Golem (ADV OU) (Choice Band Rewrite) [QC 3/2] [GP 2/2] UPLOAD

fuck i am a horrible procrastinator when i'm bogged down with all other work.

anyway here ya go, this is what cb golem needs to look like.

lol hp rock wtf its weaker lol

i'm not exactly super-knowledgeable about adv but 4 sentence set really i mean come on.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Earthquake
move 2: Rock Slide / Hidden Power Rock
move 3: Hidden Power Bug / Double-Edge
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Band
nature: Adamant
evs: 200 HP / 220 Atk / 88 Spe
ivs: 30 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Apart from its unfortunate weaknesses to Water and Ground, Golem is a pretty decent Pokemon. This set capitalizes on Golem's ability to hit hard and take blows from the opponent's Pokemon with relative ease. It's not the best Pokemon in the world, being partially outclassed by Rhydon and having pitiful Special Defense and abysmal Speed, but Golem can get the job done regardless. Earthquake is the first STAB move of choice, boasting solid power and great neutral coverage. Rock Slide serves as Golem's secondary STAB and has great coverage with Earthquake, hitting Salamence, Gyarados, and the like hard. Additionally, it has a 30% chance to flinch, which is useful for defeating Snorlax and Forretress. Golem's two STABs form the QuakeSlide combination, which has, at the very least, neutral coverage on pretty much everything not named Claydol, Flygon, or Breloom. Hidden Power Rock is an option over Rock Slide for its 100% accuracy, but the lack of a flinch chance makes it inferior to Rock Slide, not to mention that using it prevents the use of Hidden Power Bug. Speaking of Hidden Power Bug, it provides crucial coverage on Celebi, who could otherwise switch in with impunity. Double-Edge is another possible choice, boasting decent coverage and a lack of recoil thanks to Rock Head. Double-Edge is generally the safest move to go for in most scenarios as it prevents Salamence or Gyarados from switching in unscathed, unlike Earthquake. The last moveslot is occupied by Explosion, which enables Golem to KO most Pokemon that do not possess a Ghost typing and gives it a way to actually do some damage to Skarmory and Swampert.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>With the given EVs, Golem can survive an Earthquake from Choice Band Salamence or +1 Tyranitar and outspeed Blissey and Swampert. The remaining EVs are invested in Attack and supplemented by an Adamant nature for maximum damage output.</p>

<p>Golem needs a lot of support from its teammates to function effectively. It can't do much damage to bulky Water-types, such as Swampert and Milotic, so Celebi is a great partner, as it has excellent type synergy with Golem. Zapdos is another option to beat bulky Water-types and has an immunity to Golem's Ground-type weakness, which Celebi lacks. Do note that Golem can damage bulky Water-types if it gets a chance to hit them multiple times, but it won't be able to survive the turns it needs to do so. Spikes support is helpful to wear down Golem's switch-ins, so Skarmory and Forretress make great partners. Skarmory can switch in on just about every attack that threatens Golem, which is very useful. Rapid Spin support from Forretress or Cloyster is recommended to prevent Golem from being worn down by Spikes, which is important because of how easily it is worn down without them. In a similar vein, Wish support is helpful, replenishing the HP Golem loses to residual damage such as status conditions and Leech Seed. Blissey and Jirachi are the best choices for Wish passing as they are both very bulky and can take on Celebi and the bulky Water-types that give Golem trouble; Blissey in particular is well-suited for this role. Lastly, Skarmory is a massive pain for Golem as it can set up the Spikes Golem dreads right in its face. For this reason, Pokemon such as Metagross with Hidden Power Fire or ThunderPunch, Fire Blast Snorlax, Hydro Pump Swampert, Choice Band Aerodactyl, Choice Band Tyranitar, Fire Blast Salamence, or a Choice Band Fighting-type is recommended to take on Skarmory. The support that Golem requires is fairly substantial, as you can see, but it can work to decent effect if you give it the support it desires.</p>

this really doesn't need to be written. anyone with scms can just ewrite the overview and AC(i think i dont have much scms knowledge). other than that, golem really isn't even a pokemon in the adv ou metagame. i've never seen it used before and it's not at all good in OU. only thing it has over rhydon is boom, but rhydon is better overall, and rhydon isn't even good! this doesn't need a rewrite. if for some reason my superiors think that this needs a rewrite, you're going to need a lot more detail. Hidden Power Rock is probably better than Rock Slide since you're only flinching a Snorlax and a Forretress. Mention a spread that outspeeds blissey, and more that i dont have time to post about

If someone is willing to rewrite something then they can... especially for old gens

If Golem is a bad mon he can draw attention to that in the writing

ty sir i added some stuff. yeah i'm gonna say that golem is pretty bad.

EDIT: oh and btw when i did a set of 3 overviews in the missing sections thread golem was one of them—i will do it asap, the other two are done.

Well, yeah, I don't know why you would even bring this back but fine, if you want to do it, let's do it right! Why exactly are the EVs like that? Here's a better spread: 200 HP/220 Atk/ 88 Spe; IV's: 30 Atk, 30 Def, 30 SpD. Now you can at least explain that this spread allows you to survive an EQ from banded Mence or +1 Tyranitar, that this way you outspeed Blissey and Swampert(which is important, even Golem being bad in ADV OU).

