Jynx (Dry Skin Update)

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With the new Dream World area came Smoochum. Now it's time to update my Jynx analysis with Dry Skin.
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Jynx

[Overview]

<p>Jynx has an excellent base 115 Special Attack stat and decent Speed and Special Defense stats of 95. From this information, Jynx may look like a great sweeper, but she is held back by a horrible base 35 Defense stat. This makes her extremely vulnerable to almost any physical attack coming her way, especially to the common Sucker Punch to which she has an unfortunate weakness. Her low HP stat doesn't help her either. On top of that, Jynx has always been overshadowed by other Psychic-type Pokemon such as Alakazam, even with her great Special Attack stat, and this generation is no different. UU's newest additions bring about even more Psychic-type Pokemon that outclass Jynx in some way, including Mew and Azelf. Both are faster than Jynx, while Mew is bulkier, and Azelf hits much harder. Jynx is weak to Stealth Rock as well, but she has some things up her sleeve that the aforementioned Pokemon don't: Lovely Kiss, a sleep-inducing move. With Lovely Kiss, Jynx has a much easier time setting up Nasty Plot or Calm Mind while her opponent is sleeping, making her a great late-game sweeper and potent hail abuser.</p>

<p>Jynx also received a new ability this generation: Dry Skin. With Dry Skin, Jynx receives an immunity to Water-type moves, recovering HP if hit by one. This makes her a great counter to Slowbro and some variants of Suicune, easily stopping their attempts at doing much back to her with Taunt. Dry Skin also restores HP in rain, which is great for Jynx. Even the ability's debilitating effects don't matter much, since many Fire-type moves already KO Jynx, and sun is uncommon in UU.</p>

[SET]
name: Nasty Plot
move 1: Nasty Plot
move 2: Ice Beam
move 3: Psyshock / Focus Blast
move 4: Lovely Kiss / Substitute
item: Leftovers / Life Orb
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>This set is all about boosting Jynx's Special Attack with Nasty Plot. Get Jynx onto the field, either when one of your Pokemon has fainted, or come in on a resisted or weak special move. With Lovely Kiss, setting up becomes much easier. Substitute serves a similar purpose, protecting Jynx from damage and status. Ice Beam is Jynx's main STAB move, hitting hard off of Jynx's great Special Attack. Psyshock is a reliable secondary STAB move that takes care of Chansey. Focus Blast does slightly less damage to Chansy, but hits Steel-type Pokemon, which resist Jynx's STAB moves.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>Taunt is an option if you want a solid counter to Pokemon such as Suicune. If you opt to use Taunt, Psychic is a solid option over Psyshock, hitting Suicune harder. You can also use Hidden Power Ground to hit Victini hard, as it resists the listed moves, while still hitting Steel-type Pokemon hard. Shadow Ball is also an option to hit Victini and Slowbro, which also resist Jynx's other moves. Grass Knot or Energy Ball can also be used to hit Empoleon for neutral damage, which Shadow Ball can't do. Blizzard is an option if you use Jynx on a hail team. In hail, Blizzard has 100% accuracy and hits much harder than Ice Beam. Life Orb makes Jynx hit harder, but shortens her lifespan. Leftovers is the superior item, allowing Jynx to recover health while setting up when your opponent's Pokemon is asleep.</p>

<p>Since there are many Pokemon in UU with at least 100 base Speed, these Pokemon must be removed before Jynx can come in and set up. Rapid Spin support is a must, and Hitmontop is the best choice to provide this, resisting Rock- and Dark-type moves that Jynx is weak to, while Jynx resists Psychic-type moves that Hitmontop is weak to. Rain support is appreciated, as it helps Jynx recover even more HP each turn. Cresselia and Uxie are great at setting up weather. Suicune makes an excellent partner, as it resists Fire- and Steel-type moves that Jynx is weak to, and it takes physical moves with ease as well, preventing Jynx from being KOed because of her horrible Defense stat. Arcanine and Houndoom also make great partners, as they both are immune to Fire-type moves and resist Steel-type moves. Believe it or not, Reflect can actually help Jynx survive some neutral physical attacks. Uxie makes a good partner, as it can set up Stealth Rock, which can help score some extra KOs, as well as dual screens. It would also be a great idea to remove any Pursuit users before bringing Jynx out, since the move usually spells doom for her.</p>

