Who's a Boo? - An OU team-- Now formatted with more!

Medioc · Jul 29, 2011

Gengar doesn't appreciate when people think he'll disappear when they turn around.

Alright, so after getting back into the game a couple months ago, I've had to reteach myself the game, especially with the changes from Gen 3-up. That said, I've done a bit of testing, and I've finally become comfortable with a team on P.Online, as well as a younger version of the team in the game.

I've had some success on teams that didn't have a theme, as well as managing to defeat a Rain Dance team. I don't know how to deal with Sun or Sand so much yet, but without further ado, I will start the listing.

(This is an idealized version of the team, actual IVs will, most likely, prove a pain to breed).
(EDIT: Updated the EVs to make a bit more sense!)

Without further ado- Who's a Boo?

So, this team was originally based around my Fire Red team that I had sent to White, and has gone through very few changes, relatively.

Up until this last year, I've never really used Gengar- only Haunter, choosing to take Alakazam over Gengar time and time again. However, after learning how useful Gengar's movepool really is, I decided to try some new tactics, especially after playing through White and seeing the E4. Gengar has the rare combination of speed, power, and the ability to weaken threats. I knew immediately that I wanted to run it competitively.

Now, I had first seen Milotic for real when Cynthia did me the favor of using it against me. I was stunned by its special prowess- but also by how obnoxiously hard it was to kill. Looking into its moveset, I realized it was the perfect partner for Gengar- it could outlast a lot and had no double weaknesses.

Now, Krookodile was a star from B/W that I just was dying to include, with its incredible power- and its ghost/psychic resist/ignorance. In addition, the 'dile also counters electric types, especially with that amazing speed stat. Earthquake and Dark ahoy! But what really sealed the deal for me on Krookodile was that it had such a wide physical movepool- and Moxie only made that obscenely useful.

Aerodactyl, ever since Yellow, has been on my good side- its high attack power combined with its speed and SE coverage reminded me just how lucky I was to have it. Rock also hits very hard. Aerodactyl was everything I wanted in a physical sweeper- the perfect match to Gengar.

Kingdra. Now we have Dragon power- but not just any dragon. No, here we have a Dragon that can crit like crazy...and DOESN'T fear ice. While it trades in resist to electric and grass, Kingdra's lone weakness is perfectly handy. In addition, while it was a doubling down of water, Kingdra has the added bonus of acting as a Dragon and using Ice. Superb coverage, indeed. Another special to match a physical.

Rounding out the team is a mixed attacker, Electivire, another veteran of Fire Red (as an Electabuzz). The mixed attacking strategy in combination with the movepool allows Electivire to fill in most of the gaps that the rest of the team leaves. In addition, Electivire is no easy customer and is firmly ready to rock. So now we have a balance of 2 special attackers, 2 physical attackers, 1 mixed, and a tank.

(I'm still uncertain about Gliscor but will update with him if I do decide to make him part of the core.)

Jirachi comes in to change things up a bit and give my team another solid defender. Milotic's moveset has changed to a RestTalk build which seems to do pretty well, and Electivire's moveset has evolved to become much more useful, as has Kingdra's.

Gengar w/ Focus Sash (Female)
Naive- Levitate
(252 SpA/252 Speed/6 HP)

HP: 266
Attack: 166
Defense: 156
Special Attack: 359
Special Defense: 167
Speed: 350

Moveset:
Will-O-Wisp
Shadow Ball
Psychic
Thunderbolt

Gengar is most times my lead, whose main job is to start the game off by making things much more of a pain for sweepers, burning them and cutting their attack in half. If possible, Gengar then will swap out and act as either a hazard later on with Will-o-Wisp or as a special attacker (sometimes revenge killer) with its special attacks.
To make up for its fragility, I have given Gengar a Focus Sash, guaranteeing at least two attempts to use it.
Pros: Speed, burn, special attacks.
Cons: Hello paper-thin defenses! And Pursuit is scary to me.

Milotic (female) w/Leftovers
Calm- Marvel Scale
(252 Def/252 HP/6 Sp.D)

HP: 331
Attack: 140
Defense: 239
Special Attack: 267
Special Defense: 370
Speed: 198

Moveset:
Sleep Talk
Scald
Dragon Tail
Rest

Milotic is my wall/stall machine. With her natural defenses and amazing movepool, she can outlast..and put some pressure on with her status-inflicting moves.

Pros: Wall, good recovery, status moves
Cons: @.@ owie electric...and no good answer to eating a toxic. ))

Krookodile (female) w/ Choice Scarf
Naughty- Moxie
(252 Atk/252 Speed/6 Sp.D)

HP: 331
Attack: 366
Defense: 176
Special Attack: 166
Special Defense: 158
Speed: 283

Moveset:
Crunch
Earthquake
Outrage
Brick Break

Krookodile is a sort of hybrid in my view. Partially a revenge killer- partially a sweeper in her own right. The guitar-chord sounding pokemon can be incredibly dangerous at even a mere +1. I've watched it take two or more victims and sweep- but at the same time, Dark and Ground have a plenty of weaknesses, which are not well mitigated by each other (Bug is debatable- it's still neutral). Special is also not exactly a good stat for the 'Dile.

