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Old May 5th, 2011, 2:58:18 AM   #1
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Posting these because it made sense to have a separate thread for discussion of LC threads, like we used to have.

Interesting things, Missigno, lol.

The usage of Carvanha is significantly higher in Rated Battles.

Vulpix is used a lot, but sun sweepers aren't. WTH are people doing?

Clamperl is being used over Shellder for some unknown reason.

Basically, discuss what these stats mean for the LC metagame

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Old May 5th, 2011, 3:37:12 AM   #2
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Well, keep in mind there are a lot of sun sweepers and only one Vulpix, so the chlorophyll sweepers' usage is divided between the lot of them.

Slowpoke has double the usage of Frillish. DAM STRAIGHT

Where did all the Stunky come from? Scraggy is a worse Missy check, but it works, and kills things that aren't Dark-weak to boot.

And that's like 102 more Bronzor than I've ever seen in LC.

also why the hell are there more magikarp than lickitung

also I was like half of those 16 mime jr users, it's cool.

Mantyke at #60 :/

Clamperl, most popular Shell Smasher? Bleh, no love for Shellder.

bleh, looking at the statistics, it LOOKS like dragon-types would have a free dinner in LC...but I can't ever sweep with the things.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 6:59:30 AM   #3
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Absolutely no surprise with Gligar on top and Missy trailing behing, those things are on basically every single team.

I'm surprised Ferroseed is so high with all the Fighters around.

Staryu @ 32 and Ponyta @ 34: I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using both of those.
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Wow, these are interesting stats. What the hell happened to Diglett? And there is a serious Missy and Gligar problem here. Almost 50% usage. I'm not saying they're broken, but wow.

Also, look at #148. WTF?

And I'm literally the only person using Psyduck
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I'm really surprised Gligar still has that high usage, considering Meditite owns it so hard it's not even funny. Maybe Missy helps with that, but i dunno. How the hell did Cofagrigus get used in RATED LC?
Gastly is used less than Missingno. The Little Cup community has spoken
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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:14:19 AM   #6
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How the hell did Cofagrigus get used in RATED LC?
There was a glitch.

These stats are eye-opening. The ubiquity of Gligar and Misdreavus are quite shocking.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:53:03 AM   #7
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XD Cofagrigus.

Also, 8% of people forgetting to fill out their team :O
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Old May 5th, 2011, 11:33:17 AM   #8
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Nothing really surprising here.

Dark, most dragons are slow as balls. You can run scarf but then they have issues breaking through gligar. Eviolite is truly a bitch.

Gastly is outclassed by missy, and scraggy wrecks any possibilities of dual ghost, so I even think gastly might be a BIT high. It's definitely not bad but people have to prepare for Missy and gastly has pretty much the same counters.

Tbh, I'm shocked. I don't get why more than half of people would not use misdreavus or gligar or meditite. They are so fucking good. Unless you're using, like, trick room or something, you can fit them on your team and make it better. I'm not saying they're broken... They have counters. They're just so good. I am repeating my point that eviolite centralizes, since 7 or 8 of the top 10 pokemon use eviolite on their best set. The top 10 pokemon make up 47.3% of teams, compared to 26.2% in OU.
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A smaller amount of battles than that of OU might have something to do with that. You'll notice similar usage numbers for Generation IV stats, as well.
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Slowpoke is so pro, and i'm happy that other poeple know it, he's the perfect counter for meditite (since most carry ice punch for gligar) and being able to take a shadow ball fro missy is no small feat (still, if scraggy goes i'm hopimg him to go even higher)
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Slowpoke is so pro, and i'm happy that other poeple know it, he's the perfect counter for meditite (since most carry ice punch for gligar) and being able to take a shadow ball fro missy is no small feat (still, if scraggy goes i'm hopimg him to go even higher)
I have no clue what you're talking about. Plenty of Mediite run Thunderpunch, and with entry hazards (which are common) Slowpoke can't take a Shadow Ball from Missy. There is no perfect counter for Meditite, end of story.
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but Naaaaaaaaaaaaails, dragons use DRAGON DANCE :/

Eviolite does suck, though. As a bonus, none of the dragons can actually abuse it themselves.

Also LO HJK from Meditite does 9-12 damage out of 28, which 2HKOs slowpoke with triple-spikes.

Thank god nobody else uses it.

Also Resttalk little-Cofagrigus laughs at Meditite.

EDIT @ Below: Charmander uses Ponyta too, it wrecks. Morning Sun+Flare Blitz in Sun is a bitch.
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Absolutely no surprise with Gligar on top and Missy trailing behing, those things are on basically every single team.

I'm surprised Ferroseed is so high with all the Fighters around.

