, but only lacks Growth. However, iff you're trying to sweep with a LO Growth Petilil, you're doing it wrong, I see almost no benefits from the LO, as you wouldn't get anymore more OHKOs/2HKOs than you would from a non boosted Eviolite Growth worth sacrificing all that bulk for. And if your not using it for a Growth sweeper then what's the point, I'd say move it to OO, but whatever. Others might like the horribly minuscule benefits there is to LO (Growth) attacks, as opposed to the obviously better Eviolite defensive boosts (doesn't die to anything in one hit man!).

Good stuff, I'll add on more later, but I'm pretty damn tired GO PETILIL SUN!

Edit: Just skimming through before I hit the sack. The counters section: remove "if Petilil for some reason is not" and replace it with "If Petilil lacks," don't need to make the giga drain leech seeder feel stupid now do you? Lickitung and Munchlax need mentions. Say how Snover beats it, i.e., its Snow Warning is autohail cancels out Petilil's drought and Snover outspeeds it almost all of the time, then OHKOs with Blizzard. But of course, it needs to watch out for Sleep Powder / HP Fire. Mention probably how everything needs to watch out for Sleep Powder, besides ResTalkers like Lickitung, Lickitung owns the crap out of Petilil night and day.

Edit 2: Only for you Zeph oof xD.

Edit 3:
What arguably does Subseeding better than it? and Eviolite is the default option, Life Orb is just an alternative, so that is why it is there.
Well actually you should probably remove that set altogether, since Oddish can do the same exact thing, but with much better stats, STAB Sludge Bomb, all the same moves, a Poison-Typing (only taking away EQ resist which doesn't matter since it wins vs. Gligar anywho and a lot carry Aerial Ace, while giving a Psychic weakness which is definitely not a common attacking type, except on Slowpoke, whom does shit damage anywho and isn't even that common of a move on him, whereas Fire Blast is anywho, making this double irrelevent...). Poison-Typing also gives it Fighting-Type and other resists. I suppose you could go for the surprise factor, but if that's all Petilil has got going for it with that set, I'd say drop it, making it OO at best. I don't think it can do much better other than using the moves it has unique to itself, i.e. the ones Oddish doesn't have, which are something like: Growth, Healing Wish, Aromatherapy, etc. (I'm not sure what else but even those last two aren't that good, I know I've tested them :P).

LO sucks really bad though, it doesn't deserve to be an alternative, is what I'm saying. It seems like it has some benefit as to getting some extra kills and such, but it really doesn't, and with Eviolite, and Petilil's fantastic enough bulk / Sleep Powder, it will be extremely easy to get off a Growth. If you want to attack or are worried you might not be able to attack before you get off a Growth, then you are better off with LO Oddish, who's so much better at it.

Take out the doesn't have much going for it parts in OO, here's some stuff you can add... Synthesis, and the above stuff, lol. GET A MOVE ON ZEPH !_!

Don't you wonder what LC would be like if Oddish had Growth sigh, only thing saving you Petilil :/.
 

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Thank you suspiciously homosexual user.

What arguably does Subseeding better than it? and Eviolite is the default option, Life Orb is just an alternative, so that is why it is there.
 
Don't you wonder what LC would be like if Oddish had Growth sigh, only thing saving you Petilil :/.
There's still Bellsprout y'know.

OC Modest? 24 Speed is still very good.

Mention what it has over other Chlorophyllers, like EQ resist and Psychic neutrality and no Mach Punch weakness and Sleep Powder and Growth all in the same set.

Which is unique to it? I think?

btw Dratini is a kickass counter, resists both attacks, Espeed, Shed Skin...
 

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Couple of PokeGrammar things just skimming through it

1. SubSeed is one word

2. It's spelt SolarBeam with a capital B

3. sun is never capitalized (except when at the front of the sentence). It's the same for rain, hail, and sandstorm. They are only capitalized when you're using the move, such as Rain Dance, Sunny Day, Hail, or Sandstorm.

4. Don't put brackets around the Hidden Power type. I see in the second set you have it as Hidden Power [Fire]. Don't do that.

5. EVs isn't capitalized under [SET]. EVs is capitalized in the analysis itself though.

6. In the second set under [SET], SDef should be SpD.

7. Wish in Healing Wish is capitalized, (in OO).
 

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actually i kinda changed my mind. Oddish outclasses Petitil as a sub seeder. Oddish has more bulk, attack, and immunity to Toxic Spikes.

Sub seed to oo imo.

