Raining Ubers

Well, I have done RMTs for all sorts of tiers; however, Ubers was the only one in where I did not feature my very first team.

Ironically, Ubers is also the tier where I do not readily use my first team, but oh well. I credit that to the fact that it later split into two halves, and also that it is not exactly "Generic," but themed, in this case, Rain.

The original team consisted of Defense Deoxys, Darkrai, Kyogre, Manaphy, Kingdra, and Bronzong, three days after I first touched Shoddy and immediately began building on improving my gameplay (I wasn't exactly a true noob, I had some experience in the field, so it wasn't hard for me to catch on.) This was to uphold my goal at the time to construct "generic" teams in all tiers.
A similar team was made in a few hours, Pikachu slotted over Kingdra. Pikachu never did anything, and I removed it after Grass Knot did 75% to Groudon. It never lost its three games, however.

My first Uber team was the first after I molded the skeleton of my first, about three days later. Three days LATER, I was told to run Palkia, so out went Darkrai. January 3, 2010, I scavenged through the Recycle Bin to employ another version, this time utilizing Electivire and Darkrai over Kingdra and Bronzong (I wanted to establish a way to capitalize on Kyogre's Thunder problem).

If it seems inconsistent, I don't blame you, I never was much good at history. The main point is, I got two sister teams for you today:

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Light Clay
Pressure
252 HP/80 Def/176 Special Def
Impish (+Def, -Special Attack)
Stealth Rock
Light Screen
Reflect
Spikes

Just threw together a "run-of-the-mill" lead here. Got some hazards going on, dual screens...and gets mangled by Taunt. However, Deoxys offers very sturdy power in what it has to do. Taunts are generally easy to see coming, which, in the end, just means a free switch.

Dive Ball set-Ripple, OCEANLORD: Bringer of the Acid Rain!
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Choice Scarf
Drizzle
4 HP/252 Speed/252 Special Attack
Modest (+Special Attack, -Attack)
Water Spout
Thunder
Surf
Ice Beam

The infamous ScarfOgre, capable of busting things open with Water Spout... I'm actually running no Rapid Spin nor Wish, so any damage done here is as good as permanent. Still, I expect Kyogre to be switched in as soon as possible and to stay in as long as possible. Scarf is a flexible yet highly offensive set, but in the end, I really do not care as long as it is Raining.

Dive Ball set-Bubble, AQUAMARINE: Robes of Sapphire!
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Leftovers
Hydration
212 HP/216 Speed/252 Special Attack
Timid (+Speed, -Attack)
Calm Mind
Surf
Rest
Grass Knot on Kingdra/Bronzong team
Ice Beam on Darkrai/Electivire team

Another famed hard Water hitter, this one focuses on the durability of Hydration-spam and growing stability from Calm Mind rather than the power of Water Spout mixed with Scarf. As Special Def increases, Manaphy's Special Attack steadily grows as well.
Grass Knot and Ice Beam were decided upon based on the coverage provided of the two different team slots, obviously.

Repeat Ball set-Disrupt, SPACEARCEUS: Rewinder of the Mind!
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Lustrous Orb
Pressure
252 Attack/252 Speed/4 Special Attack
Hasty (+Speed, -Def)
Spacial Rend
Aqua Tail
Aura Sphere
Outrage

As I have learned, Palkia fits into Rain teams very comfortably. However, diversity would be nice as well. I do not know if my EVs are very dubious, but I am focusing on my most powerful consistent moves, from the physical side. Spacial Rend and Aura Sphere are for backup, also extra coverage if necessary.
Alternatively, on the Darkrai/Electivire team, a Choice Scarf Palkia is run instead, armed with many aggressive moves like Kyogre:

4 HP/252 Special Attack/252 Speed
Pressure
Timid (+Speed, -Attack)
Fire Blast
Spacial Rend
Thunder
Hydro Pump

Dive Ball set-Whirl, OCEANSTORM: Majestic Shine!


Life Orb
Swift Swim
16 Attack/252 Special Atk/240 Special Def
Hasty (+Speed, -Def)
Waterfall
Outrage
Draco Meteor
Surf

Name previously SEADRAGON. This set was formerly Scarf with Lonely 252 EVs in both Attack and Special Attack (Dragon Pulse was also ran over Draco Meteor and Hidden Fighting Power over Surf).

