Wolves of the Sea (Anti-Drizzle Drought Team)

Hurricane Core:
This is all about smashing Rain teams with Specs Hurricane. Lanturn not only laughs at Rain Pokemon, but it lures in Grass-types so I can Volt Switch to Ninetales. Why would I want Ninetales out if I want to spam Hurricane? Bait. I want to force out the Ferrothorn or w/e that switched into Lanturn to bait Politoed to come in and summon rain as I double switch to Tornadus. From there...you can figure out the rest.
Drought Abuse Core:
Of course if there's no other weather to contend with, I can abuse my sunlight to my heart's content, which is just as nice as a Tornadus sweep. Scarf Heatran is extremely dangerous in Sun, especially if it nabs a Flash Fire boost and can nuke something with Overheat. Tangrowth covers Heatran very well since Focus Blast is the only Fighting-type move that does mortal damage and just lol Ground-types. Ninetales, aside from the Sun, keeps trouble like Volcarona from messing with the team even though Tangrowth can Sub and Sleep and Heatran is Heatran but every advantage helps.
FWG "Defensive" Core:
The main core. These are the Pokemon that will be soaking up the most damage and constantly pivoting between each other. Technically Ninetales is part of this as well but Heatran it generally more useful as a core element. Having the option to use either is very welcomed of course.
Offensive Core:
Sometimes I just feel like tearing something apart that's not Rain and that's where this core comes in. Tornadus, Heatran, and Terrakion have surprisingly good synergy together especially with Heatran being Scarfed. Water-type attacks are the only SE attacks that aren't resisted but Sun can change that and Lanturn is always happy lend a hand if need be and won't even slow the core down due to Volt Switch letting one of them come right back in. If I need to apply constant pressure, I can gamble and use and switch between these three.
Blissey/Chansey - As I said before, these two are just the bane of this team as Terrakion is the only thing I have to deal with them. I wouldn't be opposed to replacing Heatran to get a physical attacker to rid myself of this problem.

Deoxys-D - I just hate this thing. I usually just lead with Terra and SD up then try to Stone Edge it to oblivion.

Dugtrio - Well I have 4 Pokemon, should Terra's Balloon pop, that are weak to Ground. Dugtrio is definitely worth a thought even if Heatran out-paces it.

Haxorus - Eh. Not the worst thing to deal with as long as Terra's Balloon is intact to force it to Outrage then check it with Heatran. Even though there's nothing on the team it can switch-in on safely, it's more of an issue than I'm really comfortable with.

Heatran @ Balloon - Heatran's not a horribly big issue but Balloon variants can get annoying with Ninetales only being able to Roar and my own Heatran being Choice-locked.

Hydreigon - Scarf versions are the only problematic ones as Terrakion murders it. But they really are a pain.

Kyurem - SubRoost is a pain. Choice Scarf isn't bad but SubRoost is just annoying and it hits my entire team Super Effectively.

Latias - SubCM or CMRefresh are the main ones that worry me. Ninetales can Roar those variants away and Lanturn can Toxic anything else. Even Tangrowth can put them to Sleep and SubSeed away but I don't have anything solid to take it out without Rain.

Latios - Heatran, Ninetales, & Lanturn can take a few hits but just as with Latias, I have nothing solid to take it down.

Reuniclus - Being a very fast team, nothing likes Trick Room too much and Calm Mind can be a huge pain if Ninetales is down or Heatran's not at full health for Eruption.

Salamence - Same as Haxorus really.

Stoutland - The first time I ran into Stoutland I thought "Oh that's adorable." Then it swept my entire team with smart predictions. Definitely not to be taken lightly.

Tentacruel - Not only are my SE moves all Specially-based but Tangrowth loses his ability to stall with Toxic Spikes up. Just a bad Pokemon for this team to run into to in general.

Venusaur - It really depends on the set and specifically if they run Earthquake but Venusaur can be quite the hand full.



Please, please, please leave suggestions and constructive criticism. If you see something about this team that could be better, I'd love to know about it.

:0 This is a very cool team, I love how you use Lanturn, he seems like a great answer to the two powerful genies. I have to try him out sometime!

Anyway if I could make a suggestion, I would replace Eruption on Heatran for Overheat. Because you lack a spinner on your team, Heatran will take damage from both Stealth Rock and Spikes, causing his Eruption to get weaker and weaker throughout the match.

