Previous thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47902
Our new stat spread for Syclant is:
70 / 116 / 70 / 114 / 65 / 115
And the following moves will be removed:
Focus Blast
Stone Edge
Superpower
Our next task is to vote on the new movepool.
This is the movepool as it stands:
This is Latino's movepool:
This is zarator's movepool:
Reasoning has been included.
Our new stat spread for Syclant is:
70 / 116 / 70 / 114 / 65 / 115
And the following moves will be removed:
Focus Blast
Stone Edge
Superpower
Our next task is to vote on the new movepool.
This is the movepool as it stands:
Code:
[B]Movepool[/B]:
[B]Level[/B]:
- Thunder Fang
- Fire Fang
- Leech life
- Leer
- Ice Shard
10 Focus Energy
15 Knock Off
17 Slash
20 Bite
28 Icy Wind
32 X-Scissor
40 Night Slash
49 Ice Punch
55 Bug Buzz
65 Sheer Cold
[B]TMs/HMs[/B]:
TM03: Water Pulse
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM12: Taunt
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM15: Hyper Beam
TM16: Light Screen
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM33: Reflect
TM39: Rock Tomb
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM41: Torment
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM47: Steel Wing
TM51: Roost
TM52: Focus Blast
TM54: False Swipe
TM56: Fling
TM58: Endure
TM60: Drain Punch
TM62: Silver Wind
TM63: Embargo
TM65: Shadow Claw
TM66: Payback
TM68: Giga Impact
TM70: Flash
TM71: Stone Edge
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
TM91: Flash Cannon
HM01: Cut
HM03: Fly (for those bitching that this doesn't fly, explain Doduo) [I]yes this is really from the stratergy dex... lol.[/I]
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash
[B]Egg Moves ([COLOR=olive]Bug Group[/COLOR])[/B]:
- Earth Power (Trapinch)
- Superpower (Pinsir)
- Spikes (Forretress)
- Counter (Forretress)
- Air Slash (Scyther, Scizor)
- Crunch (Skorupi, Drapion, Trapinch)
- Tail Glow (Volbeat)
This is Latino's movepool:
Code:
[B]Movepool[/B]:
[B]Level[/B]:
- Leer
- Scratch
- Leech Life
7 Leech Life
9 Focus Energy
13 Ice Shard
17 Bite
22 Slash
27 Fury Cutter
30 Icy Wind
35 X-Scissor
38 Knock Off
42 Night Slash
47 Ice Fang
55 Bug Buzz
65 Sheer Cold
Competitive moves(Non Tutor/TM) - Bug Buzz, Ice Shard, Night Slash
Removed- Thunder fang, Fire Fang, Ice punch(Tutor)
Added- Ice Fang, Fury Cutter
[B]TMs/HMs[/B]:
TM06: Toxic
TM07: Hail
TM10: Hidden Power
TM12: Taunt
TM13: Ice Beam
TM14: Blizzard
TM15: Hyper Beam
TM16: Light Screen
TM17: Protect
TM18: Rain Dance
TM21: Frustration
TM27: Return
TM28: Dig
TM31: Brick Break
TM32: Double Team
TM33: Reflect
TM40: Aerial Ace
TM42: Facade
TM43: Secret Power
TM44: Attract
TM45: Rest
TM46: Thief
TM47: Steel Wing
TM51: Roost
TM54: False Swipe
TM58: Endure
TM60: Drain Punch
TM62: Silver Wind
TM66: Payback
TM68: Giga Impact
TM70: Flash
TM72: Avalanche
TM75: Swords Dance
TM78: Captivate
TM80: Rock Slide
TM81: X-Scissor
TM82: Sleep Talk
TM83: Natural Gift
TM84: Poison Jab
TM87: Swagger
TM89: U-Turn
TM90: Substitute
HM01: Cut
HM03: Fly
HM04: Strength
HM06: Rock Smash
Removed- Water Pulse, Embargo, Rock Tomb, Focus Blast, Stone Edge, Flash Cannon, Torment, Fling, Shadow Claw
[B]Egg Moves ([COLOR=olive]Bug Group[/COLOR])[/B]:
- Earth Power (Trapinch)
- Counter (Forretress)
- Air Slash (Scyther, Scizor)
- Tail Glow (Volbeat)
- Harden (Pinsir,Kakuna,Ninjask)
- Bug Bite (Numerous)