With the new changes, Kingdra is no longer inhibited by Choice and now has access to abuse stronger moves. I am unsure if the changes were satisfactory, however.

I still outrun things up to Timid Scarf Skymin. I still fail to Scarf Deoxys and Mewtwo, but I do not know if that is a prominient problem.

Finally, I fail to 2HKO either max Def Blissey or max HP Kyogre (Waterfall and Outrage should be at the same power in Rain). However, I am still able to secure a 2HKO on Tyranitar in the Sand by using Surf.

Premier Ball set-Echo, DOTAKUDON: Hollow Note!
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Leftovers
Levitate
252 HP/96 Attack/8 Def/152 Special Def
Relaxed (+Def, -Speed)
Explosion
Gyro Ball
Hypnosis
Toxic

Bronzong just seemed like an ideal wall (strengthed from the fact it is difficult to hurt hard thanks to the Type, Ability, and Rain support, along with generic high Stats, coupled with DualScreens...). Spam Sleep, then spam some Poison (my only way of hurting Shedinja outside of Deoxys). Gyro Ball serves as an extremely powerful move in this sort of environment, with Explosion the final lick.

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Dusk Ball set-Disorder, KURAICURSE: Misfortune Teller!
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Life Orb
Bad Dreams
4 HP/252 Speed/252 Special Attack
Timid (+Speed, -Attack)
Dark Void
Dark Pulse
Ice Beam
Thunder

Yeah, so I'm identifying it with a Dusk Ball. Not very creative, but hey, the Dusk Ball animation suits Darkrai best than any other Ball.
Anyways, Dark Void throws out a swift Sleep, the worst Status one can be afflicted with. Freeze edges out over Sleep in certain situations, and Darkrai really CAN inflict a Freeze. However, Paralysis is much more easily spammed. That is, assuming I don't outright Faint the targets, I haven't even begun to touch on the type coverage Darkrai gets.
And yeah, I guess Dark Void can Flinch, as well. All in all a solid slot.

Poké Ball set-Supply, BATTERYSOCKET: Flash Generator!


Choice Scarf
Motor Drive
240 Attack/120 Speed/150 Special Attack
Lonely (+Attack, -Def)
Ice Punch
Thunder
Signal Beam
Cross Chop

Just sort of compiled this set. I don't know what I was thinking at the time concerning EVs, but she has proven herself rather worthy. The moves all provide a healthy coverage, especially with spamming Thunder alongside Darkrai for a Paralysis fest. Choice Scarf + Motor Drive seems redundant, especially with the 124 Speed EVs. However, Motor Drive boosts are not always guaranteed, and when it does, I will be able to outspeed incredibly fast Scarfers, such as Sky Shaymin, Mewtwo, Garchomp, Groudon after a Rock Polish (after taking a ThunderPunch, of course). It should be noted that without full Speeds EVs, this Electivire still fails to Scarf Groudon/Kyogre/Dialga at 252 EVs.

Threats
Shedinja outright walls unprepared Uber teams. As for this team, aside from my Deoxys' hazards (no Shedinja goes without Rapid Spin, and seeing as I don't carry a Ghost, those Rapid Spins will have a high chance of going off.

Other than that, Bronzong can use Toxic and Darkrai can use Dark Void (Dark Pulse if Void is not available). Shedinja still has potential to wreak havoc, but it will not be able to find itself to switch to safety as much due to the pure chaos Bronzong/Darkrai can bring.

Also, the team is rather suspectible to Thunder Wave and/or Scizor spamming Choice Band U-turn (without Paralysis, it will be hard for Scizor to get a hit in under most circumstances).

Without Kingdra or Bronzong, I am also exposed to Scarfed Dragons.
Of course, Darkrai resembles Bronzong and Electivire to Kingdra. However, Kingdra/Bronzong are more extremes in their fields, while Darkrai/Electivire are more balanced. I do not favor one over the other (the inferior one would suffer deletion otherwise, of course). Speaking of Dragons, I have small concerns towards Bulk Up Dialga.