Overheat does pretty much the same damage as Eruption after Stealth Rock, but if you don't like the Sp. Atk drop you can go for Fire Blast I guess. I recommend Overheat though.

Another thing I just learned from user Expert Physics is that the only way to get Eruption on Heatran is by transferring it to your BW from Pokemon Rangers: Guardian Signs. Heatran will always have a Quiet Nature, so technically your Heatran is illegal :p. The only way to fix it would be to make him Quiet Nature, which of course is stupid with Choice Scarf. So another reason to switch to Overheat! :)

I dont get why you don't replace Lanturn with Rotom Wash? Same type, Levitate, better defenses, it only loses Heal bell which you don't need.

XxpokemonmasterXx said:

I dont get why you don't replace Lanturn with Rotom Wash? Same type, Levitate, better defenses, it only loses Heal bell which you don't need.

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Because Rotom-W Can't stop Thundurus and many other rain threats with its miniscule HP unlike Lanturn.

This team looks really well made and I have one actually pretty similar, with Kingdra over Lanturn, Infernape over Tran, and Zapdos over Tornadus. Ok, so not that similar...

Alright so my first suggestion I would like to recommend running Pain Split over Substitute on Ninetales. I see how Substitute is welcomed as it lets you get a free burn off on Ttar and friends, but it chips away at your health along with stealth Rock leaving you quite weak after every switch in. Pain split would help you regain good ammounts of health and give Ninetales a recovery move and better hopes of trying to win the weather war.

On Lanturn you could test out Thunder Wave over Toxic to try to paralyze and slow down opposing mons which would help with Terrakion setting up and Terrakion's SubSeed Shenanigans.

Now the last thing I see was how you said that Blissey and Chansey were problems. I would really recommend testing out Scarf Infernape over your current ScarfTran. If Terrakion goes down by something like Dugtrio, then as you said it's pretty much GG if your opponent has a Blissey or a Chansey. Infernape still hits like a Nuke in the sun and outspeeds far more things than Heatran such as +1 Mence and the likes. Ideally you could also run a Mixed Attacker set with Flare Blitz AND Overheat, which I believe I got from your RMT "Prelude of Light" Infernape would do Heatran's Job of trying to break massive holes in the opposition's team.

Not much else to say, when I said I made a team similar to this, I ran a Specially Defensive ChestoResto Rotom-W for some time which was pretty good if you want to try it out I will leave the set.

So--

Substitute ---> Pain Split on Ninetales
Toxic --- ( Test it Out) --> Thunder Wave on Lanturn

And then here are the Infernape sets



On the Last Set, The Life Orb one, I usually run Stone Edge over HP Ice with a Jolly Nature which iirc actually hits Dragonite harder. Up to you though

Hope my Suggestions helped!

Cool team and good luck

One Last thing which is kind of crucial, Heatran with Eruption has to have a Quiet Nature When I gave your team a test run the builder kept telling me to change it to Quiet. So I'd really look into the whole ScarfNape Idea seeing as Heatran won't be outspeeding much with a Quiet Nature even with Scarf

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Timid is illegal with Eruption, as Eruption is an event-only move released on a Quiet Heatran. As Quiet is shocking on a Scarftran, I would replace it with Overheat or Fire Blast. Explosion could also be used with a Naive or Hasty nature as a bit of a throwback to DPPt to let it dent something if it's on low health.

Terrakion can use Stealth Rock, but it is pretty fragile and that slot is better filled by Rock Polish, letting it beat common Scarfers such as Gyarados and the now-common Therian formes. If you so desire, you could potentially move Stealth Rock onto Heatran, but as you know, being locked into Rocks isn't really a good thing.

I'm surprised none of the sims prevented Heatran from having Eruption. I'll make sure to change it when I get the chance. I'll also try out those changes you all suggested. I'm not too keen on not having a Steel-type around but Scarf Infernape does seem promising. Thanks for the help so far.

Hello I think you should change Hurricane to Heat Wave because it gets a sun boost and takes stuff out and whatnot also if your opponent doesnt have a rain team its a wasted move lol

also i think you should put stealth rock on heatran and take it off of terrakion because i doubt overall stealth rock damage will do as much as like a close combat to the face of another pokemon and if you can force a switch which is the only reason youd stealth rock you might as well swords dance and sweep. then you can change heatran to flame charge and still be fast and stuff but thats just me stealth rock seems silly on terrakion

Katakiri - crazy team as always; you're the master of gimmicks!