[SET]
name: Calm Mind
move 1: Calm Mind
move 2: Ice Beam / Psyshock
move 3: Taunt / Substitute
Move 4: Lovely Kiss
item: Leftovers
ability: Dry Skin
nature: Timid
evs: 200 HP / 56 SpA / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Unlike the Nasty Plot set, Jynx now takes on a more defensive role with Calm Mind. After one boost, weaker special moves from Pokemon such as Milotic won't break through one Substitute, and after several boosts, Jynx can survive even the most powerful special moves that aren't of the Fire-type. Lovely Kiss puts slower Pokemon and switch-ins to sleep, granting Jynx an easier time setting up. As an attacking option, Ice Beam is the preferred choice, as no Pokemon is immune to it, but Psyshock hits Chansey much harder than Ice Beam and takes care of the many Fighting-type Pokemon in the tier. However, Chansey isn't Jynx's biggest problem, as Ice Beam 3HKOes her at +6. With Taunt, this set also make a great counter to most specially oriented Water-type Pokemon in the tier, such as Suicune, Slowbro, and Milotic, as they can't do much back at Jynx without their status moves.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>The listed EVs give Jynx some bulk, and allow her to Speed tie with Arcanine and other base 95 Speed Pokemon in the tier. Jynx has several other attacking options. Focus Blast hits Dark- and Steel-type Pokemon hard. Hidden Power Ground hits Steel-type Pokemon as well, and takes care of Victini, which resists Jynx's STAB moves. Shadow Ball also hits Victini and takes care of Slowbro, which also resists Jynx's STAB moves. Grass Knot and Energy Ball are also options to hit Slowbro, and they hit Empoleon for neutral damage. However, these moves will usually not find a slot on Jynx's moveset, as it needs at least Calm Mind and Lovely Kiss. Rain support from the likes of Uxie is appreciated, as rain helps Jynx recover even more HP each turn. Rapid Spin support is a must, as Jynx is weak to Stealth Rock. Hitmontop makes an excellent partner, resisting Dark- and Rock-type moves that Jynx is weak to. Suicune is also a great partner, as it resists Fire- and Steel-type moves that Jynx is weak to, and takes physical attacks directed at Jynx with ease. Arcanine and Houndoom are great partners as well, as they are immune to dangerous Fire-type moves, and resist Steel-type moves.</p>

[Other Options]

<p>Jynx has a wide movepool but can't really use all she has access to. Signal Beam can be used to hit Dark-type Pokemon for super effective damage. Jynx also has the combination of Mean Look and Perish Song, but she doesn't have the defenses to pull it off. Jynx also has access to Trick Room and Rain Dance, as well as other support moves such as Wish, Heal Bell, Toxic, Sweet Kiss, Reflect, and Light Screen, but other Pokemon pull those off more effectively. If you want to gamble a little for more power, Blizzard can be used outside hail, but it's not recommended. Jynx also has a wide physical movepool, but her Attack stat is very bad and she can only boost it with Meditate.</p>

[Checks and Counters]

<p>Every physical Pokemon that can outspeed Jynx can counter her, as her terrible Defense stat makes her vulnerable to almost any physical move. Mew with a positive Speed nature always outspeeds Jynx, and can hit hard with Shadow Ball or Shadow Claw. Houndoom with Sucker Punch will easily KO Jynx, and can also use its Fire-type moves to finish her off. Jynx is no match for Weavile either, as she is extremely weak to Pursuit. Cobalion resists Ice Beam and can KO Jynx with its STAB Fighting- or Steel-type moves.</p>
 
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This is not ready for QC just yet. There are things that needs to be added. Will add it later.
 
Sorry for doubleposting, this ready for suggestions. Dry Skin related issues only, as all the rest is covered.

The old analysis is in hide tag, with some changes accordingly, so check that as well.

It's also pretty much ready for QC as well.

EDIT: It should be noted that only the new stuff is listed (for set and additional comments). Everything else is in the hide tag.
 
I don't think Lovely Kiss should be slashed in with Substitute, I think it would be better to move it up next to Focus Blast and move Psyshock down with sub. I know that's not really a dry skin related issue but I just wanted to point it out.
 
Ok... I really don't see any use at all for Dry Skin. Maybe in OU, but in UU? Nah, like no reason at all. Ok, it can switch in on Water attacks... and do what? I'm going to need some good explanations to not reject this thing.
 
The point is that most bulky water's in UU use Surf and Ice beam as their only attack options, and with Taunt thats something that their forced to do, so basically Jynx uses Dry Skin to make Water types setup bait, its basically goes like this

Battler 1 sends out Houndoom
Battler 2 sends out Milotic!

Battler 2 switches Houndoom out
Battler 2 calls in Jynx!

Milotic uses Surf!

Jynx is healed from SR Damage!

Jynx uses Taunt!

Milotic uses Toxic, won't work because of taunt!

Jynx uses Nasty Plot

Milotic uses Ice Beam

It doesn't do SHIT!

Jynx keeps using Nasty Plot!

