Flygon Discussion

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Flygon
Ability: Levitate
Type: Ground/Dragon
Stats: 80/100/80/80/100

With the advent of the Land Shark there hasn't been much discussion on one of my favorite pokemon, Flygon. With decent stats and a nice movepool could Flygon still be used? Sadly he shares the 4x weakness to ice but other than that he's pretty resistant.

Some notable moves are:

Physical
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Aerial Ace
Somersault
Stone Edge/Rock Slide

Special
Land Power
Flamethrower/Fire Blast
Hidden Power
Giga Drain
Dragon Pulse
Silver Wind
Meteoric Swarm

Support
Screech
Sleep Talk
Substitute
Sandstorm
Rest
Attract
Feather Rest

Just wondering if anybody plans on using this guy or if there are any suggested movesets for D/P.

Flygon @ Leftovers
~ Earthquake
~ Somersault
~ Stone Edge / Rock Slide
~ Substitute

Flygon @ Choice Band
~ Earthquake
~ Stone Edge / Rock Slide
~ Somersault
~ Dragon Claw

Flygon @ Leftovers
~ Substitute
~ Screech
~ Rock Slide / Stone Edge
~ Earthquake

Fire Blast can be put in there for Skarmory.
 
iirc fire blast / flamethrower was special.

i used to use this guy a lot, but the Land Shark just completely outclasses him except for Levitate and feather rest.
 
The fact it has Levitate in place of Sand Veil means it will always have a place as a Quakeslide resist. I was actually thinking of a Mixgon holding a Life Orb:

Flygon @ Life Orb
Levitate
Rash nature
- Earthquake
- Dragon Claw
- Fire Blast
- Feather Rest

Maybe a random Hidden Power over Feather Rest (Grass maybe to smack Swampert, or Fighting to get Tyranitar harder). Not sure about the EVs though.

Also why are Flamethrower and Fire Blast under Flygon's physical movepool? o.O
 
Ground immunity, Feather Rest and Somersault give him enough to get some use. He's not a "let's destroy a weakened team" Pokemon like Garchomp, so don't try to him use him as such.

Screech is still a good option on him. Someone posted a Screech/Somersault set for him in a RMT, which I thought was a good use of him.

I like Earthquake/Dragon Claw/Somersault/Feather Rest @ Life Orb. Just keep chipping away at your opponent, recovering when you can.

He also gets Land Power (from Trapinch) in his special movepool.
 
Yeah he'll still be used. CB sets got a boost with physical Dragon Claw. Special sets got a boost with Meteoric Swarm, Land Power and Dragon Pulse, and the aforementioned Mix sweeper got boosted by Life Orb. He also got a nice recovery move with Feather Rest.

The only real downside this generation is that so many more things will be running HP [Ice] for Landshark (whilst before it seemed like HP [Grass] was the standard because of Swampert) and a bunch of physical sweepers can run Ice Fang now to mess with its 4x weakness. The aforementioned typing clash with Landshark is annoying but as DoubleX stated, Levitate gives him a big bonus over it with the EQ immunity.

As for what set I would run, I think DoubleX's would be a pretty good choice. Swampert and Suicune can only switch into so many Life Orb EQs before the damage starts to catch up with them and FR can help get rid of the "recoil". Presuming I calculated Life Orb correctly (it's 1.3x right?) a Flygon with Max Attack and the nature boost will do close to 50% to a Max Defence Swampert and about 40% to a Max Defence Suicune.

*Calculations done off of Marble Palace's Calc, if those are incorrect, my bad*.
 
Phuquoph said:
I like Earthquake/Dragon Claw/Somersault/Feather Rest @ Life Orb. Just keep chipping away at your opponent, recovering when you can.
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I forgot entirely about Somersault. That works too. Plus it wouldn't require split EVs either. So that one would be Adamant with lots of Spd and Atk, rest in HP, yeah?
 
Possibly, but I might go with Jolly and 304 Speed in case you come across any Adamant Garchomp. Mostly because killing it with Flygon would be funny. You'll have to make sure you know they're not Jolly though. If you don't want to risk it, then the good old 252 Atk / Spd works.
 
