Catch me now, give it to me now [Uber RMT]

The Uber metagame is something that most players "shy" away from because of the raw power of Ubers. Of course some "noobs" use Ubers and challenge people only to get destroyed by skilled players and their OU teams. Ubers have the power to OHKO every single pokemon in the game (besides other Ubers) given the chance. Specs-Kyogre is a beautiful example. So when making an Ubers team you need to prepare yourself against large threats. Those threats being: BP Mew, Darkrai, Random Scarf-Users, Pressure Stall, Mewtwo and Rock Polish Groudon.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kyogre is one of the most powerful pokemon in the Uber game when given specs, he could severly hurt BP mew and his reciver of his passed stats
Scizor is an easy way of getting rid of Screens thanks to Brick Break
Dialga can also use Brick Break and become a wall breaker if he's mixed
Deoxys-E/F can set down rocks and perhaps even screens for my team
Lugia is a fast bulky wall that can take hits, weak to Groudon though
Giratina is the best physical wall, and a dandy Spin Block.
Mewtwo with a scarf is the second fastest pokemon, not to mention powerful
Darkrai fantastic Anti-Lead with Scarf or a powerful late game sweeper.
Rayquaza's Extremespeed helps greatly endgame, especially if I get rid of Giratina
Palkia is incredibly strong, with weather support, and a scarf
Celebi can Perish Song a BP pokemon if they don't catch it and Taunt
Metagross is a bulky steel type. With band he can cause trouble with meteor mash
Tyranitar He can change weather and pose a threat to the Lati@s twins
Groudon Can be a bulky supporter for my team, or a powerful sweeper thanks to Rock Polish
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@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Bad Dreams
EVs: 6 HP/252 SpAtk/252 Spe
Timid nature
• Dark Void
• Spacial Rend
• Dark Pulse
• Hidden Power [FIGHTING]
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Overview:
Darkrai is a fantastic lead, only being outsped by other Scarf users like Deoxys-A and E and he ties with himself of course. The idea is simple, I put my opponent to sleep, then switch to Kyogre. Kyogre is just there to be the muscle in the group. Nothing to serious. I was sick of using those damn sucide leads since I always found myself wishing that I could have another sweeper. I decided Stealth Rocks weren't that important and went to Darkrai. Hidden Power [FIGHTING] may seems strange to you, but Focus Blast had costed my games in the past, it really isn't a good thing.

Why not another lead:
I used Deoxys-A for some time and he did a great job at getting rocks down, and maybe getting me a kill. I did find, however, he was almost useless end game. I thought perhaps the bulk of Deoxys-E would help but he was just as useless since he didn't have the power. Darkrai helps get status and has the ability to come back late game to finish off the weakened pokemon (which is a life saver).

@ Choice Specs
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 244 Spd/240 SAtk/24 SDef
Modest nature
• Water Spout
• Surf
• Thunder
• Ice Beam
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Overview:
Specs Kyogre can 2HKO a 252 HP blissey with a Water Spout. Kyogre is the wall breaker of the team. Anything, besides Palkia, is taking a chuck of of their HP making it easier for my Palkia to sweep. I use surf when I'm below 60% health as Water Spout is then weaker than Surf. Ice Beam is to catch a Dragon switch in (like Rayquaza) and Thunder is for other Kyogre's or Water types.

Other wall Breakers:
Dialga is the other wall breaker in the Ubers game, I shy away from him since I rely on him to be my sleep talker and because once I use Draco Meteor I will have to switch out. On the upside he would carry Brick Break getting rid of Screens once and for all. Stopping BP mew. So Kyogre's and Dialga's roles can be switched around for personal preference.


@ Choice Scarf
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature
• Spacial Rend
• Surf
• Thunder
• Aura Sphere
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Overview: Scarf Palkia is a huge staple in the Uber metagame. Coupled with Kyogre her Surf and Thunder always hit their mark. Spacial Rend is the fast STAB move that I needed, as is Surf. Aura Sphere is mainly for coverage against steels if the clouds ain't raining. Timid is so, at worst, I tie for speed with other Palkia's.