I think your issues stem from the lack of firepower. SubSeed Tangrowth is such a waste of a Chlorophyll slot imho. A lot of your problems can be solved by utilizing Sawsbuck instead. It provides you additional physical power and an amazing revenge-killer of dragons, Volcarona, and Venusaur. It's not walled by Heatran to boot. You lose out on Tangrowth's defense, but the offensive pressure from Sawsbuck would keep the opponent on the defensive. Certainly appreciates Lanturn's slow Volt Switch as much as Tornadus-T.



Scarf Heatran probably lost its lackluster with the loss of Eruption - it certainly is no Scarf Darmanitan, whose Flare Blitz dgaf about anything and has access to U-turn. You have more than enough Speed in Tornadus-T and Sawsbuck, so Scarf is rather unnecessary, too. If you still want to keep Scarf Heatran, though, you may want to try Magma Storm instead of Fire Blast. The extra 6% residual goes a long way in crippling Blissey and especially Chansey. If you manage to set up Rocks with Terrakion, Heatran has a chance to even 2HKO 4 HP / 252+ SpD Blissey in the low 70s. If you go with Modest, Heatran is even less afraid of the pink blobs. Going Modest would be awesome for this reason; you would still be faster than Dugtrio, but now slower than +1 DNite. You do have Sawsbuck for revenge-killing purposes, though, so Heatran may afford to drop its Speed. Modest ScarfTran can still tank a +1 Outrage, and HP Ice OHKOs Dragonite w/o Multiscale, too.

If you want a sweeper Heatran you're probably better off using a Flame Charge + 3 Atk Heatran @ LO / Charcoal or Sub + 3 Atks, though. Being choice-locked to a Fire, Ground, or HP is not ideal imo, since you can easily forfeit momentum if ScarfTran isn't sweeping with its Sun-blessed Fire offense..

Finally I suggest giving a NP Ninetales a shot. It transforms Ninetales into a weak-ass non-threatening Sun summoner to a team player who significantly contributes in the team's offense. Blissey / Chansey wont be able to heal up on Ninetales now. +2 HP Fighting would be great for not only popping Heatran's Air Balloon, but to actually kill it. This Ninetales can dispatch TTar much more quickly, too. I don't think you would be disappointed.


I hope these suggestions would only improve your team. Innovative team, Katakiri - thanks for sharing.

hey nice team overall. Everyone pretty much suggested what I wanted to say especially the Heat Wave part on Tornadus-T. Anyway, here's my last suggestion that could work and nobody has ever considered it. Rock Polish over Swords Dance on Terrakion.
Since this team's purpose is to counter the two rain Therians, Rock Polish would aid you in outspeeding the said threats. Most Thundurus-T run Scarf so you won't have to worry about it after getting Rock Polish. Tornadus-T is naturally fast but a +2 Terrakion is faster. Also, some Thundurus-T run Agility which could potentially screw your team. Again, +2 Terrakion is faster. This would also help your team against Sand Rush users and Chlorophyll users since most of them are naturally slower than Terrakion. Yea sure the loss of power from Swords Dance may seem unappealing and you'll be walled hard by Skarm and Gliscor but then you already have too much Special attackers to deal with them. You won't miss too much of SD too since even Chansey is 2HKOed by an unboosted Close Combat.


Calcs for the said Threats:

Well after being bedridden for a couple days, I finally got to testing out all your suggestions.

@ Rock Polish - My team never had any issues with the Genies. Tangrowth walled Landorus and Lanturn laughs at the Rain Bros and even Heatran can best Tornadus-T.

@ Heat Wave - If I got rid of Hurricane, that would entirely defeat the purpose of Tornadus. Heat Wave is imo an option that I always found to be situational at best. I added U-Turn OVER Heat Wave as Heat Wave was my original choice. It's not a move that Tornadus ever wants to be locked into and is really only good on Life Orb sets regardless of Sunlight.

As for the changes I made: I knew all about Overheat Heatran already as that was what I originally ran before I remembered it got Eruption and I hated the S.Atk drops. It just invited far too much in to take advantage of a Pokemon that is kind of easy to take advantage of anyway. I started running Magma Storm and it would normally be a great option but I seemed to have the absolute worst luck. I must have hit maybe 1 out of every 4 Magma Storms. I just got tired of it and switched to Fire Blast.

