Electivire [4N] - Meditate

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I've swept a lot more teams with this set than LiechiVire.

[SET]
name: Meditate
move 1: Meditate
move 2: ThunderPunch
move 3: Ice Punch
move 4: Earthquake / Low Kick
item: Life Orb
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Meditate is Electivire's only method of boosting its great Attack stat. Although it won't be quite as powerful as Swords Dance Lucario or Heracross, Electivire has a few niches which can make it a worthwhile contender. The premise is simple: Come in on an Electric attack to activate your ability Motor Drive (preferably from a Choice item user) and Meditate on the switch. Now you've got yourself 433 Speed and 739 Attack (when factoring in Life Orb's boost)! STAB ThunderPunch maims Gyarados and most other bulky Water-types that may trouble Lucario, while Ice Punch shall bring Gliscor into the dust. Earthquake completes your type coverage by hitting Heatran, Metagross, and Magnezone super effective. Low Kick may seem strange when you have access to Cross Chop, however Low Kick has 100% accuracy and achieves all the necessary kills after a Meditate boost. You can effectively 2HKO Blissey, OHKO Mamoswine and Snorlax while nabbing KOs on Registeel, Regirock, and Steelix if you ever run into them. These three attacking moves allow Electivire to hit more than half of the standard metagame for super effective damage.</p>

<p>Life Orb and Stealth Rock are a must when using this Electivire. Both are required to guarantee a 2HKO on defensive Celebi, OHKO on 252 HP / 12 Def Metagross, while having a fair chance to OHKO Zapdos, Suicune, and Skarmory with the respective super effective move. Some other common counters to the standard Electivire, such as Latias, will be OHKOed as well after a Meditate. Electivire runs into trouble against Pokemon he can't hit super effective, mainly Rotom-A and Swampert. Bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon and Donphan may also prove troublesome as they can nail you in one hit with Earthquake. Bulky Gyarados is a great partner because he can Taunt the foe to prevent it from setting up, statusing him, or phazing Gyarados out, then set up until he is ready to sweep. The other rather obvious use of Gyarados is to lure in Electric attacks for Electivire to absorb. Togekiss and Suicune, are great at luring in Electric attacks as well to get Electevire that Motor Drive boost. Both of them fare well against the likes of Hippowdon and Donphan tooHowever, defensive Rotom-A still gives you some trouble. Blissey may be your best bet at countering it. Blissey can also spread around Toxic and keep Electivire alive with Wish so he can wreak as much havoc as possible. Scizor, Heracross, Swampert, Flygon, and many others can use a variety of moves to slowly wear down the foe enough for Electivire to reach its full sweeping potential. They can also take at least one Ground attack (or in Flygon's case, any and all of them) and retaliate back with a powerful move. Forretress can lay down a couple layer of Spikes and Toxic Spikes to further aid Electivire's cause, while sponging almost any Ground attack with ease. Pokemon such as Togekiss and Suicune, are great at luring in Electric attacks to get Electevire that Motor Drive boost. Both of them fare well against the likes of Hippowdon and Donphan too.</p>
 
MetaNite said:
I've swept a lot more teams with this set than LiechiVire.
So...?
[SET]
name: Meditate
move 1: Meditate
move 2: ThunderPunch
move 3: Ice Punch
move 4: Earthquake
item: Life Orb
nature: Adamant
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Meditate is Electivire's only method of boosting its great Attack stat. Although it won't be quite as powerful as Swords Dance Lucario or Heracross, Electivire has a few niches which can make it a worthwhile contender. The premise is simple: Come in on an Electric attack to activate Motor Drive (preferably from a Choice item user) and Meditate on the switch. Now you've got yourself 433 Speed and 739 Attack (when factoring in Life Orb's boost)! STAB ThunderPunch maims Gyarados and most other bulky Water-types that may trouble Lucario, while Ice Punch will bring Gliscor into the dust. Earthquake complements type coverage by hitting Heatran, Metagross, and Magnezone super effective. Cross Chop is an alternative to Earthquake, but the lost coverage on Metagross as well as the subpar accuracy isn't usually worth it unless you are incredibly afraid of Mamoswine and Lickilicky. These three attacking moves allow Electivire to hit more than half of the standard metagame for super effective damage.</p>