Other sweepers:
Rayquaza- He requires set up via Swords Dance or Dragon Dance. Once that happens he can cause some trouble, with the SD set only Extreme Speed is getting off thanks to Rayquaza's very poor speed. Dragon Dance lacks the ability to OHKO a Giratina or Lugia.
Groudon- Also require set up through Rock Poilsh. He can 2HKO Lugia with Stone Edge, barring if she doesn't carry Reflect. (note that's with SR support)

(M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP/38 Atk/220 SDef
Careful nature
• Pursuit
• Stone Edge
• Crunch
• Earthquake
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Overview:
Tyranitar is my trapper and answer to the Lati@s twins. I added some extra bulk to his SpDef and made his nature careful so he can take some boosted Grass Knots and OHKO back with Crunch. Not only that he is my weather changer. Without him Rain Teams would give me hell. Also weakens Palkia's Surf along with Kyogre's. Earthquake is generally not that great move a move considering all the Flying types/Levitators. Though he hurts steels and some other pokemon.

Why not other weather:
Hail wouldn't benefit me in any way. Sand doesn't either but it gives Tyranitar a nice little SpDef boost which helps him. Groudon could help my team, but I don't need another sweeper. He could have been a Bulky-Support but that still leaves me little answer to the Lati@s twins.

@ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/8 Def/248 Spd
Bold nature
• Reflect
• Whirlwind
• Roost
• Ice Beam
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Overview:
Lugia provides screen support for my team, making it easier to switch into Groudon and Rayquaza. With Whirlwind I can get a 2HKO on Ho-Oh once the rocks are down and Roost gets rid of my rock weakness for one turn. Ice Beam is a generic move that for the only reason it hits a few of the Ubers for Super Effective damage. It's mainly a filler.

Why not another wall:
Giratina- Is a great Anti-Spin and Wall. Stopping physical sweepers thanks to W-o-W. He's weak to Dragon attacks though. Considering Dragon is a generic move to use when "you haven't got a clue" in Ubers it makes him a risky switch in. He also doesn't have an immunity to Earthquake unlike Lugia.



@ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP/6 Atk/252 SDef
Careful nature
• Bulk Up
• Rest
• Sleep Talk
• Outrage
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Overview:
Dialga is a great Rest-Talker. Coupled with Bulk Up and Outrage he doesn't fear anything except Mewtwo-Palkia-Darkrai as they all carry Special Fighting moves. Since I'm trying to Max his survivabilty I maxed his HP and SpDef. Leftover is for Health regain.

Why not another Rest-Talker:
The only other common Rest talker in Uber is Kyogre, and since she's running the specs set I don't see the need to make her one and make Dialga mixed. Dialga can break screens but he's more of a Switch-In and Switch-Out kind of wall breaker, not something that can... linger around. Though, once again if you want you can reverse these two pokemons roles if you see that is the case



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Ability:Technician
EV's: 248 HP / 10 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
• Bullet Punch
• U-Turn
• Pursuit
• Roost
Overview:
Scizor is my trapper and the answer to Darkrai (most of the time). With his Bullet Punch have a total of 90 BP and Pursuit getting stronger even if the opponent doesn't switch out he leaaves all Psychics having no idea what to do. Max SpDef so he can take more hits and close to max HP for his suvivability. Roost is to heal myself on switches and U-Turn is for early game scouting,

Why not another trapper:
Tyranitar- I've tried Tyranitar on this team and he did do a fantastic job on trapping my opponent, though the weather change hurt my team more than it helped it. Scizor also has a priority move helping his low speed

@ Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd/6 SAtk
Hasty nature
• Stealth Rock
• Superpower
• Extremespeed
• Shadow Ball
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Overview:I picked Deoxys-F over Deoxys-E because he carries much more power. He's able to get Stealth Rock down on most games without a worry. Shadow Ball is prefered over Grass Knot so I can Combat those Deoxys-E leades easier. Extreme Speed is for picking off sashers (in the beginning) and Super Power is for Darkrai.