Pros: Hard to beat when it comes to revenge kills, punishes Swords Dance/Dragon Dancers, good sweeper typing

Cons: Easily locked into things due to OR and Scarf, again with the paper-thin defenses

Jirachi- Serene Grace
Careful
252 HP/6 Def/ 252 Spe. D.
Toxic
Wish
Stealth Rock
Iron Head

Jirachi does the double duty of setting up hazards while also being a steel damage tank. Iron Head with Serene Grace is just...so good it's gross, Wish support is nice, and I chose Toxic because I like being able to force moves.

Aerodactyl (female) w/ Choice Band
Jolly -Pressure
(252 Attack/252 Speed/6 HP)

HP: 301
Attack: 309
Defense: 149
Special Attack: 156
Special Defense: 186
Speed: 394

Moveset:
Stone Edge
Earthquake
Aerial Ace
Fire Fang

Aerodactyl has impressed me time and time again, both in game and in testing. Its damage output is incredible- and its movepool is surprisingly good. Originally, I ran Dragon Claw, but I couldn't find too many times when I would dragon claw over Stone Edge or Earthquake. As a result, I dropped it for Fire fang, which covers grass, steel, ice....
Aerodactyl serves as my Ferrothorn killer often, but can sweep, depending on what comes at her. I still fear pursuit, but Aerodactyl does a good job.

Pros: High attack output, attacks first ~85% of the time, good movepool, sweeps.

Cons: Very easy to punish with specials & weaknesses.

Gliscor (Male) w/Toxic Orb
Impish - Poison Heal
EVs : 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
HP: 354

Attack: 226
Defense: 365
Special Attack: 113
Special Defense: 186
Speed: 244

-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Swords Dance
-Protect

Pros: Auto-regeneration is quite handy, and the ability to hit with a tank is quite useful.
Cons: Ice x4 weakness, No Recover button, no Toxic (considering changing the moveset a little)

Kingdra (female) w/Choice Specs
Modest- Sniper
(255 Sp.A/120 Sp.D/132 Speed)

HP:291
Attack: 203
Defense: 226
Special Attack: 317
Special Defense: 256
Speed: 239

Moveset:
Brine
HP Fire
Ice Beam
Draco Meteor

Kingdra is a sweeper on my team that is NOT made of paper. The fact that Kingdra only eats one weakness is amazing- and incredibly handy. The speed on this one is also rather handy- and Sniper was chosen for a reason. I debated running Scope Lens (or whichever lens it was that increased crits) over Specs, but I rather like the raw power push. The supercrit ability with Brine was almost impossible to pass up- especially with Dragon pulse and Ice beam abusable as well. Kingdra has done horrible, horrible things in my name, and I love it.

Pros: High sp.attack power, very hard to resist damage, crit crit crit crit crit.
Cons: Does not survive many Dragon Rushes or Draco Meteors.

Electivire w/Expert Belt
Naive- Motor Drive
(168 Attack/172 Sp.A/168 Speed)

HP: 291
Attack: 324
Defense: 170
Special Attack: 269
Special Defense: 206
Speed:268

Moveset:
Thunder
HP Ice
Cross Chop
Flamethrower

This one was based on the Electivire I actually currently own, which I had sent from FireRed to SoulSilver to White. I recognize it could likely use a better nature, but I'm undecided- also, I recognize two of its moves are Electric, but I like the mixed attacker approach.

EDIT: This better moveset works wonders. :D
Pros: Good mixed attacker, can throw opponents off-guard, hits hard.
Cons: Not very high physical defense, , possibly wrong item. Gets beat to the punch speed-wise more than I'd like.
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Here is a link to the analysis of threats, both offensive and defensive, lower on this page, but linked here for convenience.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3703413&postcount=12

So to sum up, my team is meant to hit hard and fast, but is also designed to be able to weather other tanks. I suppose it would be considered a mixed approach. Anyhow, thank you all for your time!

BTzz · Jul 29, 2011

This is a much better set for Kingdra coverage wise. The power drop from d-meteor may seem like a turn off, but since your specs you'll be switching a lot anyways.

Draco Meteor
Surf
Ice Beam
Hidden Power [Fire]

Medioc · Jul 29, 2011

I see what you mean. D-meteor looks like a winner over D-Pulse, easy. I'm in the process of comparing Surf and Brine, and I have to admit, I am a little biased toward the latter, for the possibility of supercrits.

Thank you very much for the info! :)

GtM · Jul 29, 2011

True facts: Two Draco Meteors do more damage than two Dragon Pulses (140 +70 = 210, 90 + 90 = 180), and for a Specs user you shouldn't need more than two hits on something to kill it.