<p>Life Orb and Stealth Rock are a must when using this Electivire. Both are required to guarantee a 2HKO on defensive Celebi, OHKO on 252 HP / 12 Def Metagross, while having a fair chance to OHKO Zapdos, Suicune, and Skarmory with the respective super effective move. Some other common counters to the standard Electivire, such as Latias, will be OHKOed as well after a Meditate. Electivire runs into trouble against Pokemon he can't hit super effectively, mainly Rotom-A and Swampert. Bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon and Donphan may also prove troublesome as they can nail you in one hit with Earthquake. Bulky Gyarados is a great partner because he can Taunt the foe to prevent it from setting up, statusing him, or phazing Gyarados out, then set up until he is ready to sweep. However, defensive Rotom-A still gives you some trouble. Blissey may be your best bet at countering it. Blissey can also spread around Toxic and keep Electivire alive with Wish so he can wreak as much havoc as possible. Scizor, Heracross, Swampert, Flygon, and many others can use a variety of moves to slowly wear down the foe enough for Electivire to reach its full sweeping potential. They can also take at least one Ground attack (or in Flygon's case, any and all of them) and retaliate back with a powerful move. Forretress can lay down a couple layer of Spikes and Toxic Spikes to further aid Electivire's cause, while sponging almost any Ground attack with ease. Pokemon such as Togekiss and Suicune, are great at luring in Electric attacks to get Electevire that Motor Drive boost. Both of them fare well against the likes of Hippowdon and Donphan too.</p>
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[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Meditate is Electivire's only method of boosting its great Attack stat. Although it won't be quite as powerful as Swords Dance Lucario (Electivire?) or Heracross, Electivire has a few niches which can make it a worthwhile contender. The premise is simple: Come in on an Electric attack to activate your ability Motor Drive (preferably from a Choice item user) and Meditate on the switch. Now you've got yourself 433 Speed and 739 Attack (when factoring in Life Orb's boost)! STAB ThunderPunch maims Gyarados and most other bulky Water-types that may trouble Lucario, while Ice Punch shall bring Gliscor into the dust. Earthquake completes your type coverage by hitting Heatran, Metagross, and Magnezone super effective. Cross Chop is an alternative to Earthquake, but the lost coverage on Metagross as well as the subpar accuracy isn't usually worth it, unless you are incredibly afraid of Mamoswine and Lickilicky. These three attacking moves allow Electivire to hit more than half of the standard metagame for super effective damage.</p>

<p>Life Orb and Stealth Rock are a must when using this Electivire. Both are required to guarantee a 2HKO on defensive Celebi, OHKO on 252 HP / 12 Def Metagross, while having a fair chance to OHKO Zapdos, Suicune, and Skarmory with the respective super effective move. Some other common counters to the standard Electivire, such as Latias, will be OHKOed as well after a Meditate. Electivire runs into trouble against Pokemon he can't hit super effective, mainly Rotom-A and Swampert. Bulky Ground-types such as Hippowdon and Donphan may also prove troublesome as they can nail you in one hit with Earthquake. Bulky Gyarados is a great partner because he can Taunt the foe to prevent it from setting up, statusing him, or phazing Gyarados out, then set up until he is ready to sweep (Maybe mention about how it lures for Motor Drive?). However, defensive Rotom-A still gives you some trouble. Blissey may be your best bet at countering it. Blissey can also spread around Toxic and keep Electivire alive with Wish so he can wreak as much havoc as possible. Scizor, Heracross, Swampert, Flygon, and many others can use a variety of moves to slowly wear down the foe enough for Electivire to reach its full sweeping potential. They can also take at least one Ground attack (or in Flygon's case, any and all of them) and retaliate back with a powerful move. Forretress can lay down a couple layer of Spikes and Toxic Spikes to further aid Electivire's cause, while sponging almost any Ground attack with ease. Pokemon such as Togekiss and Suicune, are great at luring in Electric attacks to get Electevire that Motor Drive boost. Both of them fare well against the likes of Hippowdon and Donphan too. (Maybe after the sentence about Gyarados?)</p>
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Low Kick might be worth a slash here. The main reason Low Kick is snubbed on the other sets is for the loss of the 2HKO on Blissey but Meditate removes that problem.

Low Kick gets 120BP on Heatran, Gyarados, Mamoswine, Metagross, Regirock/Steel, Rhyperior, Snorlax, Steelix and Tyranitar.

100BP on Electivire, Magnezone, Raikou, Regice and Salamence.

(yeah I know Gyara and Mence resist but it's no longer a completely free switch in for them)

(whats with the random Lickilicky reference anyway, who the heck uses that?)
 
MetaNite said:
Cool, Low Kick. Never thought of that. What advantage does it have over Earthquake? It does hit Mamoswine and also the Regis, Rhyperior and Snorlax harder. But you lose the KO on Metagross I believe.

(I honestly couldn't think of any other Pokemon than Mamoswine to use Cross Chop, but I knew people would be tempted to use it. Plus I like Lickilicky although I can delete if its too random).

I'll definately test Low Kick
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Added Low Kick. Depends mostly on if you need to kill Metagross or Mamoswine/Snorlax.

Bump also. I'd like more comments on it.
 
It seems what makes this set viable despite only having a single stage stat-up move is motor drive. If you don't get a motor drive boost, you will get easily revenge killed, but if you get the boost and meditate on the switch, it's essentially like you've used Dragon Dance. That's what differentiates this from say, Growth Roserade.

This does seem like a good way to set up SD Lucario. If it can lure and remove Gliscor (who would expect to survive Ice Punch before meditate), Celebi, and Zapdos, then it surely helps Lucario. Also, if it suicides against things that it can't finish off (Hippowdon, Swampert) then you can bring in something to scare them away, so they don't recover. That way, when Lucario comes along, they won't be at full health to take a boosted Close Combat. The main Lucario counter that this won't deal with is Gyarados: not because Electivire can't beat Gyarados, but because Gyarados knows he loses and will flee, and thus will still be around to stop Lucario.
 
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