Against Other Leads:
Darkrai- Most Darkrai's are Scarfed and will Dark Void right off the bat, so I switch to Dialga to take the sleep then go right back to Deoxys-F. If he isn't Scarfed I can OHKO him with Super Power on the switch in back. If he is I can Stealth Rock and make the game easier.
Deoxys-E- I start off with Shadow Ball, if he taunts then I can kill him with Extreme Speed. If he gets rocks down worst case scenario I'm left with 1% and can't get my rocks down

I might suggest using a 252 hp/8 def/248 speed bold spread on lugia. this way you outrun jolly sd rayquaza before it can stone edge you.

btw you're missing 20 EVs on tyranitar.

Oh shit I am, thanks for that catch. I haven't been seeing as many Rayquaza's but I'll take it into consideration

You can always run Scizor (176 HP/100 Attk/176 SpD/56 Spe; Pursuit/U-Turn/Bullet Punch/Roost) over Tyranitar since for one, it doesn't start a Sandstorm, hampering Palkia, Kyogre and Deoxys-F (considering that its Sash wasn't used) while still trapping and KOing Lati@s, Lugia, well... a lot of frikken Psychics. Scizor also won't be stuck on one move giving something a free setup and can benefit from the Rain as well. Bullet Punch can 2HKO Rayquaza if it switches in on SR, so, yeah.

Giratina would work fine in Lugia's place since it can really keep Groudon from rampaging on this team once Water Spout's BP drops or, if Kyogre is down. Will-o-Wisp/Shadow Claw/Roar/filler would help with this actually potient LOMewtwo weakness I'm seeing. It also keeps your Stealth Rock in play while keeping your weakness to it to an absolute minimum. I doubt that Earthquake would pose much of a threat unless it's a SubSalac Groudon with a Swords Dance up.

Also, ScarfKrai might have a chance over ScarfPalkia since it could provide Sleep Support while still having the ability to hit and probabally KO most Uber Dragons and Psychics. TrickKrai might also do this team well by keeping most walls and sweepers locked in on one move while you can switch to their respective switch in.

Other than that, pretty solid team.

Tyranitar can't go for a few reasons, the main one being that without him teams that are based around Weather can go all out on me (assuming the only weather team in Ubers is rain). With that Scizor isn't as bulky as Tyranitar, he may be able to take some Dragon attacks, but he won't be able to be my Special Attack Absorber.

I have though about Scarf-Rai but in the end I would switch in, Sleep, switch out come back in, maybe deal SOME damage with but he lacks the real "umph" that Palkia has in the rain. Giratina might not care about Earthquake but he really cares about STAB Dragon attacks, or boosted Dragon attacks for that matter.

Tyranitar can't go for a few reasons, the main one being that without him teams that are based around Weather can go all out on me.

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Wait... Groudon's at #3 under the only Pokemon in Ubers who dispells weather effects, Drought teams aren't common? Besides, Groudon, Garchomp, Bronzong, Foretress, Heatran, Dialga, Scizor, Metagross and Rayquaza don't really mind the Sandstorm, in fact, it helps them wear this team down.

With that Scizor isn't as bulky as Tyranitar,

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True, but, Scizor's only weakness is actually made a thing of the past by the Rain and it has a reliable recovery option to choose from. Seeing as how it can take on a lot of Uber threats without having to switch out makes him a viable option.

he may be able to take some Dragon attacks, but he won't be able to be my Special Attack Absorber.

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It can take on Lati@s easily while scouting your opponent's team and have the ability to revenge kill stuff like Deoxys-F, Darkrai and Rayquaza. The Special Attack absorber is where Giratina/Lugia comes in.

I have though about Scarf-Rai but in the end I would switch in, Sleep, switch out come back in, maybe deal SOME damage with but he lacks the real "umph" that Palkia has in the rain.

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Which is why I also suggested Trick as an option to mess up some of his threats like Blissey, Dialga, Metagross, Scizor, etc.

Giratina might not care about Earthquake but he really cares about STAB Dragon attacks, or boosted Dragon attacks for that matter.

