EVO 1 - Part 1 (Pokemon Submission)

Heh, welcome to the first EVO project. This part of the project is to help decide which existing pokemon to evolve.

The following are viable candidates. PLEASE READ this list before posting about your favorite pokemon.

This is like the concept poll, so each person may suggest one Pokemon for evolution, and must fully explain what each Pokemon evolution would bring to the metagame.

People may post in support of Pokemon, but must back up their support with solid reasoning.

Discuss!

For me personally, I'd have to vote for Qwilfish
The reason I say this is because I am a huge fan of weather teams, and rain is particularly fun to play, and Quilfish is definately one of the first Pokemon that I consider since contrary to what many people think, poison and water provide great type coverage. However, Quilfish really has shit for defences, and this greatly hinders his sweeping ability, so a bulkier evolution (with maybe a bit more power) would be greatly appreciated (giant fugu ftw).
Even if speed was decreased by a few points, swift swim should still be retained for this purpose.

Camerupt: Camerupt is a fairly decent pokemon as it is, can wall scizor, tear through bronzong, takes neutral damage or less from the majority of heatrans attacks. Camerupt also posesses STAB Earth Power and Fire Blast, which is enough to put a wide dent in the metagame, Camerupt is slow, so it's not really suitable for the mixed sweeper position it's other offensive stats might push towards, however, underneath his above average attack stats, he posesses fair defenses. I guess the best word for a camerupt evo would be, Tank. With High offensive stats, fairly decent defenses, it's only real problem is the speed. Camerupt has the ability solid rock as well, which helps his defenses greatly, but still isn't enough to save him from some things. So, with camerupts offensive stats, defensive stats, and access to stealth rock, I think he'd be a great first candidate for the EVO project, and an all around useable pokemon, as well as an attempt at a tank type pokemon, something the CAP has not yet challenged.

I think a Linoone evolution would be very interesting. It would add possibly a viable good Belly Drummer and a fast normal physical sweeper which we haven't seen for a long time. Belly Drum ExtremeSpeed would be pretty awesome to see, especially with the +speed Pinch berry. As of now, Linoone's crap stats don't give it play, but an evolution would seriously be cool. Perhaps we might get off the WOW factor of recent projects and make just a solid powerful pokemon.

Hmm, i started a thread like this back when Diamond and Pearl were first released (in japan). Lets see how this one does. (not on this site BTW)

RBY

Jynx, Magmar, Electabuzz

GSC

Smoochum, Magby, Elekid

DPPt

Magmortar (asthetically horribal), and Electivire (best coverage ever)

Ice/Psychic is a great combination held by no other, yet they didn't build off it sadly.
Jynx has a great movepool, but doesn't have the stats to be very effective anywhere but UU,
building off Jynx is what im going for, she be the most badass looking humanshape pokemon.
Boosting it SAtk, and Speed, and SDef are basically what it wants as well as some great ability making it be able to pull off something nothing else can, maybe Ice Storm when hit by an Ice attack SDef/SAtk increases a stage would be staple at fending off Ice attacks, Forearm is non pratical and Oblivious is useless. It could become a great Special Wall, as long as it has a way to counter Heatran.

My vote will have to go for lopunny.Lopunny has nice stats all around,with an attack boost this thing can become stapple or atleast more used.It has a very nice big movepool,an interesting ability in kluts wich combone with switchxcenero it can be very interesting making it unpredictable.its special defense is decent and it has great speed.Lopunny is a great pokemon just needs that boost in attack and a touch here and there and it can be a very interssting addition to any team

I would have to say Jynx. I mean, Magmar, Electabuzz and Jynx did everything together. Then 4th gen, Magmar evolves, Electabuzz evolves and Jynx? Left out in the dark. And if that wasn't a reason enough, Forewarn is an ability that is only used by Jynx and Hypno and is very useful, you may find out if your opponent has a Specsmence or DDmence or you can see if that Lucario will CC the life out of you or Aura Sphere you. Jynx also has a many movesets and can be very unpredictable.

i would like to see a houndoom evolution overused only has 2 fire types right now heatran and infernape.3 if you count pyroak. beefing up his stats a little and maybe giving it earth power, aura sphere ,or focus blast could make him more usable

Hariyama is a Pokemon that has many useful things going for it, but in practice it's usually outclassed by other Pokemon. It can notably be either offensive or defensive, which is rare for a Fighting-type, and it makes a very useful counter to Heatran provided it's running Thick Fat. However it was actually weakened in Platinum due to the heavy offensive nature of the metagame and, more specifically, the introduction of Skymin. Hariyama has many great and unique strengths to take advantage of, but it has trouble contributing these abilities to the game because of various problems, and with an evolution, we can better take advantage of a bulky Fighting-type.

