Disposable Puppets Styled Semi-Stall

So this is the team that I entered the second round of the Smogon Tournament with. It's based on two set up pokemon that can set-up on each other's switchins, Cursepert and CM Jirachi. Now that I've lost to Alakapimp, I can post this team without fear of my opponent glancing at it and counter teaming it.

Team At a Glance

roserade-f.png
242.png
jirachi.png
Spr_4h_130_m.png
479O.png
Spr_4d_260.png



roserade.png


Roserade-Focus Sash
Timid
252 Special Attack/252 Speed/6 HP
Leaf Storm
Hidden Power Ice
Sleep Powder
Toxic Spikes

Roserade starts the game off with providing the valuable toxic spikes Jirachi needs to help deal with Blissey and Swampert needs to deal with Vaporeon. Later in the game, if he's still in good health, he can switch into bulky ground and water types and reek havoc with Leaf Storm. I chose hidden power ice over hidden power fire for those annoying gliscor leads but they can also serve as a desperation Salamence, Dragonite counter.

blissey.png


Blissey-Leftovers
Bold
120 HP/252 Defense/138 Special Attack
Stealth Rock
Softboiled
Ice Beam
Seismic Toss

The best special wall in the game. She provides stealth rock and a switch into every single special attacker in the game. She also serves the purpose of luring in Heatran so that he can explode, thus freeing Jirachi of one counter.

jirachi.png


Jirachi-Leftovers
Bold
252 HP/196 Speed/62 Defense
Thunderbolt
Wish
Calm Mind
Flash Cannon

The calm mind wish Jirachi set that I'm sure most of you have heard of by now. He is part one of my sweeping duo between Jirachi and Swampert. She can switch in on most of the pokemon that stop cursepert (Latias, Vaporeon, Celebi), setup and attempt a sweep of her own, all while supporting the team in the process. Max HP is a given, 196 speed evs are used to outspeed Mamoswine and the rest were pumped into defense.

gyarados.png


Gyarados-Choice Band
Adamant
252 Attack/72 HP/186 Speed
Waterfall
Payback
Stone Edge
Earthquake

Gyarados is a very important member of my team. Why you ask? The most common switchins to Gyarados are:

Rotom-A
Vaporeon
Celebi
Latias
Starmie

Every single one of these pokemon stop Jirachi and Swampert's sweep. Rotom-A can tripple Jirachi with trick and the rest can't be touched by cursepert's waterrfall. Gyarados's job is to lure them out and to hit them with a ton of damage. At the start of the match, I usually payback hoping to catch Rotom-A and Latias as they seem to be everywhere.

rotomheat.png


Rotom-H-Choice Scarf
Bold
252 HP/108 Speed/150 Defense
Thunderbolt
Trick
Will-O-Wisp
Shadow Ball

Defensive Choice Scarf Rotom set. He is my main answers to Lucario, Scizor and Gyarados. When my opponent sees will-o-wisp, they automatically assume it's not a choice scarf user and I can use this to surprise them later. Trick is also my answer to endgame pokemon such as Crocune, Snorlax and opposing Cursepert, Cursetar.

swampert.png


Swampert-Leftovers
Careful
240 HP/252 Special Defense/18 Defense
Waterfall
Curse
Rest
Sleep Talk

Part 2 of my sweeping crew. Cursepert is my main answer to Tyranitar and Heatran. He can set up and easily sweep unprepared teams. Takes special hits very well and once I get a few curses up, this thing is not going to die easily.

So there's my team. One change I am already contemplating is replacing Blissey with Latias to help me take on Infernape better, then replace Roserade with a Gliscor lead and then add Forretress or Tentacruel somewhere so I can still have toxic spikes. I don't know if these changes will work out though so that's why I'm here.

All suggestions will be considered so I am pretty much open to anything. Thoughts?
 