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Which is why I suggested that alongside Scizor since it can take some STAB Dragon hits while killing off that Dragon in the process. He also makes a great way to absorb Special Attacks in the Uber metagame >_>.

I'm only suggesting that you try these options out and see how they work. If they fail, shame on me, if they work, shame on me.

If you go with Scizor, run Obi's spread. Adamant 248 HP / 16 Atk / 252 SpD allows you to take Dragon / Dark Pulse from the likes of Lati@s / Darkrai better. Outrunning Shedinja is not worth those 56 EVs and you really don't need that much attack to rape Lati@s.

Yeah I'm definitely agreeing on upping lugia's speed to 318 min, if jolly sd rayquaza gets an sd in it can absolutely run through your team.

As for the recommendation of scizor over tyranitar, I would have to agree. Your team seriously has a bitch of a time switching into Darkrai and Lati@s. Every time Darkrai comes in it's more than likely netting a kill or at least denting something pretty hard. Lati@s is countered by TTar I guess, but you'd probably be safer with Scizor. Also you don't have any way to handle Scarf Palkia, not that many teams do, but with Scizor you at least prevent it from spamming Spacial Rend.

With the ample Blissey coverage you have already, I can see why you decided against Aqua Tail on Palkia for something else, but Aura Sphere isn't your best option. Surf/Spacial Rend already provide near perfect coverage. There's nothing you'll hit with Aura Sphere that won't be hit by those moves harder. Any Psychic and particularly Giratina-o can switch in after a kill and wreak havoc.

I see two alternatives. First, Fire Blast. While it may seem counterproductive to run Fire Blast on a team with Kyogre (and Tyranitar), some teams use Groudon to shield their Steels from Palkia. In the sun, even Lustrous Orb Palkia fails to 2HKO standard ubers Scizor with Surf or Spacial Rend. Fire Blast avoids this problem. Aside from that, it gives you a good attack combination to threaten with should Kyogre go down early, as Dragon + Fire nets similar coverage to Dragon + Water. (Fire Blast also hits Groudon itself harder than any of your other attacks) Yes, your coverage on steels is already "pretty good", but I still like what Fire Blast brings to the table.

The second alternative is Draco Meteor, which is a good last ditch effort at stopping major threats that Spacial Rend falls short of KOing, but I still like Fire Blast more.

I've tried Scizor out he both hindered and helped the team. Darkrai was easier to get rid of, but Kyogre gave me more trouble. I'll up Lugia's speed though, don't want something going through myy team.

Aura Sphere was to give me some help against Dialga, Fire Blast does seem like it could work if my opponent had a groudon.

I guess I will continue testing Scizor over Tyranitar.

Edit:
After testing Scizor over Tyranitar I have found it a bit more difficult to handle Shedinja. I don't think it's to much of a worry since they are not that common, just though I would put out that a W-o-W Shed gives some grief (especially if it has a sash)

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I've also just found out the Bulk-Up Dialga is a HUGE problem without Tyranitar there with his threatening Earthquake. I barely pulled off a win with out him. Trapper Scizor also hasn't been to huge of an asset. So Tyranitars Sand Stream really helps me more than it hurts me

Your only answer to Rock Polish Groudon is Kyorge. Lugia fails, because if Lugia swaps into Groudon as it RPs, its Stone Edge deals 65.87-77.88% damage. Even after you set up Reflect, Stone Edge does 32.69-38.94% damage, which is a very likely 2HKO. If you Roost, Stone Edge will KO on the 4th hit at the latest, so you are relying on a miss (and not receiving a crit). As well, you need Lugia to be healthy so it can take down Rayquaza.

Consequently, Kyorge should be more suited to taking an Earthquake. I would use the generic 240 HP / 244 SAtt / 24 Spd spread, as you will find little use for 244 Spd.

I recommend Scizor over Tyranitar. Your team is already rain based with Kyorge and Palkia, and it handles LO Mewtwo well, seeing as your relying on Scarf Palkia to beat it (taking a strong hit in the process). And few LO Mewtwo have Flamethrower (which is weakened in your rain - the same goes for Latias HP Fire).