Farfetch'd has needed an evolution for 4 gens, and it's "logical" next step has alot of potential if we endow it with fighting/flying, a dual type previously unexplored. flying with no sr weak is awesome, and so is 4x bug/2x fighting resists (hera counter without 4x weaks, altohugh losing twave immune). it can also act as a great check to ttar, not dying to random ice beams (given decent def stats) and resisting dark attacks.

fight/fly is a great offensive stab combo too, only being stopped by zapdos and rotom forms. I think it would definitely muck up the metagame given the chance..

No you're not doing Hariyama if my life depends on it. That thing has higher defenses than Vaporeon and 120 base Attack already! It's the only one of its kind, to be honest, and it's so horribly underrated now. Not to mention it aready has a great stat total and movepool.

I mean, uh, Farfetch'd. Seriously, what Gorm said is true. Farfy is one of the coolest Pokémon in the game, but is hindered by lack of stats, something EVO can easily fix. The proposal to make it a different type is also a good one. I mean, isn't EVO basically designed for Pokémon just like Farfetch'd that desperately need evolutions?

I'm going to have to go with Farfetch'd.

As Gorm said, it's has a great tentative typing and has the ability to be a great bulky strong (probably slow) Flying type physical sweeper. Plus, Fighting / Flying is just a plain amazing type combination both offensively and defensively. With a Rock type for coverage, it's unresisted. Plus, who doesn't want to finally give this guy a break when Nintendo has done nothing for him in 4 generations of Pokemon?

Hypno gets my vote, quite frankly. An Annoyer with a secondary step towards a Special wall. Some people may look at Hypno's stats and say that it is too high. After doing the tallying, Hypno's base stat total matches that of Rhydon. giving him equally good a reason to be given an evolution.

Statistically speaking, there are 5 Special walls in the OU metagame with a better special defense then Hypno, and there are 5 Physical walls with a defense better then Rhydon, and almost no annoyers. In theory, A Hypno Evolution with improved stats and a new type could stand a battle of wits with the queen of Special walls herself.

I'd just like to add that ice/psychic is possibly the worst typing in the entire world who would want to evolve jynx xD

Banette needs an evolution. In Ruby and Sapphire Banette and Dusclops were like each other, both being found in the same areas, both having the same types. Banette's evolution could be a semi-bulky slow sweeper, like Metagross.
If I'm allowed to suggest a name for it, Mariodoom (marionette and doom).

I'll agree with Gorm and say that Farfetch'd needs to evolve too, but he's already stated what I was going to say.

On a side note, I have the feeling this thread will turn into random people suggesting random evolutions with no basis.

Masquerain needs an evolution that goes back to surskits typing. I mean seriously, Bug/Water is just dangerous. It resists some of the most common types in Fighting, Ground, Water, and Ice. If it became bulky it could become one of the best walls, especially if it kept intimidate.

Chris is me said:

No you're not doing Hariyama if my life depends on it. That thing has higher defenses than Vaporeon and 120 base Attack already! It's the only one of its kind, to be honest, and it's so horribly underrated now. Not to mention it aready has a great stat total and movepool.

I mean, uh, Farfetch'd. Seriously, what Gorm said is true. Farfy is one of the coolest Pokémon in the game, but is hindered by lack of stats, something EVO can easily fix. The proposal to make it a different type is also a good one. I mean, isn't EVO basically designed for Pokémon just like Farfetch'd that desperately need evolutions?

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Yeah, but Hariyama doesn't have alot of the options Vaporeon has :S

Also, Hariyama has equal Def to Vappy, but 35 less base Sp. Def, and the amount of HP is has over vaporeon is far less...

Atyroki said:

Yeah, but Hariyama doesn't have alot of the options Vaporeon has :S

Also, Hariyama has equal Def to Vappy, but 35 less base Sp. Def, and the amount of HP is has over vaporeon is far less...

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Vaporeon Base HP = 130, Min 404, Max 464
Hariyama Base HP = 144, Min 429, Max 492

Just to clear that up.