Jirachee · Jul 29, 2011

Hey there,

From the start, you have to correct many of your pokémon's moveset. First off, if you use lead Gengar, you should always use Destiny Bond. Focus Sash allows it to work decently, and paired with Icy Wind, it ensures you'll be faster than the opponent almost 100% of the time. When used well, you can kill 1-2 pokémon with that. Gengar is very frail to use Will-O-Wisp, and has plenty other things to do, while Thunderbolt's coverage is unneeded, so you could swap these two for Dbond and Icy Wind. Krookodile has a really good attack stat, so you shouldn't waste it with Foul Play. Crunch is a lot better, since it allows you to use that base 117 atk and using Moxie. Considering nothing is immune to Crunch, and rare are the things that doubly resist it, you could easily pull off a late game sweep with it. An un-STABed Outrage is fairly weak and has pathetic S-E coverage, so Stone Edge might be the best choice, giving you EdgeQuake coverage, and allowing you to pummel Salamence and other Flyers that want to get on Earthquake. For Aerodactyl, I'd swap Fire Fang or Aerial Ace for Stealth Rock, since your team is weatherless, it changes many 2HKOes into OHKOes. Considering you use an attacking set, Life Orb is probably superior to King's Rock, since Aero dies to nearly anything bar resisted hits, and even then, absurdly strong hits like Fire Blast from SpecsTran will kill it quickly. For Kingdra, Brizznetz has a pretty good set coverage wise. Also, if you give it Swift Swim, Kingdra will really tear Rain teams apart with its insane speed and power, and Sniper isn't a very good ability, so you might want to consider that. Electivire's set is the one who needs the most work. First of all, Hardy is never a good nature choice. For E-vire, I suggest Hasty, since you'll really want to make the most use of the speed boost from Motor Drive, and it won,t be taking physical hits well anyway. Un-STABed Psychic is REALLY bad, I mean, the only things you will end up hitting harder are Conkeldurr and Terrakion, the first who won't like your special Electric moves, and the latter you have no business dealing with. I suggest you change his moveset for this :

Electivire @ Expert Belt / Life Orb
Hasty
Motor Drive
EVs : 40 Atk / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
-Thunderbolt
-Hidden Power Ice
-Flamethrower
-Cross Chop

Electivire makes a very good wallbreaker in BW OU, as it lures Gliscor very effectively, it also beats Ferrothorn and Jellicent, and also heavily denting SpD Tran.

Your team is also extremely weak to Excadrill. the standard Swords Dance set will easily tear every members of this team to shred, even Milotic. I suggest you change it for a Gliscor. It is the best Excadrill stopper in the metagame, as it walls it to death and got a super-effective STAB Earthquake to slay it with. It will also help your team with Terrakion, since everytime it gets in play you're almost sure to lose a pokémon. Furthermore, Milotic as a physical wall isn't bulky enough for today's extremely brutal metagame, as most powerful STAB moves will kill it in 2 hits, even with maximum investment. Here's the Gliscor set you should use :

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Poison Heal
Impish
EVs : 252 HP / 184 Def / 72 Spe
-Earthquake
-Ice Fang
-Swords Dance
-Protect

Be careful with Protect though, as most people expect it and will set up in your face if you carelessly use it.

There's still a lot to work, but good luck.

skyhigh256 · Jul 29, 2011

In order to achieve better overall bulk, Milotic needs 252 Hp EVs. Not much point investing in special attack. You should focus your EVs on its defenses instead. Try:

Milotic @ Leftovers
Bold nature, 252hp/252 def/4 Sp. Atk OR Calm nature, 252hp/200def/56 Sp. Def
- Scald
- Recover
- Haze/Dragon Tail
- Toxic

The first ev spread ensures maximum physical bulk whilst the latter makes Milotic still hardy enough to take some unboosted neutral physical hits with a much more significant special def.

The moves allow you to spread statuses and haze/phaze. Otherwise, many things set up on Milotic, as is the case of many bulky waters in general. With marvel scale up, Milotic can defeat excadrill (but it's very situational; late game may not be possible) although gliscor is hands-down, the best excadrill counter in the metagame in my humble opinion.

Medioc · Jul 29, 2011

I would first like to reply- Thank you so much for the rates and information!

On Milotic, I think that I'll first go ahead and try your idea, skyhigh- I like the calm set, and I feel like that has potential. I'll have to compare/contrast haze and dragon tail for viability.

At the same time, I think I will play around with trying out Gliscor a few matches in Milotic's place with a build like the one you suggested, Steeli. I've been wanting to use one, but I was worried it wasn't wallish enough. But most definitely worth a try.

I think I'll also go ahead and try the other poke builds, too. I rather like the Electivire one and I have to agree that the Swift Swim Kingdra, while it no longer would have the supercrit chance that I really like, would become dreadfully powerful as a rain counter.

I think I also misunderstood how Foul Play works- I was working under the assumption that it was using physical strength like crunch and was therefore better in all ways- but if it doesn't then I would rather run Crunch to take advantage of the damage boost.

