Nidoran-M (Analysis)

wtf I thought this thing got Sheer Force
http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/nidoran♂

[Overview]

<p>Nidoran-M defines unique in Little Cup thanks to a few uncommon characteristics. Firstly, it is one of the only Pokemon to get the ability Hustle, which allows it to fire off physical attacks with great power at the cost of a little Accuracy. Secondly, Nidoran-M's access to useful obscure moves such as Thunderbolt allows it to pick off certain Pokemon who would normally be very threatening to it such as Slowpoke. Poison typing grants Nidoran-M the ability to switch into different Fighting-type moves and attack. This typing also means that it can absorb Toxic Spikes, which, while not very common, can be a pain for most offensive teams to deal with. While its stats are subpar, Nidoran-M is definitely a threatening Pokemon and it should be treated as such.</p>

[SET]
name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Poison Jab
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Life Orb
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive
evs: 224 Atk / 36 Def / 40 SpA / 200 Spe
ivs: 3 HP / 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>A high Attack stat thanks to Hustle with a stellar special movepool are obvious grounds for a mixed set. Using both physical and special moves means Nidoran-M can hit almost almost all Pokemon from their weaker side, allowing it to 2HKO almost anything in LC. Poison Jab is Nidoran-M's hardest hitting move, and its high chance to inflict poison status means it can be used to defeat stall, allowing Nidoran-M to act as a makeshift stallbreaker. Sucker Punch is a blessing for Nidoran-M to have as it grants both priority and a super effective attack to use against Gastly and other Ghost-types. In fact, Offensive Gastly is always OHKOed by Sucker Punch without any residual damage. Thunderbolt is another blessing for Nidoran-M to hit bulky Water-types. While using obscure strategies such as Thunderbolt on a Poison-type Pokemon may seem less effective, this is an exception for a few reasons. Nidoran's Poison typing will easily lure Slowpoke in, which is where Thunderbolt comes into play as it does high amounts of damage to any Staryu, Slowpoke, and Frillish, no matter what EV spread and item. Hidden Power Fire takes a similar approach as Ferroseed will try to come in on Poison Jab, which is where you can use Hidden Power Fire to 2HKO it while not taking any hits.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs maximize Nidoran-M's Attack and Speed whilst boosting its Special Attack and Defense a little. Shadow Claw over Sucker Punch is an option for reliability rather than power and priority. While it doesn't let Nidoran-M defeat Gastly without taking any damage, it can hit it on the switch and OHKO it without any other damage. Substitute is another option over either Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire because it allows Nidoran-M to scout opponent's attacks before acting. This is a great combination with Sucker Punch as it not only allows Nidoran-M to avoid status moves that Sucker Punch draws, but it also encourages the opponent to attack, giving Sucker Punch more reliability. Hone Claws is another option to remedy Hustle's accuracy drop and raise Nidoran-M's not-so-stellar Attack, but it's extremely hard to set up with such low Speed compared to Diglett, Gastly, and others.</p>

<p>The best teammate for
Nidoran-M is bulky Eviolite Staryu. It can easily defeat Diglett with Water- or Ice-type moves, and it beats Frillish and Slowpoke with Thunderbolt. If you're using Substitute or Hone Claws in place of Hidden Power Fire, Magnemite with Hidden Power Fire can defeat Ferroseed. Dwebble is able to set up Stealth Rock and Spikes to aid Nidoran's sweep while Staryu can remove them from your side of the field with Rapid Spin.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Outside of "use something better," Nidoran-M doesn't have many other options. It has access to Disable, and it can make a good annoyer with Substitute and Disable as a combo. Toxic Spikes is an option to set up with a defensive Eviolite set, but Nidoran-M's amount of natural bulk is far from enough to tank hits, so it is probably better off as a suicide lead with Focus Sash if it's setting up Toxic Spikes. Super Fang is another option to make Nidoran a good wallbreaker; however, it is illegal with Hustle, so it is probably better to just attack. Rivalry is an option to remedy this, but Hustle is really the only thing that makes Nidoran-M good, and giving it up would be unfortunate. Trick Room is another strategy, and while Nidoran-M isn't too slow, it is much slower than Mienfoo, Taillow, and company and can take advantage of that with its mixed attacker set. If you are using Trick Room, an EV spread of 68 HP / 224 Atk / 200 SpA with a Brave nature is ideal. Lastly, Head Smash is available, but its coverage isn't good and its recoil is too high.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Any Ghost-types with Substitute easily beat Nidoran-M. Wynaut, whose popularity has increased, can beat Nidoran-M using a combination of Encore, Counter, and Mirror Coat. While Nidoran-M has good coverage with its attacking moves, most Pokemon it can't hit super effectively such as Machop and Zorua will beat it one-on-one, so it must watch out for such threats. Scraggy takes nothing from Nidoran-M and can set up Dragon Dance on it, which instantly makes it a threat. Wooper can beat it despite any boosts from Hone Claws courtesy of Unaware using Earthquake to OHKO it. Wooper can also use Recover to remove any damage Nidoran-M inflicts.</p>
 

metsrule158

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You might want to mention that gligar can get in a swords dance up and KO with nidoran and the rest of the team.
 

