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"Stop Airdodging" is a good one =[ That's my biggest issue with playing Melee right now. Air dodging in Melee just works so differently. In Brawl you aren't punished at all for airdodging really. In Melee, you're pretty much screwed if you do it in the air.
Definitely the airdodging, only do it if you're going to get edge-guarded and you're close to landing on the platform. Other than that, definitely practice shffl'ing your aerials and practice your approaching and spacing. And try not to roll, rolling is bad, you have better faster options for moving (i.e. wavedashing), Brawl really didn't punish you bad for rolling cause it was one of the only forms of movement.
I think I have pretty much the basics down, such as Marth's SHDF, but I might make some errors like airdodging off the stage while trying to waveland back. Also, when using Falco, I found out my SHBs are slower too for some reason. I'm trying Shiek out because she's noob friendly but I want to get back into Marth and Falco also. I usually can't seem to get long enough combos; just three-five hits. I'm also too used to the auto ledge snap in Brawl, I usually try to gimp using Marth's fair to no avail :/
I also wished I had someone to practice with, my friends live far away while my brother refuses to play Melee :/
I also wished I had someone to practice with, my friends live far away while my brother refuses to play Melee :/
haha yeah, i used to be alright with game and watch on melee but now i end up getting punished by some stupid thing like airdodging in the wrong direction and getting smashed, randomly dsmashing thinking i had the awesome horizontal knockback, and missing the edge sweetspot
i'm crap now =(
Ugh, too true!
Same...I'm having a lot of trouble playing Falco now. But at this point I'd much rather play Melee than Brawl, so I'm trying to get back into it.
Any advice on pulling off a waveshine, or wavedash into wavedash, or anything like that really? I can wavedash without much difficulty, but I have trouble putting stuff before it. Like I can't seem to do shine -> jump -> move stick into right position for the airdodge fast enough.
Any advice on pulling off a waveshine, or wavedash into wavedash, or anything like that really? I can wavedash without much difficulty, but I have trouble putting stuff before it. Like I can't seem to do shine -> jump -> move stick into right position for the airdodge fast enough.
Don't use the analog stick to jump?
At that point it becomes problematic to get the thumb from B to Y fast enough. Do people use some other sort of controller grip aside from the standard that I don't know about and lets you put a finger on a jump button and another for attacks? Or are my fingers just abnormally slow?
My "group" went back to playing a bit of Melee after our little 4 month Brawl stint. After using Marth for those 4 months in Brawl, I go back to my Melee Marth only to realize that I don't like it anymore. I shifted over to Roy, who fits me better in Melee. Thing is, I have no explanation for this. Anyone else have something similar?
And befire anyone says anything, yes, I know Roy is worse.
And befire anyone says anything, yes, I know Roy is worse.
I didn't even realize this thread existed.
A lot of things people have said in this thread, such as airdodging all over the place, trying to grab the edge when you're facing away from it, and just all kinds of other random bad habits from brawl also plagued me when I first went back to melee. My first response when I put the disc in was "woah this is fast." It took three days of practicing two to three hours each day for me to even get back into a state that somewhat resembled my former self. And then several smashfests later before I could sorta actually play again. I think it took me somewhere around a month before I started to actually improve in melee again, from the point where I had left my game at. Since then I've been playing melee much more than brawl, although I have been playing both games.
Just work on moving your thumb between B and Y. Remember, that since you're in the middle of a shine when you're doing this, that pressing that A button by accident won't matter. Just slide your thumb across.
A lot of things people have said in this thread, such as airdodging all over the place, trying to grab the edge when you're facing away from it, and just all kinds of other random bad habits from brawl also plagued me when I first went back to melee. My first response when I put the disc in was "woah this is fast." It took three days of practicing two to three hours each day for me to even get back into a state that somewhat resembled my former self. And then several smashfests later before I could sorta actually play again. I think it took me somewhere around a month before I started to actually improve in melee again, from the point where I had left my game at. Since then I've been playing melee much more than brawl, although I have been playing both games.
Losing a couple frames because you were a little slow in moving from B to Y is better than not getting it at all and getting punished for it. You can try clawing and see if that helps you do it faster, but besides that, the only thing I can really tell you is "practice." Definitely don't jump with the control stick when wavedashing. You'll never be able to waveshine quickly if you do that, because instead of it being a simple matter of moving from down to mostly horizontal, you have to go from down to up to mostly horizontal but slightly down.
Just work on moving your thumb between B and Y. Remember, that since you're in the middle of a shine when you're doing this, that pressing that A button by accident won't matter. Just slide your thumb across.
leafgreen, have I seen you on Smashboards? Fox avatar solidifies my beliefs.
Whenever I go back to Melee I get the airdodge problem quite a bit. Mostly it's just crap reflexes and lack of knowledge on combos. I lose Waveshine, wavedashes are less smooth, but SHFFL is still a piece of cake. I also forget JC grab and stop applying Crouch Cancelling. However, I barely deteriorate with Mario, funny how that is.
