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Aug 9th, 2012, 1:00:01 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Pure Hackmons Threatlist
No threat list for hackmons yet exists so I thought I should make one. The following pokemon and abilities are the most commonly seen threats in pure hackmons. While there may be others, these make up the bulk of those used and the majority of effective combinations to date.
Please leave as many suggestions as you can and help me keep this updated as new threats will undoubtedly emerge as more people being to play this fantastically fun tier. Offensive Threats  Deoxys-S:
 Deoxys-A:
 Arceus:
 Mewtwo:
 Latios:
 Blissey:
 Kyurem-W:
 Kyurem-B:
 Ho-OH:
 Slaking:
 Regigigas:
 Archeops:
 Palkia:
 Dialga:
 Genesect:
 Groudon:
 Shedinja:
 Swinub:
Defensive Threats: Deoxys-S:
 Giratina:
 Sableye:
 Spiritomb:
 Drapion:
 Electrode:
 Jolteon:
 Raikou:
Arceus:
Groudon:
 Registeel:
 Deoxys-D:
 Froslass:
 Gengar:
 Lugia:
Blissey:
 Chansey:
 Shuckle:
 Heatran:
Last edited by ForeverPerfectXI; Dec 13th, 2012 at 6:15:43 AM. |
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Aug 12th, 2012, 2:34:17 AM
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Swampert is another Wonderguard pokemon with only one weakness. The grass weakness is very rarely encountered which gives it a bit of an edge over Palkia and Genesect (Dragon and Fire attacks are fairly common). I've been playing it offensively, since it's not really fast enough to wall with taunt/gastro acid (still can make use of them though). I've also seen it used by players ranked higher than me (pretty sure it was you actually).
Drapion should probably have an Air Balloon mention, and maybe Dialga as well. Blissey/Chansey also see some use as special walls with Magic Bounce/Prankster. Also happy to see my Froslass is considered a threat (although I've yet to encounter anyone else trying it). Gengar could basically fill the same role though (ghost type, same speed) and absorb Toxic Spikes. Being slightly more fragile than Froslass doesn't matter much. |
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Aug 12th, 2012, 11:56:50 AM
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You could probably just go Prankster/Wonder Guard anything is a threat.
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Aug 12th, 2012, 12:17:18 PM
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Aug 13th, 2012, 9:31:42 PM
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Ya I've tried Swampert. the reason I didn't include it was because i never could make it fit well onto a team. So until such a time as I see it or hear of it being used successfully I decided to leave it off. By all means if you're havign a great deal of success with it let me know. I think the biggest problem is that he is too slow and not quite as strong as some of the others and so he gets roared or hit with Gastro Acid before he can do any real damage. Stab Earthquake is really nice though.
And most Drapion don't run air balloon because the whole point of including him is to pick up T-Spikes. But I'll add a mention. And your Frosslass does appear to be only run by you but its speed is frightening. You're right about Gengar though. I'll add it. |
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Aug 13th, 2012, 10:16:01 PM
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I'll let you know how my swampert testing goes. He certainly needs to be played more carefully than his competition. Baton Pass support patches up his problems nicely by giving him more moveslots, but is still kinda risky.
Also, Lugia is a notable bulky magic bouncer. |
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Aug 17th, 2012, 8:08:40 PM
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Magic Bounce + Cosmic Power Shuckle Added
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Aug 17th, 2012, 8:41:10 PM
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Can someone add magic bounce Heatran to this list? I've been using it and made it pretty high on the hackmons ladder in like 3 hours sweeping mostly with it. The ladder is pretty small, but still, it has proven effective even in times where I thought I would lose. The set I use is below. I won't take any credit for it. Someone else made it up, but I'd have to say it's on par with imposter blissey in the amount of sweeps I've had with it.
Heatran @ Leftovers Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SAtk / 252 SDef / 252 Spd Bold Nature - Lava Plume - Substitute - Quiver Dance - Leech Seed |
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Aug 17th, 2012, 10:13:15 PM
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Why not use Dialga instead? You'd have one less weakness and you'd be faster.
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Aug 18th, 2012, 1:19:48 AM
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The Dragon resistance is so useful and STAB Lava Plume>Dragon pulse IMO. You get the burn chance to buff up your weaker defense stat and help with stalling. Besides, the ground weakness wasn't really noticeable, but maybe that's because the rest of my team can handle EQs and Hydro Pumps while at the same time taking advantage of the situation to gain momentum lost from switching out. I partnered it up with shadow tag Giratina to spore the threat or set up cosmic power on it and Sturdy Shedinja with hazards support. A lot of my Pokemon know Magic Coat, too so hazards weren't much of an issue for Shedinja.
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Aug 18th, 2012, 3:10:32 PM
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It doesn't sound like you were playing very good players :/
I mean Magic Bounce should almost never stop hazard setters in Hackmons because they should be running mold breaker. You make an interesting argument for Lava Plume though. I'm going to try this out. |
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Aug 18th, 2012, 4:16:49 PM
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Alright I don't know about Leech Seed, but the Dragon Resistance and Lava Plume are very nice indeed. As well as the immunity to toxic spikes.
Added Magic Bounce Heatran |
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