I won't procrastinate on approving it, so once you change the EV spread and explain the reasons above, consider it Approved.

skarmory rapes this thing so mention hp fire/thunder punch metagross, fire blast lax, hydro pump swampert, cb aerodactyl, cb ttar, fire blast mence, and choice band fighting-types. you always get your shit done so consider this my approval

edit: mention rapid spin support from and wish support since this thing gets warn down quickly

thanks you guys, i'll get this done asap.

double posting because this is written up and ready for gp checks. (and btw, i did it because i felt like it)

Remove the mention of Donphan as teammate since Cloyster is a much better spinner and more common. Golem hits bulky Water-types pretty hard since they can't really switch into it over and over again, especially swampert and suicune since they have to rely on protect or rest.

kk sir i fixed that stuff.

okay i like this much more now
3/2

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The only other thing I'd possible consider mentioning is that, while I'm not sure what Smogon policy is regarding whether stuff like that should be included, it might be worth it to mention that the 30/30/30 ivs aren't needed if you go with Double Edge.

Placeholder for am GP check. DONE.



If I must say, I recommend that you review your sentences a few times before submitting it for checks. There were some parts that seemed kinda hard to understand. I'm sure you'll learn from your mistakes though :)

alright, i'll get the easy one out of the way first. melvni, i implemented everything in your check. good job, thanks.

shortstheory, i hate to say this, but your check wasn't so great. i implemented some of your changes, but it looked like... it looked like you were making some changes just to make changes. thanks regardless, but, look over your changes before you make them a bit more. oh, and you should probably have waited for me to get to melvni's check before you posted.

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[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Earthquake
move 2: Rock Slide / Hidden Power Rock
move 3: Hidden Power Bug / Double-Edge
move 4: Explosion
item: Choice Band
nature: Adamant
evs: 200 HP / 220 Atk / 88 Spe
ivs: 30 Atk / 30 Def / 30 SpD

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Apart from its unfortunate weaknesses to Water and Ground, Golem is a pretty decent Pokemon. This set capitalizes on Golem's capability to hit hard and take blows from the opponent's Pokemon with relative ease. It's not the best Pokemon in the world, being partially outclassed by Rhydon and having pitiful Special Defense and abysmal Speed, but regardless Golem can get the job done regardless. Earthquake is the first STAB move of choice, boasting solid power and great neutral coverage. Rock Slide is alsoserves as Golem's secondary STAB and has great coverage with Earthquake, hitting Salamence, Gyarados, and the like hard. Additionally, it has a 30% chance ofto flinch, which is useful for defeating Snorlax and Forretress. Golem's two STABs form the QuakeSlide combination, which has, at the very least, neutral coverage on pretty much everything not named Claydol. Hidden Power Rock is an option over Rock Slide for its 100% accuracy, but the lack of a flinch chance makes it inferior to Rock Slide, not to mention that using it prevents the use of Hidden Power Bug. Speaking of Hidden Power Bug, it provides crucial coverage on Celebi, who could otherwise switch in with impunity. Double-Edge is another possible choice, havboasting decent coverage and a lack of recoil thanks to Rock Head. Double-Edge is generally the safest move to go for in most scenarios, as it prevents Salamence or Gyarados from switching in unscathed, unlike Earthquake. The last moveslot is occupied by Explosion, which allowenables Golem to KO most Pokemon that does not possess a Ghost typing and gives it a way to actually do some damage to Skarmory and Swampert.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>With the given EVs, Golem can survive an Earthquake from Choice Band Salamence or +1 Tyranitar and outspeed Blissey and Swampert. The remaining EVs are invested in Attack and supplemented by an Adamant nature for maximum damage output.</p>

Not too sure about this extraordinarily short paragraph...

<p>As far as support goes, Golem definitely needs itGolem needs a lot of support from its teammates to function effectively. It can't do much damage to bulky Water-types, such as Swampert and Milotic, so Celebi is a great partner, as it has excellent type synergy with Golem. Zapdos is another option to beat bulky Water-types and has an immunity to Golem's Ground-type weakness, which Celebi lacks. Do note that Golem can damage bulky Water-types if it gets a chance to hit them multiple times, but the issue is just that&mdash;Golem probably won't survive long enough to defeat themit won't be able to survive the turns it needs to do so. Spikes support is helpful to wear down Golem's switch-ins, so Skarmory and Forretress make great partners. Skarmory can switch in on just about every attack that threatens Golem, which is very useful. Rapid Spin support from Forretress or Cloyster is recommended to prevent Golem from being worn down by Spikes, which is important because of how easily it is worn down even without them on the field. In a similar vein, Wish support is helpful, dealing with the other forms of residual damage that Golem is affected by, such as status conditions and Leech Seed. Blissey and Jirachi are the best choices for Wish passing. Lastly, Skarmory is a massive pain for Golem, as Golem cannot do much damage to Skarmory and Skarmoryreplenishing the HP Golem loses to residual damage such as status conditions and Leech Seed. Blissey and Jirachi are the best choices for Wish passing as they are both very bulky and can take on Celebi and the bulky Water-types that give Golem trouble, Blissey in particular. Lastly, Skarmory is a massive pain for Golem as it can set up the Spikes itGolem dreads right in its face. For this reason, Pokemon likesuch as Metagross with Hidden Power Fire or ThunderPunch, Fire Blast Snorlax, Hydro Pump Swampert, Choice Band Aerodactyl, Choice Band Tyranitar, Fire Blast Salamence, or a Choice Band Fighting-type is recommended to take on Skarmory. The support that Golem requires is fairly heavysubtantial, as you can see, but it can work to decent effect if you give it the support it desires.</p>

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[gp]1/2[/gp]

thanks skullcandy, your check is implemented.

amcheck

yeah done

hi redew, thanks for the check. i made the second change but not the first, i just disagreed with it. i feel like the writing "flows" better with the way it is now, if you catch my drift

Golem's two STABs form the QuakeSlide combination, which has, at the very least, neutral coverage on pretty much everything not named Claydol.

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Should add Flygon here. Probably Breloom as well.

thanks dakmalice, i added those two in.

GP Approved 2/2

stamped my amcheck

alright, thanks redew. this is ready for upload!

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