I need more competition, I don't get to play much. Much easier to find a match in SSB64, but this isn't the place to discuss that.
Whenever I go back to Melee I get the airdodge problem quite a bit. Mostly it's just crap reflexes and lack of knowledge on combos. I lose Waveshine, wavedashes are less smooth, but SHFFL is still a piece of cake. I also forget JC grab and stop applying Crouch Cancelling. However, I barely deteriorate with Mario, funny how that is.
I need more competition, I don't get to play much. Much easier to find a match in SSB64, but this isn't the place to discuss that.
Probably. I haven't posted there in a while, though (like, since the beginning of the summer).
If you had to choose between Falco and Fox to play as, who would it be?
I like Falco more because he has a slightly bigger range and the direction his knockback sends opponents. He also is great at defeating shielders.
My friend however can't stand how slow he moves horizontally in the air... or on ground for that matter. He enjoys combos out of waveshining too. I guess he enjoys the sense of being everywhere at once.
I like Falco more because he has a slightly bigger range and the direction his knockback sends opponents. He also is great at defeating shielders.
My friend however can't stand how slow he moves horizontally in the air... or on ground for that matter. He enjoys combos out of waveshining too. I guess he enjoys the sense of being everywhere at once.
I started trying a claw style grip the other day while I was playing Brawl. Difficult to get used to, but the advantages to it while playing Fox/Falco (in Melee) are totally obvious from the start.
I think I'm doing it a bit wrong, though. I'm having problems short hopping (with Y) and using the A button at the same time; my fingers might be too cramped around there (no problems with B). I've also found jump-cancelled grabs to be difficult (again, somewhat cramped fingers). I think it might be a bit easier if I take my thumb off the C-stick, but that's sorta important. Any advice here?
I think I'm doing it a bit wrong, though. I'm having problems short hopping (with Y) and using the A button at the same time; my fingers might be too cramped around there (no problems with B). I've also found jump-cancelled grabs to be difficult (again, somewhat cramped fingers). I think it might be a bit easier if I take my thumb off the C-stick, but that's sorta important. Any advice here?
As a competent falco mainer, I can help here:
For all the technical stuff, Surgo, I use the regular set-up. I do NOT use the C-stick for aerials, even though it is good if you can get used to it. I don't always have my finger on the c-stick, but i have fast fingers from things like typing (130 wpm) and playing piano for 7 years. I don't really know how to help you when you're talking about not being fast enough and having cramped space, because I don't have those problems. I can give you some tips though:
• For waveshining backwards, jump before you move the analog stick diagonally.
• I use Y to jump. I think it's probably the best option a falco player has, if you can get used to it. I've always used Y to jump so when I first started playing Falco, it was great. Y is good because it is a shorter and easier slide from Y to B than from X to B. This makes stuff like multishining, waveshining, and pillaring easier.
• I don't know how well you guys are caught up with the current Melee "scene" but "DaShizWiz" is unarguably the most technical Falco. He is also (arguably) the best one out there right now. Mew2King and Shiz recently had a set (best 3 out of 5) and after watching them I can say that's probably the pinnacle of Melee thus far. Great stuff. If you somehow can't find them try looking up HansBantash on youtube and they're in my favorites.
• If you have any more questions (i'm not claiming to be an expert or anything, just a pretty good Falco mainer) and I might be able to clear up some stuff for you guys.
EDIT: @Surgo: Earlier I just kind of skimmed through your posts, but now I went back and read them and I have to say either you have amazingly huge/slow fingers or idk. I think not always having a finger on the C-stick might help you, but then your finger speed comes into question.
Wrong. If your opponent is absolutely terrible, then maybe.
For all the technical stuff, Surgo, I use the regular set-up. I do NOT use the C-stick for aerials, even though it is good if you can get used to it. I don't always have my finger on the c-stick, but i have fast fingers from things like typing (130 wpm) and playing piano for 7 years. I don't really know how to help you when you're talking about not being fast enough and having cramped space, because I don't have those problems. I can give you some tips though:
• For waveshining backwards, jump before you move the analog stick diagonally.
• I use Y to jump. I think it's probably the best option a falco player has, if you can get used to it. I've always used Y to jump so when I first started playing Falco, it was great. Y is good because it is a shorter and easier slide from Y to B than from X to B. This makes stuff like multishining, waveshining, and pillaring easier.
• I don't know how well you guys are caught up with the current Melee "scene" but "DaShizWiz" is unarguably the most technical Falco. He is also (arguably) the best one out there right now. Mew2King and Shiz recently had a set (best 3 out of 5) and after watching them I can say that's probably the pinnacle of Melee thus far. Great stuff. If you somehow can't find them try looking up HansBantash on youtube and they're in my favorites.
• If you have any more questions (i'm not claiming to be an expert or anything, just a pretty good Falco mainer) and I might be able to clear up some stuff for you guys.
EDIT: @Surgo: Earlier I just kind of skimmed through your posts, but now I went back and read them and I have to say either you have amazingly huge/slow fingers or idk. I think not always having a finger on the C-stick might help you, but then your finger speed comes into question.