The Codex Tournament Series: First day is Nov 24!

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The First Codex Tournament will take place on Tuesday, November 24

As the Late Night Tournament comes to a close, I am planning the beginning of a new tournament series. While the LNT was a casual, gimmicky tournament, this series of tournaments is intended to be highly competitive. I am hoping it will provide a stark contrast to the LNT and - more importantly to some people - a creative outlet for competitive players who feel that standard has become static and monotonous. With a varying and highly limited pool of moves available to their teams, players will be forced to make sacrifices and balance out their Pokemon's sets in order to create the best team possible. This is...

The Codex Tournament Series​


Here are the tentative rules:

  • Several days before each tournament, a list of 40 moves will be released (this is in addition to the list of always available moves). These, along with the always available moves, are the only moves which can be used on your team in that tournament.
  • Some moves may be listed multiple times, but if a move is listed only once, it can only be used once. For example, if [Earthquake, Earthquake, Earthquake, Explosion] is part of the list, your team can use Earthquake up to three times, and Explosion once.
  • Some moves on the list may only be used as STAB attacks. Some moves may only be used as non-STAB attacks. There may be other restrictions on the use of some moves.
  • There will be a list of moves which are available in every tournament. The list consists of 16 moves, but you will only choose eight to use. You may choose from these eight moves and any of the other 40 moves when creating your team.
  • You are not required to use 24 moves, i.e. you can use a Pokemon with three or fewer moves.
  • Any items may be used.
  • Any OU Pokemon may be used.
This tournament will be held twice weekly, on Tuesdays and Saturdays. It is likely that the Saturday tournament will be moved to a different day once the Smogon Tour starts. The start time of the tournaments is to be determined based on feedback in this thread.

The Tuesday Tournament begins at 6:00pm PST. This means that signups begin at 5:30pm.

The Saturday Tournament begins at 12:00pm (noon) PST. This means that signups begin at 11:30am.

If you have trouble converting these times into your time zone, feel free to perform a google search on the topic.



The Always Available List
In each Codex Tournament, you may choose eight of these moves to use on your team. You may choose a different eight moves each time. Each move may be used only ONCE on your entire team (besides Hidden Power, which may be used twice).
  1. Cross Chop
  2. Curse
  3. Discharge
  4. Energy Ball
  5. Heat Wave
  6. Focus Punch
  7. Hidden Power*
  8. Hypnosis
  9. Ice Punch
  10. Protect
  11. Return
  12. Rest
  13. Roar
  14. Rock Slide
  15. Surf
  16. Sucker Punch
  17. Toxic
  18. Wish
Multiples of these moves will never be on the following list.

*Hidden Power may be chosen twice. If you use Hidden Power twice, it counts as two of your eight moves from this list.

This is the first Codex. Any of these moves may be used, but remember that you may only use them once if they are listed once (and twice if they are listed twice, and so on)


  1. Agility/Rock Polish
  2. Aqua Tail
  3. Baton Pass
  4. Bug Buzz
  5. Bulk Up
  6. Counter/Mirror Coat
  7. Crunch
  8. Dynamicpunch
  9. Earth Power
  10. Earthquake
  11. Earthquake
  12. Fire Blast
  13. Focus Blast
  14. Gravity
  15. Gravity
  16. Hammer Arm
  17. Heal Bell
  18. Hydro Pump
  19. Ice Beam
  20. Iron Head
  21. Light Screen
  22. Payback
  23. Psychic
  24. Recover
  25. Reflect
  26. SelfDestruct
  27. Shadow Ball
  28. Spikes/Toxic Spikes
  29. Stone Edge
  30. Substitute
  31. Swords Dance
  32. Taunt
  33. Taunt
  34. Thunder
  35. Thunder Wave
  36. Trick Room
  37. Trick Room
  38. U-turn
  39. Whirlwind
  40. Will-O-Wisp

MOVES THAT ARE NOT ON THE ALWAYS AVAILABLE LIST OR THE CODEX MAY NOT BE USED
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Here are this tournament's policies, taken almost verbatim from the LNT thread:

Signing Up:
  1. Signups will be taken in this thread. Simply post 'in' or something similar to join once signups have opened.
  2. Signups will be taken 25-30 minutes before the tournament starts in this thread.
  3. The Codex will be posted at least two days before the tournament.
  4. Most tournaments will cap at 32 players. Some may go up to 64 if enough players sign up.
  5. Signups are taken on a first come, first served basis. However, it is likely that we will need substitutes. Feel free to sign up as a substitute.
  6. If you need to drop out for whatever reason, that's fine. Just be sure to actually tell the host unless you want to make me very angry. And this should be obvious, but do not sign up if you cannot play.
Playing:
  1. Be ready to play at the start of the tournament. If you do not have a team ready to go at the start, you will be subbed out. This is a live tournament, and it will not be delayed on account of a single person. This applies to substitutes as well - have a team ready to go.
  2. Matches will be posted on the last page and in the second post of this thread. Start your match as soon as you can find your opponent.
  3. Upon the completion of your match, post the results in this thread. It is recommended that you save logs in order to avoid disputes.
  4. Do not scout your opponents. You can watch any match you like, but if a player asks you to leave then you must do so. Failure to comply with this rule will get you banned from future Codex Tournaments.
  5. Be sure to post the results of your match in this thread as soon as it finishes. Post even if I or another host was watching your match. Post even if you PM me on Shoddybattle or irc.
Rules:
  1. Standard Smogon battling rules apply (sleep, freeze, species, soul dew, self ko, OHKO, and evasion clauses on, timer on).
  2. Have good sportsmanship. Things like spamming, scouting, and being obnoxious will earn you an automatic forfeit.
  3. Even if you are playing in the Codex Tournament Series, you must follow the rules of Shoddy Battle. If you are banned during the tournament or kicked during a match, you will lose.