Al_Alchemist

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Bad set, but bad pokemon so whatever lol.

This should be the set:

Nidoran-M (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Hustle
EVs: 224 Atk / 36 Def / 40 SpA / 200 Spe
IVs: 3 HP / 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
Naive Nature (+Spe, -SpD)
- Poison Jab
- Sucker Punch
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Fire]

*last two moves can be replaced with either Substitute, Toxic Spikes, Disable, or Toxic (65% accuracy?!)

Will edit in calcs, but note Double Kick is absolutely worthless even with Hustle, Hidden Power Fire 2HKOs Ferroseed, while Double Kick doesn't.

Edit:

vs Misdreavus 0/0 Eviolite

SUCKER PUNCH 22 Atk vs 18 Def & 22 HP (80 Base Power): 18 - 22 (81.82% - 100.00%) - Avg of 20 Damage OHKO after SR

*OHKOs all Evioliteless versions

--

vs Gligar 76/0 Eviolite

ICE BEAM 11 Atk vs 19 Def & 24 HP (95 Base Power): 20 - 28 (83.33% - 116.67%) - Avg of 24 Damage OHKO

*if they run another 76 ev in Special Defense it only does an average and minimum of 20 Damage.

*Acrobatics Gligar is OHKOd obviously

--

vs Meditite 116 / 156 Eviolite

POISON JAB 22 Atk vs 21 Def & 21 HP (80 Base Power): 12 - 15 (57.14% - 71.43%)

SUCKER PUNCH 22 Atk vs 21 Def & 21 HP (80 Base Power): 8 - 10 (38.10% - 47.62%)

When combined they 2HKO on average

*Meditite who use the Defense EVs in Speed instead always get 2HKO'd by this combo, but it will tie speeds with you at 15 Spe

--

vs Ferroseed 84 / 148 Sassy Eviolite

HIDDEN POWER FIRE 11 Atk vs 27 Def & 22 HP (70 Base Power): 16 - 20 (72.73% - 90.91%) - You 2HKO

DOUBLE KICK (this hits twice) 22 Atk vs 27 Def & 22 HP (30 Base Power): 4 - 6 (18.18% - 27.27%) - congrats, you did 8 damage

--

vs Pawniard 76 / 0 Eviolite (most are LO, but w/e)

HIDDEN POWER FIRE 11 Atk vs 15 Def & 22 HP (70 Base Power): 10 - 14 (45.45% - 63.64%) - Average of 12 Damage 2HKO

*2HKO any other form that isn't more defensive

--

vs Magnemite 156 / 0 Eviolite (most are scarf/LO)

HIDDEN POWER FIRE 11 Atk vs 18 Def & 21 HP (70 Base Power): 10 - 12 (47.62% - 57.14%) - Average of 10 Damage 2HKO with SR

*2HKO any other form that isn't more defensive
Thunderbolt can't 2HKO Slowpoke, don't bother using that unless you want to invest more into SpA, in which case you would have to sacrifice Attack or Speed EVs, which wouldn't be very smart (kind of like sacrificing a team slot to use Nidoran-M).

Edit2: Always Naive, wtf do you need Naughty for, to hit 1 damage harder and always get outsped by Scraggy n crew? It's not like you'd miss those Special Defense EVs either, you're not going be able to take hits period. Also note, 10 SpA to 11 SpA pretty much has no difference on the damage calculations for the Pokemon that matter, but the leftover EVs had no effect on HP or SpD (because of the lowered nature), so I just put them there.
 
Rivalry is cool. If you hate Hustle-misses. OO.

Maybe mention of TR? All slow-to-meh pokemon who are pretty strong like TR.

Also Tentacool lols at it.

Head Smash is awesome because it's Head Smash.

Counter could be useful with your horrible defenses.



[QC 1/2]
 

Diana

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Going to get to testing this soon but can say right away that Shadow Claw should be put in Other Options just because it's reliable. Sucker Punch is better but Shadow Claw has some utility.

Edit: Okay only had a few battles but everything was basically covered. Nidoran M is pretty bad but it can really only can do this.