Pocket's advice is always solid so I made sure to try out Sawsbuck and NP Ninetales.
I gave Will-O-Wisp a shot but I quickly changed to Roar as protection against Sub Calm Minders which otherwise can take down at least one Pokemon. But overall, I liked the change and it certainly works as advertised.
Sawsbuck works fantastically as well. The only down side if that I now have to play extremely aggressively to keep Fighting-types out and if I lose Tornadus with Breloom around, I might as well forfeit. But far and away my worst issue is Rock Polish Terrakion; Lanturn can only Toxic it for any real damage and the rest of my team is easily OHKOed.

While this doesn't solve the above problems, I replaced Heatran for Mixed Scarf Infernape and just wow, this thing is pretty damn amazing with Sawsbuck, Terrakion, and Tornadus. I've never been fond of the hyper offense style but this clicks with me.
Again, the only issue is that I almost certainly will need to replace Terrakion for something that can take those Fighting-type moves like Gliscor or Landorus (Gravity sounds really tempting for Tornadus abuse...nah not worth it) but otherwise, I'm actually happy with these changes.

Thanks a ton, guys! I'll amend the OP once I figure out what to do with Terrakion's slot.

Hey Katakiri,
I really like that you're using Tornadus-t in the sun, very original. The problem with using either Gliscor or Landorus in this team for taking Fighting type hits is that you're destroyed by Mamoswine, there's literally nothing that can switch in on it if your opponent predicts correctly. But you do need something that can tank fighting moves, get up rocks while still maintain a somewhat offensive presence.

I suggest Forretress (Set down below) over Terrakion, one of the great things about Forretress is that even if he cant beat the opposing Fighting type 1v1 he can come in, take a hit then Volt Switch to your check for that particular fighting type. Forretress is probably exactly what this team needs, it gives you a much needed physically defensive presence in the team that not only gives you something to get rid of fighting types but Forretress is another member for your volt-switch chain, a steel type that's a defensive answer to dragons, a reliable switch-in to Mamoswine, a Rapid Spinner and something to set up Stealth Rocks. Forretress also has pretty good defensive synergy with Lanturn making a strong defensive core with double Volt Switch.



Considering nothing on your team is weak to Stealth Rocks except for Tornadus-t (Regenerator) and Ninetales (the only thing that really needs sun is Sawsbuck which has Sunny Day anyway), your team is fast paced and you're somewhat weak to Gliscor; you could run Hidden Power [Ice] over Rapid Spin with an EV spread of: 252 HP / 220 Def / 36 SAtk to 2HKO Salamence, Landorus and Gliscor after Stealth Rocks, this also forms a pseudo Bolt-Beam combo, giving you pretty good coverage.


Anyway I hope I helped and GL with the innovative team! Luvdisc'd

Happy to hear that you used my suggestion of ScarfApe :D

On the note that you want to use something to take on fighting types, I have been using a pretty successfull sun team right now, with a Ninetales / Slowking / Landorus-T core- King to take stray Draco Meteors and Water and Fire attacks. Land-T to wall Terrakion and Ninetales for added Sp Def. I would really recommend Defensive Landorus-T over Terrakion as it provides Rocks like you wanted and additional check to stuff like Dragonite with Intimidate, U-turn lets you make a volt turn combo with Lanturn and Nape

I usually like running the defensive version for my team

Landorus (Landorus-T) (M) @ LeftoversTrait: Intimidate
EVs: 196 HP / 96 Atk / 216 Def
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- U-turn
- Stealth Rock


The Evs are so Landorus-T can live a plus 2 Rock gem Stone Edge from Terrakion after rocks and Intimidate.

GL!

The quickest fix is give Terrakion Focus Sash, which is a surprisingly effective item on Terrakion. Focus Sash guarantees its survival against the face of revenge-killing, surprising Scizor and Breloom by surviving their powerful priority and retaliate with a +2 Close Combat. Of course this strategy is dependent on keeping hazards off, so if you usually can't prevent the hazards from going up, then Sash Terrakion obviously wont work.

Otherwise mons like Landorus-T and perhaps an offensive LO Lati@s can take over Terrakion's spot to more reliably check Fighting-types.