*takes back stamp*


edit: gives stamp back
 
<p>Snover absolutely stops Petilil in it's tracks as long as your very careful not to bring it into a Hidden Power Fire. Any Petilil regardless of its set is extremely vulnerable if the sun is ever to go down for any reason. Fire-type Pokemon in general should be able to handle Petilil as long as you're wary of getting put to Sleep by Petilil's Sleep Powder. if Petilil lacks Hidden Power Fire, then Ferroseed and most other Steel-type Pokemon should be able to take care of it. Dratini makes a good counter to it as well since it can come into either Petilil's Grass-type STAB or a Hidden Power Fire and retaliate with ExtremeSpeed.</p>
Your set always runs HP Fire, so Tesshiido and Steel types shouldn't be there.

Also, +2 Return would probably dent dragons and fires, who are all pretty frail and rarely run Eviolite. Fires are SR weak too. OC?

EDIT: the ones who aren't total idiots will :/
 

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Your set always runs HP Fire, so Tesshiido and Steel types shouldn't be there.

Also, +2 Return would probably dent dragons and fires, who are all pretty frail and rarely run Eviolite. Fires are SR weak too. OC?
Just because the analysis says to use Hidden Power Fire doesn't mean everyone who runs Petilil will use it lol
 

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[Overview]

<p>Petilil is one of the new Pokemon to enter the Little Cup tier in this generation. Petilil finds itself fitting most snugly into the Drought teams of the metagame. With Chlorophyll as Petilil's ability, it can wreak havoc in the sun and be an enormous threat to the opponent's team with its blazing Speed and good movepool. Resistances to common attacking types such as Ground and Water are very valuable. Petilil can fit many different roles in the team and is a great choice for any Drought team.</p>

[SET]
name: Special Attacker
move 1: Growth
move 2: SolarBeam / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sleep Powder
item: Eviolite / Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set turns Petilil into a very threatening sweeper with Drought support from Vulpix. Petilil hits a Speed stat of 26 when factoring the boost from Chlorophyll, which making it faster than any Pokemon not carrying a Choice Scarf, and even a good handful of those who do. Petilil has two great options for its Grass-type STAB. First of which is SolarBeam which deals tons of damage right away and can be spammed pretty safely except for when your opponent is carrying a weather changer such as Snover or Hippopotas. Giga Drain is quite a bit weaker but you don't have to worry as much about spamming it. Growth is a great move and if Petilil is able to pick one up it can run over virtually any Pokemon in Little Cup. Hidden Power Fire makes a great coverage choice to go along with Petilil's Grass-type move. Sleep Powder helps Petilil handle any threats that it can't reliably handle otherwise.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Using Sleep Powder to give you an opportunity to pick up a boost or two from Growth is usually a pretty good idea. It is important to remember if Drought ever leaves the field for whatever reason, that Petilil is really slow without Chlorophyll so you need to be careful in risk management when you see Snover or Hippopotas on the opposing team. Life Orb will boost Petilil's sweeping ability even further, but leaves it much less durable. Eviolite almost guarantees that Petilil can live at least one hit as well as avoiding the recoil damage that Petilil would be suffering when using Life Orb. Eviolite also can be crucial in Petilil surviving a priority move from a revenge killer, although the lack of power when using Eviolite can be a turn-off. Vulpix is needed to make this all happen effectively, so keeping Vulpix ready and able to ensure Drought stays up through out the match is absolutely necessary. Pokemon that beat anti-weather Pokemon in general are good. Examples include Meditite that carries a STAB Fighting-type move and Ice Punch to handle users of Cloud Nine like Swablu and Lickitung is valuable. As with any Drought team, pairing Petilil with a Fire-type Pokemon gives it great synergy as Petilil reliably takes Earthquakes and Surfs where as the Fire-type can take Ice- and Fire-type moves aimed at Petilil.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Petilil really doesn't have much else going for it outside of the sets listed above. Petilil gets Synthesis which can be a gimmicky but useful move in the sun. Petilil has access to Stun Spore for additional team support, but that is about it. If the team is is paranoid about Sun going down and that Vulpix won't be enough to keep it up through the match, Petilil can carry Sunny Day for insurance. Petilil also has access to Healing Wish, though chances are you won't get much benefit from using it. Modest is viable on the sweeper set as it can give you a decent boost in exchange for speed that won't cost you very many losses. Petilil can pull off a SubSeed set, but is generally outclassed.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Snover absolutely stops Petilil in its tracks as long as you are very careful not to bring it into a Hidden Power Fire. Any Petilil regardless of its set is extremely vulnerable if the sun is ever to go down for any reason. Fire-type Pokemon in general should be able to handle Petilil as long as you're wary of being put to sleep by Petilil's Sleep Powder. if Petilil lacks Hidden Power Fire, then Ferroseed and most other Steel-type Pokemon should be able to take care of it. Dratini makes a good counter to it as well since it can come into either Petilil's Grass-type STAB or a Hidden Power Fire and retaliate with ExtremeSpeed.</p>