I'm going out on a limb here and voting for Pachirisu. It was honestly blessed with horrible stats, but has an okay support movepool, and an evo could provide a boost in both movepool options and stats. It is in the same boat as Farfetch'd really.

I am also voting for Farfetch'd, due to the numerous reasons already listed above.

I'm going to go with Dunsparce on this one. It's base stats are bad, and it overdue for a evolution. It has a workable ability, and a ok movepool now. Really all it needs are better base stats. and a slightly large movepool. Making him a good choice for our first pokemon to do, or as a rather quick evo if needed

Going with Masquerain here. So much potential for a bug/water wasted...

Gormenghast said:

Farfetch'd has needed an evolution for 4 gens, and it's "logical" next step has alot of potential if we endow it with fighting/flying, a dual type previously unexplored. flying with no sr weak is awesome, and so is 4x bug/2x fighting resists (hera counter without 4x weaks, altohugh losing twave immune). it can also act as a great check to ttar, not dying to random ice beams (given decent def stats) and resisting dark attacks.

fight/fly is a great offensive stab combo too, only being stopped by zapdos and rotom forms. I think it would definitely muck up the metagame given the chance..

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what gormy said.

bandwagon-ing farfetch'd.

also, to the masquerain lovers...i totally agree that we need a bug water, but i think that would better be saved for if/when we do a split evo from surskit. i don't think there is any precedent for a pokemon changing type upon evolution, and then evolving BACK to its original type...so even though that might limit us to masquerain's 412 bst...i'm sure with x-acts calculator we can still come up with a perfectly viable bug/water poke. OR we could do that in the next CAP. pretty much the only reason a fighting/flying type didnt get done already was because we all wanted it for farfy...

just my twelve cents. back to writing my thesis.

With Scizors running around in every team, Camerupt, if evolved, is almost confirmed of a place in OU. Its defenses (70/70/75) aren't the worst, with evolving it, maybe its defense can be increased to make it a really good scizor counter. It already has decent offensive stats, a movepool consisting of many useful moves (SR, Yawn, WoW) and with a bit more speed, it can serve as a very good Tank.

Deck Knight nominates Electode for president.

Electrode already has a lot of things going for it: It can Explode, it has the fastest Taunt in the game, it can retaliate special attacks with Mirror Coat, and it has a decent defensive stat arrangement. The only thing that really holds it back is special attack power.

If you want a pokemon that can even beat Aerodactyl and Azelf speed Stealth Rocks with a faster Taunt, if you want a pokemon that can stat-up and ignore Roar, if you want a pokemon who no longer only worries your opponent's stat-up pokemon if it Explodes, vote Electrode.

Do your civic duty, support the Power Plant unions, vote Electrode.

While we're re-examining the pile of overlooked pokemon, I want to throw out the idea of Sableye. In DP, as far as niche is concerned Spiritomb completely took any place that Sableye had before. Poor Sableye is left in the wake of Spiritomb even though it has just as viable a movepool, but without good enough stats to utilize any of it.

Let's see if I can make this sound convincing enough to get more support for the grinning imp, geeze I don't know how to word this stuff...

The way I see it Sableye's movepool and stats seem to suggest him as becoming a sort of Ghosty Alakazam; a physical Alakazam. Currently, Dusknoir is the only ghost who can go physical in OU, but his stats lead him to be a tank. Similarly Spiritomb, who can also attack, is relegated to a supporting/tankish slot in a team build. With the right stats, Sableye could become a really unique OU pokemon. Sableye leans towards the physical side both in attack and defense, something that is not seen/explored in ghosts at all and would be an interesting discourse.

Higher atk and def and speed would enable him to threaten on a switch to his triple immunities, and his movepool would let him mess around like nobody's business. With moves unique to ghosts (and most dark types) like Knock Off and Recover, he could cause as much mayhem as tricky gimmick Alakazam sets.

Obviously, the typing and good movepool (nasty plot and recover + 0 weaknesses) will be cause for careful consideration of the evolved stats, but I think it lends itself to the project by giving us a good focus to make it fit. I guess a good pokemon to compare to how I envision Sableye evolved is Porygon Z mixed with the supporting options of Alakazam. C'mon, this guy is BEGGING to be given Skill Swap, so it can use stall as a sort of reverse-scarf.



Another interesting thing I want to note, for both Sableye and my second choice Farfetch'd is that by evolving either of them we'll not disturb the UU environment at all, as if there were a theoretical NU tier these two would definitely be in it.