Staryu @ 32 and Ponyta @ 34: I'm pretty sure I'm the only one using both of those.
I contribute to the Ponyta usage.
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It's probably because Clamperl has like 68 SpAtk or whatever after a Shell Smash............... screw defenses I'll just OHKO everything. I'm kidding but I'm not.

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There is no perfect counter for Meditite, end of story.
Wynaut? I'm not really asking though--it is the perfect counter to everything but the rare (and shitty??) Bulk Up variants which are not only a non-factor but also a non-issue.

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Why is this bad? To me, I see this as a good reason to make sure my teams are prepared for the top threats. Hard counters exist for pretty much all of the top threats... and since you know that they're going to be on 50/40/whatever percent of teams, why not use them and give yourself the extra edge? If I can run Wynaut or Stunky or whatever to not only ensure that I won't have troubles with Meditite/Misdreavus/etc, but will be basically playing 6-5 against 50 percent of teams, why wouldn't I? As long as they aren't complete garbage on the other 60/50 and the team they're on isn't complete garbage, it's totally worth it.

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See above. Free Misdreavus kill yea I'd go for that. Honestly I think the bulkier Eviolite versions are much better than the more offensive versions for the job, but whatever they're both effective. It can run like Sucker Punch/Pursuit/Taunt/Fire move or something similar....? I've only used Stunky a bit because I've never had issues with Misdreavus on most of my teams, so I'm admittedly not all that experienced using it this gen.
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Why is this bad? To me, I see this as a good reason to make sure my teams are prepared for the top threats. Hard counters exist for pretty much all of the top threats... and since you know that they're going to be on 50/40/whatever percent of teams, why not use them and give yourself the extra edge? If I can run Wynaut or Stunky or whatever to not only ensure that I won't have troubles with Meditite/Misdreavus/etc, but will be basically playing 6-5 against 50 percent of teams, why wouldn't I? As long as they aren't complete garbage on the other 60/50 and the team they're on isn't complete garbage, it's totally worth it.
You aren't 6-5, since after it switches into meditite, tanks a hit, and counters it, you may not be able to use your wynaut again. I'm not debating its ability to counter tite, and I'm not arguing that it's useless outside of beating meditite. However, all you can do is trade it for a mon and wind up 5-5. You might be able to use it to revenge kill something after that, which means you had to lose a pokemon to get it in, at which point you're still trading kills and it effectively becomes 4-4. You don't get a free kill, you sacrifice yourself for the cause.
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See above. Free Misdreavus kill yea I'd go for that. Honestly I think the bulkier Eviolite versions are much better than the more offensive versions for the job, but whatever they're both effective.
Unlike wynaut, stunky is rather useless if they don't have a ghost, as it lacks the power to effectively kill slowpoke and meditite, the two most common psychic types. And again, you're heavily weakened in the process, so you are simply trading pokes with the opponent, not getting a free kill.
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I'm disgusted to see Paras at 89. I've been using one and they're just amazing in sand and regular teams in general!!! Such a great water counter and it also has agility and spore. It's also fairly strong. I use seed bomb and x-scissor with the two moves mention above and an eviolite. Really strong pokemon imo!!
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Adamant LO Meditite HJK vs Eviolite "Why Not" Wynaut: 44.4% - 51.9%, 12 - 14 out of 27, a guaranteed KO with SR and Spikes/Sandstorm.

Meditite is cool.

Also Paras hates Drought.

And so do water-types, who are nerfed by the drop to their STAB and are raped by chlorophyll sweepers. The only Water-types I see are Clamperl, who outspeeds it after a smash and Ice Beams, Shellder, who outspeeds it after a smash and Icicle Spears, Vanha, who Crunches you to death, and Chinchou, who now runs HP Fire over Ice Beam for Ferroseed, outspeeds you naturally, and rapes you with it.

Spore is cool, Paras...sadly sucks.

EDIT: oh yeah, there's Frillish and Slowpoke. Frillish Wows you and laughs, and I've seen a lot of Fire Blast Slowpoke.
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Most Wynauts carry Oran berry just for the reason you take a bit more damage to ensure you get the KO on the other poke.
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Not to mention that no one uses adamant LO HJK on meditite. And stunky is awesome, I've been using it for a long time and it ALWAYS kills misdreavus, even if it gets burnt on the proccess. Also, 120 BP priority coming from 17 attack? Yes please.
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Not all meditites run Thunderpunch, many have zen headbutt to surprise missy on a predicted drain punch, then bullet punch for priority and ice ounch for gligar (yeah some carry thunderpunch, but killing missy on the swich is far more usefull to most set since she is meditite's more common counter
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Nothing really surprising here.

Dark, most dragons are slow as balls. You can run scarf but then they have issues breaking through gligar. Eviolite is truly a bitch.
What about Dratini after DDance? Whatever it doesn't matter
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