[Dream World]

<p>Leaf Guard pales in comparison to Chlorophyll; there is never a reason to use it.</p>
edit; lol forgot the stamp
 

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[Overview]

<p>Petilil is one of the new Pokemon to enter the Little Cup tier in this generation, and it finds itself fitting most snugly into the Drought teams of the metagame. With Chlorophyll as its ability, Petilil can wreak havoc in the sun and be an enormous threat to the opponent's team with its blazing Speed and good movepool. Resistances to common attacking types such as Ground and Water are very valuable too. Petilil can fit many different roles in the team and is a great choice for any Drought team.</p>

[SET]
name: Special Attacker
move 1: Growth
move 2: SolarBeam / Giga Drain
move 3: Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Sleep Powder
item: Eviolite / Life Orb
ability: Chlorophyll
nature: Timid
evs: 36 Def / 200 SpA / 36 SpD / 200 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set turns Petilil into a very threatening sweeper with Drought support from Vulpix. Petilil hits a Speed stat of 26 when factoring the boost from Chlorophyll, making it faster than any Pokemon who does not carry a Choice Scarf, and even a good handful of those who do. Petilil has two great options for its Grass-type STAB. First of which is SolarBeam, (comma) which deals tons of damage right away and can be spammed pretty safely except for when your opponent is carrying a weather changer such as Snover or Hippopotas. Giga Drain is quite a bit weaker but you don't have to worry as much about spamming it. Growth is a great move and if Petilil is able to pick one up, (comma) it can run over virtually any Pokemon in Little Cup. Hidden Power Fire makes a great coverage choice to go along with Petilil's Grass-type move. Sleep Powder helps Petilil handle any threats that it can't reliably handle otherwise.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Using Sleep Powder to give you an opportunity to pick up a boost or two from Growth is usually a pretty good idea. It is important to remember that if Drought ever leaves the field for whatever reason, that Petilil is really slow without Chlorophyll, (comma) so you need to be careful in risk management when you see Snover or Hippopotas on the opposing team. Life Orb will boost Petilil's sweeping ability even further, but leaves it much less durable. Eviolite almost guarantees that Petilil can live at least one hit as well as avoid the recoil damage that Petilil would be suffering when using Life Orb. Eviolite also can be crucial in Petilil surviving a priority move from a revenge killer, although the lack of power when using Eviolite can be a turn-off. Vulpix is needed to make this all happen effectively, so keeping Vulpix ready and able to ensure Drought stays up throughout the match is absolutely necessary. Pokemon that beat anti-weather Pokemon in general are good. Examples include Meditite, (comma) that carries a STAB Fighting-type move and with Ice Punch to handle users of Cloud Nine Pokemon like Swablu and Lickitung is valuable. As with any Drought team, pairing Petilil with a Fire-type Pokemon gives it great synergy as Petilil reliably takes Earthquakes and Surfs whereas the Fire-type can take Ice- and Fire-type moves aimed at Petilil.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Petilil really doesn't have much else going for it outside of the sets listed above. Petilil gets Synthesis which can be a gimmicky but useful move in the sun. Petilil has access to Stun Spore for additional team support, but that is about it. If the team is is paranoid about sun going down and that Vulpix won't be enough to keep it up through the match, Petilil can carry Sunny Day for insurance. Petilil also has access to Healing Wish, though chances are you won't get much benefit from using it. Modest is viable on the sweeper set as it can give Petilil a decent boost in power in exchange for some Speed that won't cost you very many losses. Petilil can pull off a SubSeed set, but it is generally outclassed there by (...).</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Snover absolutely stops Petilil in its tracks as long as you are very careful not to bring it into a Hidden Power Fire. Any Petilil regardless of its set is extremely vulnerable if the sun ever goes down for whatever reason. Fire-type Pokemon in general should be able to handle Petilil as long as you're wary of being put to sleep by Petilil's Sleep Powder. if Petilil lacks Hidden Power Fire, then Ferroseed and most other Steel-type Pokemon should be able to take care of it. Dratini makes a good counter to it as well since it can come into either Petilil's Grass-type STAB or a Hidden Power Fire and retaliate with ExtremeSpeed.</p>

[Dream World]
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<p>Leaf Guard pales in comparison to Chlorophyll; there is never a reason to use it.</p>


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Aeron Ee1

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No, no, Zeph. The (...) is meant to mean "give an example". Also you've got a spacing error there (itis)...
 

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