Threat List (Taken from Megan Fox's thread where he took it from Team Sugarless Girl)

dpiconani212.gif
Scizor:
-SD Varient: Rotom-H can will-o-wisp it, making it essentially useless and Gyarados can take one of its hits and hit back with Choice Banded Waterfall.
-CB Variant: Handled same way as SD varient just more easily.
dpiconani373.gif
Salamence:
-MixMence: Blissey sort of deals with it (It still falls to Draco Meteor + Outrage but then Jirachi can set up). Rotom-H can revenge kill it provided it still has its scarf and Salamence is at a low enough health. Roserade can revenge kill varients that don't use a lot of speed or a +speed nature as rare as those are
-DDMence: Very scary. Gyarados can weaken it with Intimidate and can lure an Outrage to Jirachi but still very much a threat
-SpecsMence: Blissey stops it from doing anything.
-CBMence: Pretty much the same as DDmence

dpiconani485.gif
Heatran:
-Lead Shuca/SashTran: Put it to sleep with Roserade and set up toxic spikes. Later in the game Swampert and Blissey can stop it/force it to earthquake, thus opening up a Jirachi sweep
-ScarfTran: Same as Lead Tran minus the Roserade putting it to sleep part.
-SpecsTran: Swampert can't take repeated hits from this thing so I'm forced to go to Blissey.
-LO Tran: Blissey can wall it/lure in the explosion

dpiconani130.gif
Gyarados:
-Leftovers DD: Rotom-H handles it very well. Jirachi can also kill it with thunderbolt provided it hasn't set up. Gyarados can hit it for a very strong stone edge
-Life Orb DD: Rotom-H is the main check to this but Jirachi can take a Eq if needed
-Restalk: Rotom-H can hit it hard.
-Thunder Wave or Substitute: Same as above

Ani479OMS.png
Rotom-A:
-Scarf: Blissey completely walls it. Just have to watch out for Trick.
-Restalk/Defensive: Set-up bait for Swampert
-SubCharge Beam: Blissey is specifically EVd to break its sub with Ice beam so it shouldn't be too much of a threat. I can also trick it with Rotom-H and Swampert can kind of deal with it.
dpiconani380.gif
Latias:
-Specs: Switch to Blissey, just watch out for Trick
-Scarf: See above.
-LO Sweeper: Blissey walls it and wares it down due to Life Orb recoil
-CM Latias:Jirachi can set up on Mono dragon varients. Blissey is always a safe switchin
dpiconani248.gif
Tyranitar:
-CBTar: Switchi in Swampert
-DDTar: Switch in Swampert
-BOAH Variants: Switch in Swampert
-CurseTar: Switch in Rotom to Trick, hoping to not get hit with payback. Otherwise switch to Swampert.
dpiconani376.gif
Metagross:
-CBGross: Rotom-H is a good switchin. Gyarados is a decent switchin as well
-MixGross: Rotom-H comes in on HP Fire, Meteor Mash, or Grass Knot. Gyarados can come in relatively unscathed as well.

dpiconani448.gif
Lucario:
SD: Rotom-H and Gyarados can deal with it
-Specs: Gyarados is probably the best switchin
dpiconani392.gif
Infernape:
MixApe: Very, Very threatening. My only hope at beating it is hoping Gyarados has enough HP to survive Grass Knot or revenging it with Rotom-H
-Physical Ape: Gyarados comes in on anthing except Stone Edge/Thunderpunch and kills it. Rotom-Ape can revenge
-ScarfApe: Just predict it and play around it.

dpiconani385.gif
Jirachi:
-Scarf Jirachi: I initially switchin Rotom-H to scout for Trick. If it doesn't have Trick, Swampert walks all over it
-Expert Belt Jirachi: Rotom-H does pretty well
-CM Jirachi: Pretty troublesome, Blissey has to hope it doesn't get screwed by Flash Cannon hax
-Support Jirachi: Setup fodder for Swampert
dpiconani094.gif
Gengar:
-LO Gengar: Switchin Blissey
-ScarfGengar: Switchin Blissey
-SubGengar: Swampert and Jirachi can both take hits pretty well and set up.
dpiconani260.gif
Swampert:
-Standard Mixpert-Setup bait for Swampert
-CBPert: Gyarados is a good switchin but must watch out for stone edge
-Cursepert: Rotom-H tricks it. Jirachi can beat non Eq varients