[QC 2/2]
 
[Overview]

<p>Nidoran-M defines unique in Little Cup with thanks to a few uncommon characteristics. Firstly, it is one of the only Pokemon to get the ability Hustle, which allows it to fire off physical attacks with great power at the cost of a little Accuracy. Secondly, its Nidoran-M's access to useful obscure moves such as Ice Beam allow allows it to pick off certain Pokemon who would normally be very threatening to it such as Gligar. Poison typing grants Nidoran-M the ability to switch into different Fighting-type moves and revenge kill or attack. This typing also means that it can absorb Toxic Spikes, which, while not very common, can be a pain for most offensive teams to deal with. While its stats are subpar, Nidoran-M is definitely a threatening Pokemon and it should be treated as such.</p>

[SET]
name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Poison Jab
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Ice Beam
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Life Orb
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive
evs: 224 Atk / 36 Def / 40 SpA / 200 Spe
ivs: 3 HP / 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>A high Attack stat due to thanks to Hustle accompanied with a stellar special movepool are obvious grounds for a mixed set. Using moves from both sides of the attacking spectrum means Nidoran-M can hit all Pokemon from their weaker side, allowing it to 2HKO almost anything in LC. Poison Jab is Nidoran-M's hardest hitting move, and its high chance to inflict poison status means it can use it be used to defeat stall, allowing Nidoran-M to act somewhat as a stallbreaker. Sucker Punch is a blessing for Nidoran-M to have as it grants both priority and a super effective attack to use against Misdreavus and other Ghost-types. After a Poison Jab, Sucker Punch will KO standard 116 HP Eviolite Meditite, meaning most switch-ins can't even lay a hit on Nidoran-M. In fact, offensive Misdreavus is always KOed OHKOed by Sucker Punch without any residual damage. Ice Beam is another blessing for Nidoran-M to hit Ground-type Pokemon. While using obscure strategies such as Ice Beam on a Poison-type Pokemon may seem less effective, this is an exception for a few reasons. Firstly, since the beginning of Little Cup, Gligar has always been among the top four most used Pokemon in the metagame, showing it's extremely common. Nidoran's Poison typing will easily lure Gligar in, which is where Ice Beam comes into play. Ice Beam will do as it does massive amounts of damage to any Gligar, no matter what EV spread and item. Even with 236 HP EVs and Eviolite, the combination of Ice Beam and Sucker Punch will always KO Gligar. Hidden Power Fire takes a similar approach as Ferroseed will try to come in on Poison Jab, which is where you can use Hidden Power Fire to 2HKO it while not taking any hits.</p>

<p>To prove the power of Nidoran-M, take a look at the following damage calculations with the listed nature, EVs, and item:</p>

<ul class="damage_calculation">
<li>Poison Jab vs. 116/0 +1 Meditite 61.9% - 76.2%</li>
<li>Sucker Punch vs. 116/0 +1 Meditite 38.1% - 47.6%</li>
<li>Sucker Punch vs. 0/0 Misdreavus 118.2% - 145.5%</li>
<li>Ice Beam vs. 0/0 Gligar 139.1% - 173.9%</li>
<li>Ice Beam vs. 236/0 +1 Gligar 76.9% - 107.7%</li>
<li>Sucker Punch vs. 236/0 +1 Gligar 26.9% - 34.6%</li>
<li>Sucker Punch vs. 236/0 +1 Gligar 26.9% - 34.6%</li>
<li>Hidden Power Fire vs. 84/148+ +1 Ferroseed 72.7% - 90.9%</li>
</ul>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs maximize Nidoran-M's Attack and Speed whilst boosting its Special Attack and Defense a little. Shadow Claw over Sucker Punch is an option for reliability rather than power and priority. While it doesn't let Nidoran-M defeat Misdreavus without taking any damage, it can hit it on a the switch and OHKO it without any other damage. Substitute is another option over possibly either Ice Beam or Hidden Power Fire. Substitute will allow because it allows Nidoran-M to scout opponent's attacks before acting. This is a great combination with Sucker Punch as it not only allows Nidoran-M to avoid status moves that Sucker Punch draws, but it also encourages the opponent to attack, giving Sucker Punch more reliability. Hone Claws is another option to remedy Hustle's accuracy drop and raise Nidoran's Nidoran-M's not-so-stellar Attack, but it's extremely hard to set up with such low Speed compared to Gligar, Misdreavus, and others.</p>