On Aerodactyl, I could consider throwing Aerial Ace for Stealth Rock, but I really would like to keep Fire Fang to deal with Steels- especially Ferrothorn who otherwise takes its sweet time annoying this team. My only regret in that case would be that Aerial ace's STAB, while only a mere 90 power, combined with Aerodactyl's superb attack stat and flying's ability to hit hard...well, that makes it a hard choice...but then again, Entry hazards are really good.

As for Gengar, I sort of have trouble understanding your idea, Steeli. I think we're using two completely different ideas. My idea for Gengar is to use him specifically for Will-o-Wisp with the special attacker part second. Icy Wind + Destiny bond... o.O Well, it looks like it'd scare them to switches, which is good, but at the same time, I'm not sure how that would benefit me if I traded pokes. (although even in my build Gengar has low survivability). If possible, maybe you could explain this one a bit more before I try it?

Thank you so much for the help!

GreasyPanda · Jul 29, 2011

This is a pretty solid team and these guys covered most things but you might wanna try a choice band on aerodactyl. It truly makes him a beast and allows him to OHKO much easier.

Milking the Tank · Jul 29, 2011

Although that Milotic is a great wall, there are way too many Electric-types in the metagame that can take out Milotic swiftly, even with her bulkyness. Your team is somewhat solid, but it had a Virizion/Leafeon/Tangrowth/any other Grass-type Pokemon weakness. Virizion can sweep this team with a few SDs, and come and go Leaf Blade, SE, and CB. Anyways, why do you have a King's Rock? I thought that King's Rock is banned? Despite that, on your Kingdra, might as well use a standard DD set. It's quicker, effecient, and worth your bet.

Medioc · Jul 30, 2011

Oh! I wasn't aware about the Rock's status- I'll have to go ahead and take the advice and change Aerodactyl's loadout ASAP then!

I see- so the metagame is against bulky waters? Okay. I'll have to try to either get used to Gliscor or find a new tank. I'm not used to running Gliscor, but I'm open to it. Any other good tank-types that would fit this team?

Also, much thanks for the rates!

Some updates- I've done a bit of testing and I've learned the following amongst my laggy tries.

The new Electivire build is amazing, and while I'm scrubby with Gliscor, it does a good job. I'll have to learn more about it.

Also, I definitely find Draco Meteor to be a huge success. I'm not sure why I had thought it was in the vein of Blast Burn, Hydro Cannon et al of different typed hyper beams. *a bit embarrassed* XD

More experimenting to come! Thank you in advance and for everything so far!

skyhigh256 · Jul 30, 2011

It's not right to say that the metagame is against bulky waters. Every pokemon has their counters. If you provide a pokemon with the right support, that pokemon will truly shine and prove its value on your team. There are many bulky waters who are widely used such as vaporeon, jellicent, milotic etc.

Medioc · Jul 30, 2011

Thought I would just go ahead and do a bit of analysis with my experiences to try to give a better picture.

Aerodactyl - With my own Aerodactyl, I find it hard to fear others', especially due to 5/6 members of my team being able to wipe this thing out easy.

Archeops - This thing can hurt, but even my wall can cripple it in one blow. Not too afraid of it.

Azelf - Never seen one of these in a battle, but I feel that I could wipe it out fairly easily with speed.

Bisharp - Electivire eats this thing alive- as does Aerodactyl and Krookodile for that matter.

Breloom - Aerodactyl and Kingdra eat this guy for breakfast, provided they don't eat a Spore.

Chandelure - Krookodile, Aerodactyl, Kingdra and Milotic stack against this one.

Cobalion - Electivire, Aerodactyl and Milotic beat this guy.

Conkeldurr - Gengar. Lots of Gengar.

Darmanitan - Miltoic, Kingdra, Aerodactyl, Krookodile... not a good day to be fire-type against this team.

Deoxys-S - Gengar shuts this down due to the Focus Sash.

Dragonite - Gengar shuts this guy's attack power down while Kingdra kills it with raw power.

Druddigon - Aerodactyl outspeeds it and OHKOs it with Stone Edge.

Eelektross - Kill it kill it kill it dead! But seriously- Krookodile and Electivire come out swinging on this guy.

Electivire - Krookodile and Aerodactyl outspeed this guy and throw E-quakes out to OHKO him

Emboar - Milotic walls him. Hard.

Empoleon - Gengar uses T-bolt, Aerodactyl/Krookodile E-quake, Milotic walls.

Espeon - Brute force + Gengar.

Escavalier - Electivire/Aerodactyl should be able to handle this guy with Flamethrower/F.Fang

Excadrill - This guy is the real biggest threat to the team. I try to kill it dead with Kingdra and Milotic, but it really is a race. Aerodactyl with E-quake helps.

Genesect - Aerodacyl/Electivire outspeed/outlast this guy, and fire is x4 weakness.

Gengar - My Gengar tends to be faster and is sashed- meaning Psychic/Shadow Ball tends to be fatal to only their side.

Golurk - Gengar/Kingdra/Milotic.

Gyarados - Electivire, provided it doesn't die, says hi. Aerodactyl comes in with STAB stone edge, too.