- Detect (Yanma,Yanmega)
Removed- Superpower, Spikes, Crunch
Added- Harden, Bug Bite, Detect
[B]Tutor Moves[/B]
-Air Cutter
-Fury Cutter
-Ice Punch
-Icy Wind
-Knock Off
-Snore
-Swift
-Earth Power
-Endeavor
-Signal Beam
This is zarator's movepool:
Code:
Movepool:
- Scratch
- Leer
- Leech Life
7 Leech Life
10 Ice Shard
14 Knock Off
18 Slash
23 Bite
29 Swords Dance
32 X-Scissor
40 Night Slash
49 Ice Fang
55 Bug Buzz
64 Sheer Cold
Main Changes
1) Thunder fang and Fire fang have been removed
2) Ice Shard replaced Focus Energy. Scratch replaced previous Ice Shard placement
3) Swords Dance replaced Icy Wind
[B]TMs/HMs[/B]
TM 03 Water Pulse
TM 06 Toxic
TM 07 Hail
TM 10 Hidden Power
TM 12 Taunt
TM 13 Ice Beam
TM 14 Blizzard
TM 15 Hyper Beam
TM 17 Protect
TM 18 Rain Dance
TM 19 Giga Drain
TM 21 Frustration
TM 27 Return
TM 28 Dig
TM 31 Brick Break
TM 32 Double Team
TM 39 Rock Tomb
TM 40 Aerial Ace
TM 41 Torment
TM 42 Facade
TM 43 Attract
TM 44 Secret Power
TM 45 Attract
TM 46 Thief
TM 51 Roost
TM 54 False Swipe
TM 56 Fling
TM 58 Endure
TM 60 Drain Punch
TM 62 Silver Wind
TM 65 Shadow Claw
TM 66 Payback
TM 68 Giga Impact
TM 70 Flash
TM 72 Avalanche
TM 75 Swords Dance
TM 78 Captivate
TM 80 Rock Slide
TM 81 X-Scissor
TM 82 Sleep Talk
TM 83 Natural Gift
TM 84 Poison Jab
TM 87 Swagger
TM 89 U-Turn
TM 90 Substitute
HM 01 Cut
HM 04 Strength
HM 06 Rock Smash
Removals:
1) Light Screen and Reflect. Dual Screen is a powerful support combo, especially when backed by 115 speed and Taunt. I think it should not be allowed to something we meant as a "Pure Glass Cannon"
2) Steel Wing. All pokemon who learn it are either part Flying, have Levitate or are part Steel, so I dont think Syclant should have it
3) Focus Blast. No need to explain here, the community decided
4) Embargo. Only Ghost, Dark and Psychic Pokemon (aside from Zangoose and Persian) have it, so I dont think Syclant should have it too
5) Flash Cannon. There are only 2 categories of pokemon who have this moves, and they are Steel types and pokemon who either have emphasys on Cannon moves ( Blastoise, Kingdra, Octillery ) or have all the elemental beams (Rhyperior, Starmie). Wormadam and Camerupt are the exceptions here
6) Fly. All pokemon who learn fly are
a) Flying typed
b) Levitators (Flygon's case only, anyway)
Discussed moves I kept in the movepool
1) Water Pulse. There are Abomasnow, Articuno, Delibird, Glalie, Frosslass who all learn it. So, why not Syclant?
2) Roost. Most Bug Types who dont have the Flying type but "are supposed to fly" like Beedrill and Scizor have it, and I think this is also Syclant case
Addition
Giga Drain: pretty much all bug types know it, I'd find pretty odd if Syclant would make an exception.
[B]Egg Moves[/B]
Earth Power
Counter
Air Slash
Crunch
Tail Glow
[I]Metal Claw (Scizor)[/I]
I eschewed Super Power (Community decision) and Spikes (too powerful support move in my opinion), and put in Metal Claw just to keep the Egg Moves number acceptable
[B]Tutor moves[/B]
Air Cutter
Fury Cutter
Ice Punch
Icy Wind
Knock Off
Swift
Bounce
Earth Power
Mud Slap
Signal Beam
Snore
Pretty conservative list. Maybe some additions would have been possible, but since Syclant's movepool is already large I didnt want to exceed.
Well, here it is. I think this movepool il legit even according to X-Act guide. So, judge it as you like^^
Reasoning has been included.