<p>The best teammate for Nidoran Nidoran-M is bulky Eviolite Staryu. It can easily defeat Gligar with Water- or Ice-type moves, and it beats Frillish and Slowpoke with Thunderbolt. If you're using Substitute or Hone Claws in place of Hidden Power Fire, Magnemite with Hidden Power Fire can defeat Ferroseed. Alternatively, if you're not using Ice Beam, Magnemite with Hidden Power Ice and Choice Scarf can switch in on Gligar's Acrobatics and OHKO it. Dwebble is able to set up Stealth Rock and Spikes to aid Nidoran's sweep while Staryu can remove them from your side of the field with Rapid Spin.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Outside of "use something better," Nidoran-M doesn't have many other options. It has access to Disable, and it can make a good annoyer with Substitute and Disable as a combo. Toxic Spikes is an option to set up with a defensive Eviolite set, but Nidoran-M's amount of natural bulk is far from enough to tank hits, so it is probably better off as a suicide lead with Focus Sash if it's setting up Toxic Spikes. Super Fang is another option to make Nidoran a good wallbreaker; however, it is illegal with Hustle, so it is probably better to just attack. Rivalry is an option to remedy this, but Hustle is really the only thing that makes Nidoran-M good, and giving it up would be unfortunate. Trick Room is another strategy, and while Nidoran-M isn't too slow, it is much slower than Gligar, Misdreavus, and company and can take advantage of it with its mixed attacker set. If you are using Trick Room, and an EV spread of 68 HP / 224 Atk / 200 SpA with a Brave nature is ideal. Lastly, Head Smash is available, but its coverage isn't good and its recoil is too high.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Any Ghost-types with Substitute easily beat Nidoran-M. Wynaut, whose popularity has decreased, can still beat Nidoran-M using a combination of Encore, Counter, and Mirror Coat. While Nidoran-M has good coverage with its attacking moves, most Pokemon it can't hit super effectively such as Machop and Zorua will beat it one-on-one, so it must watch out for such threats. Scraggy takes nothing from its hits Nidoran-M and can set up Dragon Dance on it, which instantly makes it a threat. Wooper can beat it despite any boosts from Hone Claws courtesy of Unaware using Earthquake to OHKO it. Wooper can also use Recover to remove what any damage Nidoran-M inflicts. Slowpoke completely walls it Nidoran-M despite it having Sucker Punch and can OHKO it with Psychic. Gligar who can come in on anything other than Ice Beam can easily survive and OHKO it Earthquake.</p>

GP APPROVED 1/2
 

elDino

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Well, I was going to GP this, but you need to remove all mentions of banned Pokemon, and I feel that using Ice Beam is sort of pointless, since Gligar is now banned. Perhaps the set needs to be tweaked as well, and this may need to be redone.
 
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[Overview]

<p>Nidoran-M defines unique in Little Cup thanks to a few uncommon characteristics. Firstly, it is one of the only Pokemon to get the ability Hustle, which allows it to fire off physical attacks with great power at the cost of a little Accuracy. Secondly, Nidoran-M's access to useful obscure moves such as Thunderbolt allows it to pick off certain Pokemon who would normally be very threatening to it such as Slowpoke. Poison typing grants Nidoran-M the ability to switch into different Fighting-type moves and attack. This typing also means that it can absorb Toxic Spikes, which, while not very common, can be a pain for most offensive teams to deal with. While its stats are subpar, Nidoran-M is definitely a threatening Pokemon and it should be treated as such.</p>

[SET]
name: Mixed Attacker
move 1: Poison Jab
move 2: Sucker Punch
move 3: Thunderbolt
move 4: Hidden Power Fire
item: Life Orb
ability: Hustle
nature: Naive
evs: 224 Atk / 36 Def / 40 SpA / 200 Spe
ivs: 3 HP / 30 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>A high Attack stat thanks to Hustle with a stellar special movepool are obvious grounds for a mixed set. Using both physical and special moves from both sides of the attacking spectrum means Nidoran-M can hit almost all Pokemon from their weaker side, allowing it to 2HKO almost anything in LC. Poison Jab is Nidoran-M's hardest hitting move, and its high chance to inflict poison status means it can be used to defeat stall, allowing Nidoran-M to act somewhat as a makeshift stallbreaker. Sucker Punch is a blessing for Nidoran-M to have as it grants both priority and a super effective attack to use against Gastly and other Ghost-types. In fact, Offensive Gastly is always OHKOed by Sucker Punch without any residual damage. Thunderbolt is another blessing for Nidoran-M to hit bulky Water-types. While using obscure strategies such as Thunderbolt on a Poison-type Pokemon may seem less effective, this is an exception for a few reasons. Nidoran's Poison typing will easily lure Slowpoke in, which is where Thunderbolt comes into play as it does high amounts of damage to any Staryu, Slowpoke, and Frillish, no matter what EV spread and item. Hidden Power Fire takes a similar approach as Ferroseed will try to come in on Poison Jab, which is where you can use Hidden Power Fire to 2HKO it while not taking any hits.</p>