Haxorus - Kingdra or Aerodactyl with Stone Edge STAB. Milotic possibly as well.

Heatran - Milotic, Aerodactyl, Electivire, Kingdra....my team is not afraid of Heatran.

Heracross - Gengar eats this guy pretty well, but just in case, Aerodactyl is faster.

Hydreigon - This guy scares me from experience. Kingdra SHOULD be able to handle him, and Aerodactyl should be able to handle him with Stone Edge.

Infernape - Milotic, Kingdra, Aerodactyl, Krookodile, even Gengar- it's a race, really.

Jirachi - Krookodile, if it swings first, eats through Jirachi with ease. Even so, Aerodactyl and Electivire are on watch.

Jolteon - Krookodile and Electivire come out to hate on this guy.

Keldeo - Never seen him in battle, but I can't see him beating Milotic and Electivire.

Kingdra - My Kingdra tends to be faster, but if it does come after me, Electivire and Aerodactyl are ready to try to STAB neutral back.

Krookodile - Milotic, Electivire and Kingdra all OHKO this if they go first.

Kyurem - Kingdra and Aerodactyl make short work of this guy.

Landorus - Frightens me, but I think Kingdra beats it with x4 Ice weakness.

Latios - Kingdra should be able to eat a single D.Meteor and strike back, but Krookodile and Aerodactyl wait in the wings.

Lilligant - Aerodactyl and Electivire are hungry to take this thing out ASAP.

Lucario - Aerodactyl outspeeds and has Fire Fang and E-quake. Gengar is ready to fight and weaken it.

Machamp - Gengar is not afraid of this guy. Will-o-wisp, and punish with Psychic. Aerodactyl also is there to punish.

Magnezone - Aerodactyl and Krookodile want to hit it ASAP, Electivire doesn't fear it.

Mamoswine - Aerodactyl has neutral Stone Edge, Krookodile has Brick Break, Electivire has Flamethrower and Cross chop. Milotic knows no Mamo fear.

Meloetta-S - Don't know how to fight this, but pretty sure I can wall it.

Meloetta-V - See above.

Metagross - Most of my team is ready to fight this- not too scared of it.

Mienshao - Gengar and Aerodactyl are faster and ready with weaknesses.

Reuniclus - Krookodile and Gengar attempt to beat this, try to wall with Milotic. This thing scares me.

Roserade - Gengar doesn't care about poison, Aerodactyl has multiple weaknesses on it, Electivire has F-thrower, and Kingdra has Ice Beam.

Salamence - Aerodactyl has Stone Edge, Milotic can wall it down and Kingdra can revenge kill it.

Sawsbuck - I don't often fight this thing, but I've found that Electivire does a good job of handling it.

Scizor - Aerodactyl, if it doesn't eat death from a bullet punch, eats this, Electivre and Krookodile should do alright.

Scrafty- Aerodactyl goes out of its way to try to kill this thing ASAP, Gengar burns it to slow it down, Krookodile tries to kill it first.

Seismitoad - Milotic and Kingdra can eat its hits and hit back.

Serperior - Aerodactyl and Gengar fear nothing from Serperior. Electivire is ready to hit as well.

Shaymin - I haven't fought one of these, but I do know to fear Earth Power. Aerodactyl and hopefully Gengar can take this thing.

Sigilyph - Gengar and Aerodactyl are faster and have STAB.

Smeargle - Milotic can stall this thing, Kingdra and the others can outdamage it.

Starmie - Time and Time again Gengar wipes this thing out. Milotic also is ready for this thing as is Kingdra.

Terrakion - Gengar. Gengar as hard as you can. Also, Krookodile and Aero have E-quake.

Thundurus - Aerodactyl is faster and has S.Effective STAB. Gengar hits neutral with T-bolt and Shadow ball.

Togekiss - Gengar ignores normal damage and dishes out T-bolt, Aerodactyl has type advantage, Milotic can wall.

Tornadus - Gengar, Aerodactyl and Electivire eat this thing.

Tyranitar - Gengar likes to hit it with Will-o-wisp to neuter it, Milotic likes to wall it.

Venusaur - Aerodactyl knows no Venu-fear, Gengar can even wall it/psychic it.

Victini - Gengar is a bit faster with Shadow ball and T-bolt. Milotic can eat a V-create.

Virizion - Gengar and Aerodactyl outspeed this and the latter has STAB super effective.

Volcarona - Aerodactyl uses Stone Edge. Gone.

Weavile - Another one Gengar tries to neuter, Kingdra and Aerodactyl try to kill it fast.

Zoroark - Normally I just throw out Electivire and let him cross-chop to town.

So my analysis may be a little optimistic, but these are based off of my experiences. If possible, I would not mind more input to see where I might be wrong on this one.
Will update with Defensive Threats shortly. @_@ But for now, offensive threats!

Defensive Threats

Alomomola - Gengar and Electivire eat this thing alive.

Blissey - Milotic outwalls this thing.

Bronzong - Krookodile, Aerodactyl and Electivire eat this thing.

Celebi - Aerodactyl drastically shortens this one's life, as does Electivire.