Plus, Jynx's other 2 abilities are crap, we can atleast just add in the abilities
 
yeah, paradoxus is right; nobody uses sun anyway, so dry skin is obviously going to benefit jynx. Oblivious is 100% useless and forewarn is... yeah still pretty useless. Only place I could even see forewarn being a possibility is any sort of CM or bulky set (I assume that, after a few CMs, jynx can actually take a fire move or two), but dry skin's fire move boost is not all that great in the first place.

I'd like somebody to test a rain team with jynx on it. should be an interesting pokemon to use, especially since it counters hail (well, bar hitmontop) and sand teams (well, I use counter loosely; it has to rely very heavily on focus blast and is OHKOed by stoutland).
 
Jynx needs this update. She takes hits worse than Alakazam and doesn't even have a Mach Punch resistance and SR neutrality (now immunity for Zam lol) to show for it. Having new setup opportunities where there previously were none and absolutely walling some of the most prominent defensive forces in the tier can't just go without mention.
 
I don't think Lovely Kiss should be slashed in with Substitute, I think it would be better to move it up next to Focus Blast and move Psyshock down with sub. I know that's not really a dry skin related issue but I just wanted to point it out.
There's just one slight problem. This was QC approved back when I did the first one. But if QC wants it done, I'll do it.

@Paradoxus, breludicolo, SJCrew

That's exactly my thinking. She can set up on most Bulky Waters, receives an immunity and her other abilities are just useless.

Chou, Dry Skin doesn't make Jynx worse in any way, she only becomes better.

This was even mentioned in the DW section before:
[Dream World]

<p>Jynx gets Dry Skin as her Dream World ability. Dry Skin is a great ability, and grants Jynx an immunity to Water-type moves, and recovering HP if hit by one. It also has the effect of restoring HP in rain, which is great for Jynx. Even Dry Skin's debilitating effects don't matter much, since many Fire-type moves already KO Jynx, and sun is uncommon in UU. This ability should be used on all sets when it's released, as this will enable Jynx to completly wall mono-attackers such as Roar Suicune, but Taunt is necessary in that case.</p>
 
Well if that's what you're aiming for, I'm going to say that Taunt becomes a must, because just about EVERY bulky water type is carrying phazing/hazing. You still get your ass kicked by the common Dragon Tail Milotic and Blastoise but I guess is the best you can do.

edit: nvm, I didn't realize (forgot) we already had a Jynx analyses (I could have sworn the thing was rejected for sucking, ah well).

Dry Skin is definitely better than her older abilities.
 
I think Substitute is a better option... Suicune is the only one with Roar anyway. I really think Flare Blitz has the best Jynx set though, with 1 Attack and Substitute.
 
Do Blastoise / Milotic always use Dragon Tail for phazing?

I'm pretty sure Haze Milotic has died down since Espeon got banned, but there are some players who still prefer haze.
 
If Jynx is mono-attacking with Ice Beam, Milotic with Dragon Tail will be hard to get past, yea. She can break Jynx's Subs easily with Dragon Tail and phaze her out, as she resists Ice Beam and has a ton of Special Defense. RestTalk ones are especially annoying, since they don't care that much for Lovely Kiss, either. Just thought you should mention that in counters.
 
Ok, I need some opinions here.

I was thinking about moving CM up as the primary set, as it is easier to set up. If not, how do you think the NP set should look like?

Sorry for doubleposting.
 
I was thinking of just updating the onsite Jynx analysis with dry skin, since its her best ability in almost every case. A few edits here or there would suffice instead of revamping the entire thing.

just my 2 cents.
 
i like how the OP implies that jynx could survive a fire attack without dry skin

For reference, after a Calm Mind the second set would be able to survive scarf rotom's Overheat without Dry Skin. Dry Skin is a clearly superior ability, but it does need mentioning that unboosted fire attacks will be able to kill where they wouldn't be able to before.
 
If Jynx is mono-attacking with Ice Beam, Milotic with Dragon Tail will be hard to get past, yea. She can break Jynx's Subs easily with Dragon Tail and phaze her out, as she resists Ice Beam and has a ton of Special Defense. RestTalk ones are especially annoying, since they don't care that much for Lovely Kiss, either. Just thought you should mention that in counters.

Restalk sets are practically never used. Ever. Recover is superior versus every other Pokemon and Restalk is done better by Suicune.
 
For reference, after a Calm Mind the second set would be able to survive scarf rotom's Overheat without Dry Skin. Dry Skin is a clearly superior ability, but it does need mentioning that unboosted fire attacks will be able to kill where they wouldn't be able to before.
Yeah, that was mentioned in the old analysis, and I will make those changes later, when this gets past QC.
 
Ok this is just sitting around. There's a decent amount of new content so i guess this is good to go.

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