<p>To prove the power of Nidoran-M, take a look at the following damage calculations with the listed nature, EVs, and item:</p>(Put this back in if you have a bunch of calcs)

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs maximize Nidoran-M's Attack and Speed whilst boosting its Special Attack and Defense a little. Shadow Claw over Sucker Punch is an option for reliability rather than power and priority. While it doesn't let Nidoran-M defeat Gastly without taking any damage, it can hit it on the switch and OHKO it without any other damage. Substitute is another option over either Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire because it allows Nidoran-M to scout opponent's attacks before acting. This is a great combination with Sucker Punch as it not only allows Nidoran-M to avoid status moves that Sucker Punch draws, but it also encourages the opponent to attack, giving Sucker Punch more reliability. Hone Claws is another option to remedy Hustle's accuracy drop and raise Nidoran-M's not-so-stellar Attack, but it's extremely hard to set up with such low Speed compared to Diglett, Gastly, and others.</p>

<p>The best teammate for
Nidoran-M is bulky Eviolite Staryu. It can easily defeat Diglett with Water- or Ice-type moves, and it beats Frillish and Slowpoke with Thunderbolt. If you're using Substitute or Hone Claws in place of Hidden Power Fire, Magnemite with Hidden Power Fire can defeat Ferroseed. Dwebble is able to set up Stealth Rock and Spikes to aid Nidoran's sweep while Staryu can remove them from your side of the field with Rapid Spin.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Outside of "use something better," Nidoran-M doesn't have many other options. It has access to Disable, and it can make a good annoyer with Substitute and Disable as a combo. Toxic Spikes is an option to set up with a defensive Eviolite set, but Nidoran-M's amount of natural bulk is far from enough to tank hits, so it is probably better off as a suicide lead with Focus Sash if it's setting up Toxic Spikes. Super Fang is another option to make Nidoran a good wallbreaker; however, it is illegal with Hustle, so it is probably better to just attack. Rivalry is an option to remedy this, but Hustle is really the only thing that makes Nidoran-M good, and giving it up would be unfortunate. Trick Room is another strategy, and while Nidoran-M isn't too slow, it is much slower than Mienfoo, Taillow, and company and can take advantage of it that with its mixed attacker set. If you are using Trick Room, an EV spread of 68 HP / 224 Atk / 200 SpA with a Brave nature is ideal. Lastly, Head Smash is available, but its coverage isn't good and its recoil is too high.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Any Ghost-types with Substitute easily beat Nidoran-M. Wynaut, whose popularity has decreased, can still beat Nidoran-M using a combination of Encore, Counter, and Mirror Coat. While Nidoran-M has good coverage with its attacking moves, most Pokemon it can't hit super effectively such as Machop and Zorua will beat it one-on-one, so it must watch out for such threats. Scraggy takes nothing from Nidoran-M and can set up Dragon Dance on it, which instantly makes it a threat. Wooper can beat it despite any boosts from Hone Claws courtesy of Unaware using Earthquake to OHKO it. Wooper can also use Recover to remove any damage Nidoran-M inflicts.</p>


GP 2/2
 
thanks natty :D this is done. Also I wrote this before Wynaut became more popular, so I changed "Wynaut, whose popularity has decreased, can still beat..." to "Wynaut, whose popularity has increased, can beat..."
 
It probably will suck, but Hone Claws might be worth a mention for the fact that Hustle + Hone Claws is roughly equivalent to a non-Hustling Swords Dance boost with a little extra attack and accuracy.
 
[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The EVs maximize Nidoran-M's Attack and Speed whilst boosting its Special Attack and Defense a little. Shadow Claw over Sucker Punch is an option for reliability rather than power and priority. While it doesn't let Nidoran-M defeat Gastly without taking any damage, it can hit it on the switch and OHKO it without any other damage. Substitute is another option over either Thunderbolt or Hidden Power Fire because it allows Nidoran-M to scout opponent's attacks before acting. This is a great combination with Sucker Punch as it not only allows Nidoran-M to avoid status moves that Sucker Punch draws, but it also encourages the opponent to attack, giving Sucker Punch more reliability. Hone Claws is another option to remedy Hustle's accuracy drop and raise Nidoran-M's not-so-stellar Attack, but it's extremely hard to set up with such low Speed compared to Diglett, Gastly, and others.</p>

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