Chansey - I've watched Milotic outwall this time and time again.

Deoxys-D - Krookodile and Milotic can stall this to a halt.

Cofagrigus - Gengar eats this thing alive too. Outwallable.

Crustle - This one loses, ironically enough, to Milotic and Kingdra.

Dusclops - Gengar will status it and super-effective it, but Milotic'll stall it too.

Ferrothorn - Aerodactyl and Electivire both 4x this thing down.

Forretress - Aerodactyl and Electivire, but Kingdra works too.

Garbodor - Krookodile, Electivire, Aerodactyl, all can deal with it.

Gigalith - Milotic and Kingdra have this one easy.

Gliscor - Milotic can outwall it, Kingdra can 4x it.

Hippowdon - Battle of the walls, Milotic can outlast it with effort, Kingdra can push it with Sp.Attack

Jellicent - Gengar and Electivire take care of this.

Latias - Krookodile and Gengar specialize in beating this, but Aerodactyl isn't shabby either.

Mandibuzz - Aerodactyl stomps this thing, but Electivire and Gengar aren't afraid of it either.

Murkrow - Aerodactyl has nothing to fear here- Gengar has a little to, but is faster.

Ninetales - Most of my team has an advantage on Ninetales.

Politoed - This one is a bit of a headache to fight. Electivire can take it out if it's not out-predicted.

Porygon2 - Haven't faced this one, but there's a lot of raw power that can hit this thing, and Milotic can outlast it.

Rotom-H - Lots of water power on this team, as well as Rock.

Rotom-W - Not too afraid of this one- hitting it with what I have seems to work.

Scolipede - As long as I don't get chain steamroller'd, my team eats this thing alive.

Skarmory - Aerodactyl and Electivire wreck this thing.

Snorlax - This one is always a challenge. Milotic can fight it, wall to wall, but it is rather difficult.

Suicune - Electivire should be able to handle this one, but Aerodactyl and Gengar hit hard enough to make up for it.

Swampert - Lacking grass hurts against this thing, but Milotic can hold it in a fight.

Tentacruel - Gengar and Electivire eat this thing alive.
Vaporeon - Depending on Protect luck, Gengar and Electivire eat this alive- and it's not so bulky that it can eat too many Stone Edges while it's at it.
Whimsicott - Aerodactyl eats this. So does Electivire. Xatu - Electivire and Gengar make this thing suffer.

Zapdos - Electivire has nothing to fear from this bird and will hit it all day- while Aerodactyl hits it like a train.

Evire · Jul 31, 2011

I recommend looking on the forums for the sets for these pokes? as your sets aren't very solid

Medioc · Jul 31, 2011

@ Evire- how so?

Also, whoops, forgot to change my Electivire's held item. Mind plate is a no-go with that moveset. Expert Belt swapped in.

MasterPokemonDude · Jul 31, 2011

I think its a pretty good team but you need to know how to use the moves correctly.Do you?

Medioc · Jul 31, 2011

@ MasterPokemonDude- Well, in my testing, I've done a pretty good job with the team using Milotic instead of Gliscor- though occasionally I do over-predict and play moves that are too conservative instead of going for the throat (particularly with Gengar). Gliscor, I have to admit, I have to learn. That'll take a little bit of time. But the others, for the most part, I get how to play.

Medioc · Aug 4, 2011

Okay, so a bit of an update- Been doing some testing on Pokemon Online and here's what I've run across:

Aerodactyl: Stealth Rock is incredibly useful, but not as useful as Fire Fang. Aerial Ace is also good on it, but it depends on the opponent for whether or not I benefit all that much.
Gliscor/Milotic: Maybe I just don't know how to run Gliscor correctly, but every time I have him out, he gets zerg-rushed and killed before he can really do any good. Milotic, on the other hand, has done well utilizing Dragon Tail. For now, I think I'll stick with D-tail Milotic.
Electivire: HUGE HUGE success. The advice on him was excellent- thank you so much!
Gengar: I need to be a bit more careful with over-using Will-o-Wisp, but otherwise, this set is doing well. Debating swapping Psychic for Icy Wind, though. Maybe.
Kingdra: New set is working amazingly. D-meteor is so much better than I had expected.
Krookodile: Hit or miss, really. In many matches, it'll get OHKO'd, but in nearly as many matches if not as many, it'll sweep. Not sure what to do with that.

Evire · Aug 7, 2011

Also when doing RMTs, rather than post what the stat is, post the EV spread, as people can get a better idea of what you are trying to achieve with the respective spread :]

Medioc · Aug 11, 2011

@Evire- Perhaps a case of too much information? I thought it would be helpful to add the actual stat levels with the EV spread because I figured it would help show what is viable, but I guess it might be too much. I could take it out or put it in spoiler tags.

