Chimchar/Ditto Breeding Experiment

Reji King

Hello, I'm actually brand new (Post Count:1, heehee) here at Smogon. Sorry if I'm really not supposed to be researching much of anything, but I figured another dataset for other people to research with is in order.

This Thread is what started my quick little sample experiment.

The Everstone breeding trick in Emerald is the topic, and the concensus so far was that the Everstone would not necessarily pass on Natures when a 4th generation and a 3rd generation mated at the Day Care Center. When I tried it out myself, I found some interesting data.

The method used was to take a 4th Gen Serious Infernape father from US Pearl and mate it with a 3rd Gen Adamant Ditto from US Emerald who had an Everstone attached. The resulting offspring would then be analyzed. The thing that bothers me about my method is that I would take 5 eggs with a Slugma in my party, wait till they hatched, and then checked out their natures and genders, then a soft-reset for another batch. Is this a bad way to do it? If so, I'll come up with another set and botch the previous 20 I did. Also, the Everstone was from Pearl. =/

Otherwise, I want to get a total sample size of 50 or 100 sometime soon. I just wanted to show you the results of the first 20 Chimchars I got.

Quick Results(Out of 30* Chimchars):
5 Chimchars were Females.
14 Chimchars had the Adamant Nature
3 Chimchar was both Female and Adamant.


And then an Excel and Txt file for the data. (*Excel File Updated to 30 total samples*)
Excel File: http://www.sendspace.com/file/yo9m8h
Notepad File: http://www.sendspace.com/file/3pvvej

And sorry if I'm stepping on toes. If so, flame me now!
 
The thing that bothers me about my method is that I would take 5 eggs with a Slugma in my party, wait till they hatched, and then checked out their natures and genders, then a soft-reset for another batch. Is this a bad way to do it? If so, I'll come up with another set and botch the previous 20 I did. Also, the Everstone was from Pearl. =/
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Be careful here! If you soft reset and then keep the first egg given each time, the first egg is always going to be the same. If you did it this way, your data set is going to be quite skewed. This would explain why there was at least one adamant in each set of five, by the way.

We always welcome good research so, trust me, you're definitely not stepping on any toes.
 
i hatched some magikarps using an emerald jolly ditto (ditto holding everstone) and a female modest magikarp i fished out of the water 45 seconds before cramming it in the daycare. this is on a north american diamond version/

m serious
f relaxed
f modest
f impish
f quiet
m jolly
f jolly
f jolly
m jolly
f calm
m jolly
f jolly
f jolly
f naive
f naive
m sassy
m sassy
f impish
m jolly
m mild
f careful
f jolly
m jolly
m bashful
f jolly
f jolly

in this order (still in my box)
 
Looks like from these two examples that we may not even need a ton more testing...it makes me think more and more that everything works fine as long as both Pokemon are from US versions.
 
I don't think we've checked the case where one pokemon is traded from another DP game yet.

So basically, Pal Park Ditto + traded other.

Also, we should try a traded pair. The traded ones last time that yamipoli used in his first test were from JP games, we should try them from English games.

Are there any other cases I'm missing?
 
And just to clarify, I did NOT keep the first egg each time, so if the data set is to be skewed, it would not be from the first egg. I forgot to mention that I saved right after I had stored my Infernape and Ditto pair at the Day Care, so no egg was present yet. And my files list the eggs in the order I got them. So hopefully that clears things up.

@Surgo+: Yeah, I wanna test those cases too to see if they still pull up the same as my data. But, I think I'll finish up this one to 50 first and make sure that all is well. Hopefully I can get the 50 done tonight, but for some reason Smogon is going really slow on my computer. =/

This is a warm a welcome as ever, thanks guys!
 
Hmm.

I have been having extreme difficulty with breeding atm. It seems that pokemon from any different region, Japanese or otherwise, are incompatible. I traded my jolly ditto caught in JP pearl and am breeding it (holding the everstone) with a cranidos I recieved of GTS. 1 out of 18 babies were jolly. Another incidence, my Female Naive chimchar from JP pearl holding everstone and breeding with my male Infernape from US Diamond produced 18 babies, 2 of which were naive. What the hell is wrong? Im starting to detest breeding in this gen already, since it seems GF have put more pitfalls into it. I will endeavor to catch a jolly ditto in my US Diamond tonight to breed with my US Cranidos and hopefully see more positive results.

Why on earth would GF plan on region blocking breeding? Im almost certain that it is the case.

This is from a post I made earlier, it seems that with my evidence and yours, everstone breeding is affected by region overall, not just generation as thought originally. It seems to be the following;

3rd gen + 3rd gen = everstone compatible
3rd gen + 4th gen (any region) = everstone incompatible
4th gen JP + 4th gen JP = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen US = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen JP = everstone incompatible

I will test english pal park + english pokemon, but I doubt it.
 
I just hatched the first two eggs I recieved after putting an adamnt emerald ditto w/Everstone and male chimchar. Both were adamant. I know it's only two eggs but even in emerald sometime it took me ten eggs before i got one with the ditto or female's nature.
 
akayfortyseven said:
This is from a post I made earlier, it seems that with my evidence and yours, everstone breeding is affected by region overall, not just generation as thought originally. It seems to be the following;

3rd gen + 3rd gen = everstone compatible
3rd gen + 4th gen (any region) = everstone incompatible
4th gen JP + 4th gen JP = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen US = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen JP = everstone incompatible

I will test english pal park + english pokemon, but I doubt it.
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I think that's important news. Thanks!
 
akayfortyseven said:
This is from a post I made earlier, it seems that with my evidence and yours, everstone breeding is affected by region overall, not just generation as thought originally. It seems to be the following;

3rd gen + 3rd gen = everstone compatible
3rd gen + 4th gen (any region) = everstone incompatible
4th gen JP + 4th gen JP = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen US = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen JP = everstone incompatible

I will test english pal park + english pokemon, but I doubt it.
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I'm starting to believe it is region specific too, as the posts I have seen so far who have been having dificulties breeding with the everstone attached has seen offspring with some very off natures, hardly any pattern at all. I just hatched 10 more offspring last night, and I'll update the first post with my findings for the 30 I have found. But I have not had any difficulties with breeding for the adamant nature. I should try another nature too, my Ditto's are ready to give some loving!