dpiconani242.gif
Blissey:
-WishBliss: Set-up bait for Swampert
-Non-wish Bliss: Same as above

dpiconani482.gif
Azelf:
-Lead Azelf: Leaf Storm with Roserade, then switch to Rotom-H for the explosion
-NP Azelf: Blissey but must be careful of explosion
-Scarf same as above


dpiconani121.gif
Starmie:
-LO Starmie: Switchin Blissey to wear it down
-Rapid Spinner: Rotom-H to block rapid spin and hit very hard
-Choice Starmie: Blissey handles it pretty well just need to watch out for Trick


dpiconani472.gif
Gliscor:
-SD Gliscor:Swampert and Gyarados can beat
-Stall Gliscor: See above
-BP Gliscor: BP teams fail...so inconsistent. Anyways, i cant really do anything to stop this guy....:/ Just hope Rotom outspeeds the inevitable Meta switch in. Not worthy of being called a threat so i really know like just one guy thats actually good who uses chain. People who are good tend to not use chain so i havnt cpme across it in the ladder

dpiconani134.gif
Vaporeon:
-WishProtect Vaporeon: Setup fodder for Jirachi. Rotom-H also has Tbolt
-SpecsVaporeon: Haven't faced one

dpiconani462.gif
Magnezone:
-Steel Killer-Send in Blissey to lure in the explosion. Jirachi just lost a counter to it
-Scarf: Set-up bait for Swampert if it doesn't explode or have HP Grass
-Life Orb Variant: See above
dpiconani145.gif
Zapdos:
-Defensive: Swampert bait. Roar is annoying though
-Offensive: Same as above just need to watch out for HP Grass. Blissey completey walls it
-Choiced: Blissey completely walls it

dpiconani068.gif
Machamp:
-ResTalk:Rotom-H can trick/Will-O-Wisp it
-Substitute: Break the sub with Gliscor, then use Psychic from Jirachi for the KO. Once again, Skamory can also use BB if necessary.


dpiconani230.gif
Kingdra:
-DD Kingdra: Jirachi beats Kingdra 1 vs 1, Rotom can trick a scarf.
-Rain Dance Mix: Really threatening, If it's special, I go to Blissey but if it's physical it's usually gg

dpiconani286.gif
Breloom:
-SubPuncher: I absorb the sleep with swampert and send in Rotom to shadow ball it to death. Very annoying
-ScarfLoom: If something is already asleep, Rotom-H and even Roserade can stand a chance.
dpiconani227.gif
Skarmory:
-Spiker: Jirachi bait
dpiconani437.gif
Bronzong:
-Standard Leftovers / Light Clay: Put it to sleep with Roserade, switch in Rotom-H to trick it or set up on it with Swampert
-CMZong: Never seen one before....Wall it with Blissey I guess
-Trick: Rotom-H absorbs the trick effeicently.
dpiconani251.gif
Celebi:
-Defensive: Gyarados can hit it on the switchin, toxic spikes helps Blissey wall it easier
-CM / CM Pass: Trick with Rotom-H or wall it with Blissey
-SD Pass: Same as CM Pass.
-Choice: Jirachi is the safest bet to take the Leaf Storm

dpiconani330.gif
Flygon:
-Scarf: Rotom-H can take his hits pretty well
-Band: Same as above although more caution is taken as it hits harder.
-Roost LO/Stall: Swampert bait

dpiconani245.gif
Suicune:
-Offensive CMer: Trick scarf with Rotom or start setting up with Jirachi since i win bar a crit.
-ResTalk: Same as above
-Roar: Trick scarf

dpiconani135.gif
Jolteon:
-Specs: Blissey walls it
-Substitute: Blissey walls it and breaks its substitute
-Charge Beam: Blissey walls it

dpiconani395.gif
Empoleon:
-Lead: Put to sleep with Roserade and set up toxic spikes
-AgilityPetaya: Setup fodder for Jirachi, Rotom-H can check on Modest ones as well
-AgilityLife Orb: Ive never battled one before, but it looks like it could be a problem...
-Specs: Blissey walls it
-SD: Rotom-H and Jirachi can beat this guy
dpiconani205.gif
Forretress: Setup bait for Swampert bar explosion
dpiconani466.gif
Electivire: Rotom-H can Trick or damage it with Shadow Ball.