Phuquoph said:
Possibly, but I might go with Jolly and 304 Speed in case you come across any Adamant Garchomp. Mostly because killing it with Flygon would be funny. You'll have to make sure you know they're not Jolly though. If you don't want to risk it, then the good old 252 Atk / Spd works.
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That's a 2HKO on min HP min Def Garchomp, so you'd have to get it once on the switch, and who's going to switch Garchomp into Flygon? You'd be more likely to see the Starmie/Mamoswine/Weavile/whatever that's intended to counter Garchomp, since they counter Flygon even easier.

It's an alright idea, but I don't know how well it'd work in execution.
 
In my opinion, the only viable reason to use Flygon over Garchomp in the 4th Generation is for Levitate. Although they are very similar, Garchomp has 2 key things going for him that Flygon doesn't:

I: It has 130 base Attack, compared to Flygon's 100.
II: Swords Dance.

Flygon is still a good Pokemon, but Garchomp outclasses it in every aspect, save for it's ability.
 
I know, but it's Flygon's best shot at taking down Garchomp. The other reason I suggested Jolly is to come in after CG Salamence kills something and take it down, or at least scare it off for a free hit.

Adamant is probably the more practical option though, especially when you can Somersault incoming Weavile and Starmie for more damage.
 
It needs 60 HP EVs to guarantee survival (85 - 99%). It is a really shaky "counter" for Tyranitar now.

CB Stone Edge 2HKOs it too, unless you give it a ridiculous amount of HP and defense.
 
Flygon pretty much has to put all of its cards on the table to really find a niche that isn't just completely usurped by LOL LANDSHARK. Screech, Somersault, Feather Rest, Levitate, and maybe even Giga Drain are worth considering.
 
I put some movesets in there. Anyway, Flygon is most likely going to be shoved aside, especially in the first few months. I think it is still an AMAZING Pokemon thanks to Levitate, but I don't know if it's enough to warrant its use over Landshark. Somersault is probably the coolest addition, especially since it lost the physical HP Bug.
 
Flygon can also run completely special sets now with Land Power, but unfortunately Salamence has the special attacking dragon concept down pat. I love Flygon, it's just too outclassed by everything now.
 
Yikes, now that Endure is a TM, Flygon can be an endflailer immune to sandstorm. I didn't even notice that.

I can see screech/somersault seeing a lot of use with Feather Rest to heal up. Actually, I might try a sub/endflailer Flygon @Salac now.
 
Doesn't mean that Flygon or others can't do them. Flygon, like Lucario, resists SR and is immune to SS.

I should also mention:
Lucario: 110 att/ 90spd
Flygon: 100 att/ 100spd

There's nothing wrong with more than one sub/end-rev/flailer in OU.
Also, I'm aware that Lucario gets Reversal and STAB which is a huge boon. A 200BP normal could kill a defensively weak Cross and would do better damage against Dos, among other things.
And Flygon can Screech which would REALLY surprise them.
 
Hm....

Flygon @ Salac
Adamant (Max Atk, at least 285 Spd)
-Flail
-Endure
-Screech
-Back Up Attack

I still like Zangoose better. Or maybe even Kabutops. Flygon doesn't have the right STAB to counter all of Flail's resisters.
 
@Salac
Levitate
Nature(+atk, -def), EVs(Same max atk, max speed, HP mod4+1)
-Substitute
-Flail
-Earthquake
-Meteoric Swarm


This might surprise a few things. Very much a Glass Cannon though, no Sault and no Feather Rest.
Play to the fact that he has more speed than Lucario/Kabutops/Blaziken/Zangoose (virtually every other 1HP wrecker).
 
He makes a great candidate for life orb with a lot of resists and immunities, as well as resising/being immune to stealth rock/spikes, and with feather rest he wont mind the recoil at all. I still think he can find a niche in OU as a hit and run pokemon, works good in tandem with sandstorm.
 
You forgot to put Flygon's Special Defense, which is a base of 80. AG set with Meteoric Swarm/Land Power/Fire Blast/Dragon Pulse=lol Salamence clone for BL.
 
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