Points
You will be awarded points based on your best performance in either the Tuesday or Saturday tournament in a given week. This means if you get 2nd place in the Tuesday tournament and 5th-8th place in the Saturday tournament, you will be awarded points that week for getting second place. Points are awarded as follows:
  1. 1st Place - 6
  2. Second Place - 4
  3. Third-Fourth Place - 2
  4. Fifth-Eighth Place - 1

As a final note, I am always looking for more hosts. SevenDeadlySins has said that he will help, and I imagine that RB Golbat and Matty will help when they can, but if any other Shoddybattle mods want to lend a hand, send me a PM to let me know.

Thanks for reading, everyone! If you have any questions post them here.

The First Codex Tournament will take place on Tuesday, November 24

Alright well we stopped a bit short of 32 so there will be a few byes. Here are the pairings:

Round 1
  1. superbob vs Ryo
  2. Going Green vs undisput3d
  3. Class vs HSA
  4. pokeboss9 vs DCJ
  5. warnerbro24 vs Elevator Music
  6. Unreality vs ReyScarface
  7. ultimifier vs kobemvp
  8. melonhead vs goofball
  9. YTP vs brownballa55
  10. okappa vs imperfectluck.
  11. Clifford vs Arin
  12. tophway vs Sonuis
  13. Reflect Suicune vs LoveDestiny

Round 2

  1. YTP vs Ryo
  2. Arin vs Class
  3. Going Green vs Elevator Music
  4. tophway vs kobemvp
  5. DCJ vs ReyScarface
  6. LoveDestiny vs melonhead

Round 3

  1. melonhead vs Class
  2. Ryo vs tophway
  3. ReyScarface vs Elevator Music
 
The First Codex Tournament will take place on Tuesday, Nevember 24

Just in case you missed the memo.

Guys please post questions here so they can be sorted out before the tournament starts! Happy team building.
 
ultimifier said:
how will we know that opponent isnt cheating? Do we have to submit our teams to allow for this
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I think it's way to much work for Tay to check every team. You simply can make a list of what moves your opponent used (copy-paste the allowed moves into word and write a 'a' or the name of the pokemon using the move behind the move).

Is there a reason why you don't use the points of a smogon tour? I think it's one point for each battle you win and two for the finals or something similar. It would give averagley skilled players a chance to get at least some points, if they win their first battle.
 
Well this is what i mean. Lets say I throw substitute on two pokemon even though its only allowed on one. I am cheating, yet I will never be DQed because once i use sub once I will simply not use it on the other pokemon. My opponent will not suspect me of cheating, but I still will be.

How can we avoid this?

Note that I am not going to abuse this, I just used the noun I because it is the shortest
 
If you only used sub once then how did it matter anyway?

I mean I realize 'you have the option open', but reducing one of your Pokemon to three moves is a pretty big tradeoff for cheating here. Obviously this is disallowed, but I don't see it being a major problem.

That said, if you know your opponent has cheated just save the log and tell me (or whomever is hosting).
 
Dude I have no idea what you're talking about; you don't have to give me anything

Just have a team ready to go and then post in this thread when signups start (I will post in this thread, /wall on shoddy, and alert people on IRC at that time).
 
I presume we could use any pokemon who isn't an Uber? so OU, UU, NU and NFEs are allowed?

Edit: Also for clarification (though I suspect this is true) the moves like Spikes/Toxic Spikes means you can use either or, but not both right?
 
does hidden power take two of the places or one when used twice???
and we can only use the moves listed here???
 
superbob said:
what are the always available moves
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Are you serious? It is in the original post....

Just for the sake of clarity I have labelled it more obviously.

Oh and another thing for the sake of clarity:

MOVES THAT ARE NOT ON THE ALWAYS AVAILABLE LIST OR THE CODEX MAY NOT BE USED
 
TAY said:
If you only used sub once then how did it matter anyway?

I mean I realize 'you have the option open', but reducing one of your Pokemon to three moves is a pretty big tradeoff for cheating here. Obviously this is disallowed, but I don't see it being a major problem.
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While you may not be able to use Substitute on both pokémon in the same battle, where the advantage lies is that you have the option of using it on either (until you do use it, which will lock out your second pokémon from using it). If you can scout your opponent's team well enough to determine whether they'll have more trouble with, say, Sub Machamp or Sub Heatran, you can then choose to use it on the one that'll cause their opponent bigger problems. The obviously trade-off is that you lose a moveslot but it is absolutely against the rules. It's also impossible to know if anyone does this, luckily it's not some super-broken strategy anyway so who cares.

And this thing is just as gimmicky as the LNT, lol. ;[
 
Sign up

I'm in! Didn't take long to adjust team to the movelist, so I'm signing up.

Are there no STAB or non-STAB restrictions on any of the moves this time, or did I miss something?
 
Sign ups have not started yet. Please repost your 'in's once they have.

EDIT: OK it's open.
 
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