Spikes > Superpower on Deoxys, because like you said, most Darkrai leads are Scarfed, and the rest of your team can handle Darkrai fine once it puts something to sleep, especially if you have Scizor. Spikes are very powerful in Ubers and Rapid Spinning is very rare.

Hmmm, maybe Superpower in Earthquake's slot on ttar? Missing the SE hit on Metagross seems like a huge failing, but if you really hate flyers comin for no-damage what-soever I could see it having some viability.

I really think Kyogre should have 112 Speed EVs (gives it 244, outruns no Speed base 100s/JollyTar)

And few LO Mewtwo have Flamethrower

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Weird. I see people use Fire Blast all over, mainly to OHKO Scizor in the rain.

Consequently, Kyorge should be more suited to taking an Earthquake. I would use the generic 240 HP / 244 SAtt / 24 Spd spread, as you will find little use for 244 Spd.

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On the other hand, Rock Polish Groudon runs at least 247 Speed and outruns that Kyogre, so Kyogre better not get smacked on the switch with Earthquake or it will die thinking it's faster.

Team is pretty solid though. I can't really say much else at the moment. Stall teams could be problematic because despite Kyogre's wall breaking ability it can't switch into Blissey to beat it down. It's a cycle kind of thing, but you don't want to cycle against stall teams because they'll wear you down with Spikes/SR/TS

They send out Bliss
You switch Palkia to Dialga
They send in Groudon
You send in Lugia
They send in Forry and sets up Spikes/SR
You send in Kyogre
They send in Latias
You go to Scizor
They go to Forry
Cycle restarts. use U-turn to avoid this

You can say the same thing about a stall team for every team made. I mean a lot of the RMT's for OU here won't break through Obi stall in the hands of an experienced player.

Scizor has too many evs (8)

If your going that high with speed on lugia, i'd just go for 252hp/64def/192spe timid to outpace non scarf chomp

JabbaTheGriffin said:

Yeah I'm definitely agreeing on upping lugia's speed to 318 min, if jolly sd rayquaza gets an sd in it can absolutely run through your team.

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this is why I'm running so much speed, to out pace Jolly SDRay

I'll bump this(note this is my first bump), I've noticed some things.

With Stealth Rocks down ADAMANT swords dance Rayquaza can tear through my team.

Another thing is Kyogre with Calm mind, Rest, Sleep Talk and Surf gives me hell.

Also changed my lead.

While I agree that Darkrai is a fantastic lead, I came up with this lead that wrecks Scarfrai. It has got me up by 4 pokemon, and I feel that it could benefit you by quite a bit:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49453

I tend to not stay in on Darkrai leads since speed ties make me uneasy

One thing that might be off putting against your anti-Darkrai is that it's a Darkrai trying to go against a Darkrai, and thus if the opponent doesn't want to take chances he or she can just switch out.

Just recently I've been using Lum (dunno if Chesto would be better, though) Berry Scizor to handle Darkrai leads, and it's been quite successful.

Another thing is Kyogre with Calm mind, Rest, Sleep Talk and Surf gives me hell.

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You have Specs Ogre to stop it in addition to Scarf Palkia who can take down CM Rest/Talk Ogre with a little hax on his side. Oh and Dialga

You have Specs Ogre to stop it in addition to Scarf Palkia who can take down CM Rest/Talk Ogre with a little hax on his side. Oh and Dialga

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I have people on the ladder who bring it out late game where Kyogre is hurt, Dialga is asleep and Palkia can do shit once it has a CM or two

Gen. Empoleon said:

I have people on the ladder who bring it out late game where Kyogre is hurt, Dialga is asleep and Palkia can do shit once it has a CM or two

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Isn't that the goal for every sweeper set up though? Weaken counters, then proceed.

Point is, your coverage is sufficient enough. You also have TTar to change the weather (then go to Dialga)

Yeah... guess I'll just have to play smarter.

Shucks. Go ahead and lock this thread mate.

Shucks. Go ahead and lock this thread mate.

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Wait...why?

I think this team is a good as it's going to get.

No need in keeping it up anymore since my shotty playing can't counter a CM ogre.