dpiconani468.gif
Togekiss: Rotom's tbolt, Setup fodder for Jirachi

dpiconani461.gif
Weavile: Jirachi, and Rotom-H can beat this. Setup bait for Swampert

dpiconani142.gif
Aerodactyl:
Lead:Leaf Storm with Roserade or switch to Swampert to kill it with waterfall
dpiconani473.gif
Mamoswine: Jirachi outspeeds and KOs with Flash Cannon. Swampert also KOs and absorbs its hits
dpiconani143.gif
Snorlax: Tricking the scarf is my best bet. If not, Jirachi after a couple CM's

dpiconani477.gif
Dusknoir: Setup bait for Swampert
dpiconani235.gif
Smeargle: Since its almost always a lead, put it to sleep with Roserade and set up Toxic Spikes
dpiconani291.gif
Ninjask: Put it to sleep with Roserade since I've never seen a non-lead one
dpiconani073.gif
Tentacruel: Setup fodder for Jirachi, tbolt from rotom does a decent amount as well

dpiconani149.gif
Dragonite: Pretty much the same stuff as salamence

dpiconani450.gif
Hippowdon: Gyarados and Swampert to hit it hard
dpiconani407.gif
Roserade: It usually comes down to a speed tie for the sleep powder. I outspeed HP Fire ones and can dent with HP Ice

dpiconani474.gif
Porygon-Z: Blissey walls it
dpiconani488.gif
Cresselia: Switch to jirachi and start setting up. Rotom can shadowball/trick as well.
dpiconani214.gif
Heracross: Gyarados can come in on anything except stone edge and force it out/kill it

dpiconani197.gif
Umbreon: Swampert/Jirachi set up bait
dpiconani065.gif
Alakazam: Jirachi can setup on it, or a scarf shadowball from rotom. Blissey also walls it
 
Hi,

I'm not that accustomed to rating semi-stall teams, but here goes.

First, I think you should consider the standard Cleric set over your set on Blissey, because as a semi-stall team you'll need to survive as long as possible. Status really hurts pokemon like Cursepert who has no reliable form of recovery, and Cleric Blissey can get rid of all status on the team in an instant. It still provides a formidable special wall.

Blissey @ Leftovers
24 HP / 252 Def / 232 SpD
Calm Nature
~ Aromatherapy
~ Softboiled
~ Seismic Toss / Flamethower
~ Thunder Wave / Toxic

Seismic Toss to deal consistent damage; I don't see that big of a weakness to Salamence or Latias so I'd stick with Seismic Toss. You also have Roserade with HP Ice to deal with Dragons for the most part. For the last slot I'd definitely go with Thunder Wave; you do have a weakness to DD Gyara and DD Mence to an extent, and limiting their speed will greatly aid in revenge killing it.

Next, I'm confused to why you're using Choice Band Gyarados. I believe that DD Gyara counters all those pokemon you listed, except for maybe Celebi and Latias. Even those two are easily walled by Blissey. I'd suggest you try out the Offensive DD Gyarados set, found here or Bulky DD Gyara if you feel like you need more bulk (and feel like stopping Celebi)

I'm not sure why you're putting so many EVs in Rotom-H's HP and Defense, when what it mainly needs is Special Attack and Speed. Without any SpA or Spe EVs, you'll never be revenging anything without them killing you first, or you'll do some pretty lame damage. And you're still easy Pursuit bait once you're locked into the wrong move. Go with 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe and a Modest nature.

gl with the team.
 
Back
Top