Which reminds me, anybody need some Adamant Female Chimchars? Heehee

EDIT: And for completion's sake, here are (sorta) the combinations to really test. Eh, some are pretty redundant, but I was a little.. bored.

4th Gen Poke + 4th Gen Poke
4th Gen Poke + 4th Gen Ditto
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Poke
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Ditto
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Traded Poke
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Traded Ditto
3rd Gen PalPark Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Poke
3rd Gen PalPark Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Ditto
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Poke
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Ditto
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Traded Ditto

...

Then all the 3rd Gens mixed with the 4th Gens. Yeesh. ;)
 
3rd gen + 4th gen (any region) = everstone incompatible
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Except we've already shown this to be false. Uiru successfully bred 3rd and 4th gen pokemon and showed everstone compatability.
 
4th Gen Poke + 4th Gen Poke (this works fine. i used a luxray and female Lucario. 13/33 were adamant's nature)
4th Gen Poke + 4th Gen Ditto
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Poke (this works fine. i used an english teddiursa with a lucario, 9 out of 18 were adamant)
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Ditto
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Traded Poke (3 out of 6 of carps, may test later)
4th Gen Traded Poke + 4th Gen Traded Ditto
3rd Gen PalPark Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Poke (works fine)
3rd Gen PalPark Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Ditto (works fine)
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Poke (works fine)
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Ditto (works fine)
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke (works fine)
3rd Gen PalPark Traded Poke + 3rd Gen PalPark Traded Ditto (works fine)
 
Judging by what yamipoli and the others have seen, I am going to make the bold hypothesis that trouble only comes when you try to do inter-region breeding, that is, American with Japanese.
 
Well, I'm breeding a Male Medicham with a Modest Female Abra w/Everstone, both caught in my Pearl version. I'm getting plenty Modest ones(not really keeping count here, it's for my Wi-fi team), about a 2/3 ratio.

The issue is that the Modest Abra's keep getting Inner Focus, which is the Female Abra's ability. About 80-90% of the other ones are getting Synchronize.

I'm wondering if it's just mocking me. It could mean that the Everstone passes Abilities to multi-ability Pokemon. Could someone confirm this?

EDIT: Well, crap. 10 minutes after posting it, I get a Modest, Synchronize Abra. So yeah.

EDIT2: Just to cap it, I bread 5 Abras on my last run. 4 were Modest, and three of those Modest ones had Synchronize. The last one was Adamant(ewww) with Synchronize.
 
3rd gen + 3rd gen = everstone compatible
3rd gen + 4th gen (any region) = everstone incompatible
4th gen JP + 4th gen JP = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen US = everstone compatible
4th gen US + 4th gen JP = everstone incompatible
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I was believing this formula for a while too, however from some recent testing I've been getting Pal Parked Pokemon to pass down natures with my 4th gen. However, they're both from the same region (US). So I believe right now
3rd gen + 4th gen (same region)= everstone compatible
Maybe I'm getting lucky though, I'll post later when I do more testing.
 
This is awesome. At least we can (sorta) safely say that the Everstone/Ditto breeding trick is still available to US Breeders. Right now, though, is the worry about cross-regions. And sadly, without any JP games to test with or JP trades under my belt yet, I cannot help with this.

So Good Luck with the testing for everybody who does have JP Pokes available. Time for me to find more things to research! =)
 
Pal parked + Pal parked (US Emerald)
are not passing down natures in my Japanese Diamond right now. Out of 17 Pokemon I only got 2 of the everstone nature (attached to Ditto of course). I'll try the same couple on my US Pearl a little later.
 
I think these results should prove, if it hasn't been already, that Pal Parked Ditto @ Everstone breeding with a Pokemon caught in the US version of D/P will successfully pass down natures.

(All Dittos are Pal Parked from UK Emerald and @ Everstone)

Adamant Ditto + Male Croagunk - 40 eggs. 28 Adamant, including 7 consecutive Adamant babies.

Naive Ditto + Male Chimchar - 40 eggs. 23 Adamant, 5 consecutive

Adamant Ditto + Male Magikarp - 40 eggs. 19 adamant, 3 consecutive
 
Maybe inter-region breeding does work? That Cranidos you have must be English or Japanese, and your Swampert is from the UK, but it seems like the effects are still there. Is it maybe a Japanese - US thing only?
 
English, North American and Australian versions all use the same game and font code (0202), while Japanese games use font code 0201.

I tried using someone's french game Pikachu i traded for over Wifi, and only 3 out of 45 pichus were the correct nature.
 
Seems like the evidence is all lining up to language, then.

So basically we have:
Intralanguage breeding: everstone compatible
Interlanguage breeding: everstone imcompatible

There remains one more case that none have looked at: JP with JP on an English game, or a similar situation.
 
Actually I did that earlier and it worked fine. I traded for a female Gible off the GTS and used the Male Japanese one i had and they worked.
 
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