Battler3797 · Aug 11, 2011

GtM said:
True facts: Two Draco Meteors do more damage than two Dragon Pulses (140 +70 = 210, 90 + 90 = 180), and for a Specs user you shouldn't need more than two hits on something to kill it.

lol no offense but that math is wrong. Draco meteor doesnt cut its power in half it cuts your special attack down 2 stages plus your opponent would probably switch to a steel type so you most likely wouldnt be doing two draco meteors anyways

Rishidafishi · Aug 11, 2011

Why are you running hasty on Aerodactyl? Just use jolly

Medioc · Aug 11, 2011

o.O Well it didn't seem like much of a difference, but I can use Jolly. I have a Hasty one, so I went with what I had. Jolly makes more sense though and makes Aerodactyl a little better off in the taking damage department.

Browners · Aug 11, 2011

Ok, i'll give you a nice big rate for you, and i'll break it down in to sections for you :)

Electivire
Ok, 2 things a little shaky:
1. Thunder.
Although powerful, with the prevalence of sun and sand in OU, you're pretty much relying on the opponent to bring a rain team. This is a fatal flaw in pokemon, relying on your opponent. It's also E-Vire's STAB, so you want it to be you're "go -to" move, and I'm afraid Thunder doesn't cut it. So I would replace Thunder with Thunderbolt or Wild Charge depending on whether you want to go physical or special.

2. Motor Drive.
The whole point of Electivire is to get a Motor Drive boost and sweep from there. So you need someone who will draw in electric type attacks. I know you're thinking Milotic but there is one guy who does the job SO much better...

Replace Milotic With Gyarados
I recommend a bulky DD set, as it works really well with Electivire offensively, forming a nice "Gyaravire" Sweeping core for you. The set is:

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Taunt
- Bounce

Ok so in terms of offense of you're team you have:
Scarfed Krokodile
Banded Aeorodactyl
DD Gyarados
Mixed Attacking Electivire
Specs Kingdra

I know this is an offensive team dude but you HONESTLY don't need that many (And Aerodactyl kinda sucks this generation). You also need hazards it's a must, trust me. There are two ways you can do this...

Replace Aerodactyl with Specially Defensive Jirachi
Checks many threats in the Metagame, Provides Wish support and hazard support as well as an also gives your team a steel type which is kinda important. Here's the set:

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Stealth Rock
- Body Slam
- Iron Head

AND/OR

Another direction you could go in is Dual Screen Support This is essential on offensive teams as there are no dedicated walls to take hits. I would recommend a Dual Screen Deoxys S Lead In place of Gengar or Aerodactyl. This guy works great as a suicide lead. He gets up Dual Screens and hazards as well as his taunt being the fastest in the game by a HUGE margin, nullifying the need for attacking moves (Other guy can't taunt you) as well as giving the opposing lead a hard time. Here's the set straight off smogon:

Deoxys-S @ Light Clay
Trait: Pressure
EV's: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Taunt
- Spikes / Stealth Rock

Additional Options
As I am not sure which direction you want to go in i'm afraid I can't do much to help you further, but here are a few ideas:

-If you're going to use Jirachi, give it a team mate who can take physical hits and check stuff like Excadrill, Terrakion and Conkeldurr. Slowbro or Gliscor will do the job EXCELLENTLY.

-Although Krokodile is awesome in RU/UU I very much doubt it's viability in OU, so i would recommend Choice banded Scizor, or Choice Scarf Terrakion instead of Krokodile and/or Aerodactyl.

-SubSplit Or SubDisable Gengar work SUPER well in this metagame, you could try those

-Choice Specs Latios works a lot better than Kingdra, being faster and packing more of a punch, as well as doing basically the same thing (Except the very situational Swift Swim) Use Surf>Brine on the Latios set.

Good Luck with the team hope I helped :)

Medioc · Aug 11, 2011

Hi there! Thanks for the rate! I'm gonna go ahead and see what I can do, and thank you for the advice- I did have some questions and thoughts if you don't mind.

Browners said:
Ok, i'll give you a nice big rate for you, and i'll break it down in to sections for you :)

Electivire
Ok, 2 things a little shaky:
1. Thunder.
Although powerful, with the prevalence of sun and sand in OU, you're pretty much relying on the opponent to bring a rain team. This is a fatal flaw in pokemon, relying on your opponent. It's also E-Vire's STAB, so you want it to be you're "go -to" move, and I'm afraid Thunder doesn't cut it. So I would replace Thunder with Thunderbolt or Wild Charge depending on whether you want to go physical or special.

2. Motor Drive.
The whole point of Electivire is to get a Motor Drive boost and sweep from there. So you need someone who will draw in electric type attacks. I know you're thinking Milotic but there is one guy who does the job SO much better...

Okay. Point one- you are absolutely correct. Electivire needs to be able to take advantage of his type more, so we'll go ahead with that. :) Quite helpful, really

2) Point 2- well, Actually, Aerodactyl and Milotic both pull electricity, But Milotic's job isn't so much to do that as it is to tank. Do I need something to pull the electricity? Or is a tank better?

Replace Milotic With Gyarados
I recommend a bulky DD set, as it works really well with Electivire offensively, forming a nice "Gyaravire" Sweeping core for you. The set is:

Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Trait: Intimidate
EVs: 156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Waterfall
- Taunt
- Bounce

Ok so in terms of offense of you're team you have:
Scarfed Krokodile
Banded Aeorodactyl
DD Gyarados
Mixed Attacking Electivire
Specs Kingdra

I know this is an offensive team dude but you HONESTLY don't need that many (And Aerodactyl kinda sucks this generation). You also need hazards it's a must, trust me. There are two ways you can do this...

o.O Bounce? I like most of that set but I think I'd go for a RestTalk Gyarados if I did replace Milotic. I'm a little confused on your thoughts here, I think I'm missing the point, possibly.

Replace Aerodactyl with Specially Defensive Jirachi
Checks many threats in the Metagame, Provides Wish support and hazard support as well as an also gives your team a steel type which is kinda important. Here's the set:

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Trait: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SDef
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk)
- Wish
- Stealth Rock
- Body Slam
- Iron Head

AND/OR

Another direction you could go in is Dual Screen Support This is essential on offensive teams as there are no dedicated walls to take hits. I would recommend a Dual Screen Deoxys S Lead In place of Gengar or Aerodactyl. This guy works great as a suicide lead. He gets up Dual Screens and hazards as well as his taunt being the fastest in the game by a HUGE margin, nullifying the need for attacking moves (Other guy can't taunt you) as well as giving the opposing lead a hard time. Here's the set straight off smogon:

Deoxys-S @ Light Clay
Trait: Pressure
EV's: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature (+Spe, -SAtk)
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Taunt
- Spikes / Stealth Rock

o.O I like both these builds, but wouldn't swapping Krookodile be better than swapping Aerodactyl? I feel like Aerodactyl's build has better coverage.

Additional Options
As I am not sure which direction you want to go in i'm afraid I can't do much to help you further, but here are a few ideas:

-If you're going to use Jirachi, give it a team mate who can take physical hits and check stuff like Excadrill, Terrakion and Conkeldurr. Slowbro or Gliscor will do the job EXCELLENTLY.

-Although Krokodile is awesome in RU/UU I very much doubt it's viability in OU, so i would recommend Choice banded Scizor, or Choice Scarf Terrakion instead of Krokodile and/or Aerodactyl.

-SubSplit Or SubDisable Gengar work SUPER well in this metagame, you could try those

-Choice Specs Latios works a lot better than Kingdra, being faster and packing more of a punch, as well as doing basically the same thing (Except the very situational Swift Swim) Use Surf>Brine on the Latios set.

Good Luck with the team hope I helped :)

Well, to sum up the post, I think I'll give some of your ideas a try, and thank you very much for the rate! I don't feel comfortable with some of the shifts but it is definitely worth a try.

Browners · Aug 12, 2011

Medioc said:
Hi there! Thanks for the rate! I'm gonna go ahead and see what I can do, and thank you for the advice- I did have some questions and thoughts if you don't mind.

Okay. Point one- you are absolutely correct. Electivire needs to be able to take advantage of his type more, so we'll go ahead with that. :) Quite helpful, really

2) Point 2- well, Actually, Aerodactyl and Milotic both pull electricity, But Milotic's job isn't so much to do that as it is to tank. Do I need something to pull the electricity? Or is a tank better?

o.O Bounce? I like most of that set but I think I'd go for a RestTalk Gyarados if I did replace Milotic. I'm a little confused on your thoughts here, I think I'm missing the point, possibly.

o.O I like both these builds, but wouldn't swapping Krookodile be better than swapping Aerodactyl? I feel like Aerodactyl's build has better coverage.

Well, to sum up the post, I think I'll give some of your ideas a try, and thank you very much for the rate! I don't feel comfortable with some of the shifts but it is definitely worth a try.

Its totally fine. Its your team. Now in terms of Gyarados, Its up to you where you put him/if you use him at all, just saying that Gyarados pairs REALLY well with Electivire offensively. RestTalk Gyarados will NOT work on this team as it requires multiple entry hazards to be up (i.e. stealth rock + spikes) so unless you're planning on adding a skarmory or a ferrothorn the RestTalk shuffler Gyarados won't work for you I'm afraid.

Also if you need some bulk then as i Suggested Slowbro, Gliscor, Jirachi, Ferrothorn and Jellicent areaong the top defensive threats this generation, so I would recommend at least one of those on you're team. It is worth noting that you're going to want to run Ice Punch on Electivire over HP ice, as it hits on your more powerful physical side as well as having a higher base power.

Also, Bounce on Gyarados is STAB, gives you extra lefties recovery and the combination of Waterfall + Bounce is resisted only by Empoleon, Lanturn and Rotom W. The latter being the biggest threat and the largest check to Gyarados and Electivire.

For that reason I would reccommend a grass type such as Celebi, Shaymin or Ferrothorn to deal with said Rotom Wash. I don't want to over do it with your team but the washing machine is really really common this generation thanks to it's typing + levitate. If you do not prepare for it then you are going to lose a significant portion of you're matches.

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