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Dude, you are unbelievably weak to <Insert Base 150 Special Attacker wtih Thunder here>. Something like Scarf Dialga absolutely rapes your team with Scarfed Thunder, and since Electivire carries a Scarf (WHY??), he's not going to be able take advantage of this either. If you want something to absorb Electric attacks, use SD Chomp or something (Please replace Electivire if you're planning on using him, he's bad enough in OU as he is, don't make him suck even more by putting him in Ubers):

Garchomp @ Haban Berry/Life Orb
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Nature: Jolly
-Swords Dance
-Outrage
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge/Dragon Claw

Also, I really don't see the point of having Kingdra and Palkia on the same team. Sure, they can "break down" each other's counters, but you also need to consider that they have the same weaknesses get swept together by stuff like DD Ray (Since Palkia is not Scarfed). A Steel type helps with your Dragon weakness (Bronzong is setup fodder, don't bother). Hate it if you will, but a CB Scizor helps this team a lot by checking Rayquaza (Replace it with Kingdra, since Palkia still allows you to switch into Kyogre relatively safely):

Scizor @ Choice Band
Ability: Technician
EVs: 200 HP/56 Atk/252 SpD
Nature: Adamant
-Bullet Punch
-U-Turn
-Pursuit
-Superpower

However, I will congratulate you on using Manaphy. He's so underrated. However, to be frank, the standard Tail Glow set sucks. You'll get OHKO'd by any kind of Thunder that flies at you. I suggest you change the set to this:

Manaphy @ Leftovers
Ability: Hydration
EVs: 252 HP/176 Spd/80 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Surf
- Rest
- Ice Beam
- Calm Mind

After a Calm Mind, Scarfed Thunder from Kyogre and friends fail to 2HKO you, so you can just keep boosting up while Resting. Grass Knot is pretty much only for Kyogre, who is taken care off after you get to +3 or +4 (Which is not hard to get to), therefore Ice Beam is the better choice.

Hope I helped. Good luck.

Sure, I'll adopt that CM Manaphy right away. I probably am not THAT much of a rush to double Special Attack...I think (I won't have TOO less Special Attack with only 80 EVs, though, will I?).

Electivire/Bronzong can take an Electric hit, also Deoxys if it's still around.

I'm not too keen on replacing Electivire; you didn't present a convincing enough argument. She's nice on Speed, mixed, and also Electric STAB. However, re-looking it over, I am noticing it's not very good defensively...to the team as a whole, aside from Electric immunity. The Scarf just edges out over Darkrai and Shaymin, and of course, with Speed, edging out is all you need. Rest of EVs go into mixing. Motor Drive is not relied on, but is pleasurable.

I feel as if Kingdra and Bronzong are needed to resist Dragons (Bronzong still has troubles with Bulk Up Palkia, Bulk Up Dialga even more, but I don't think Scizor could fend them off any better).

I doubt Rayquaza could ever find a chance to set up a Dragon Dance or Swords Dance, and Kingdra's not getting outran anytime soon (Swift Swim in a sense makes it feel like a boost to both offensive Stats, but I AM considering swapping the Hidden Power). In this sense, the only way Kingdra would start to be feared is from ExtremeSpeed.
But I could always switch.

Ray outspeeds Scarf Kingdra after a DD due to Air Lock blocking Swift Swim, and SD ones would just OHKO with Extremespeed anyway (Although the Scarf would be a nice surprise factor first time).

There are many problems surrounding Electivire, and especially true in Ubers. Firstly, it is very frail, anything that isn't an Electric attack would kill it (The only he resists, Flying, nails him very hard too, seeing as the only Flying attack you'll see commonly in Ubers is Brave Bird from Ho-oh, and that does 74.23% - 87.29% to it, and a Scarfed Thunder would only do about 55% in return). If you are just after an Electric immunity, Garchomp and others do this much better. Secondly, E-Vire isn't that quick, seeing as stuff like Deoxys-S still outspeeds him with a Scarf (Not to mention DD Ray speed-ties with him after a boost at worst). Thirdly, E-Vire hits like a girl, base 95 Special Attack without any boosts isn't going to get you very far in Ubers, and as demonstrated already, he does only about 55% to standard Ho-oh with a Super effective 120 Base Powered STAB attack.

All in all, I don't think Rayquaza poses a menancing enough threat.

I think that Motor Drive is good enough for defensive capabilities.

As long as Electivire can 2HKO stuff, I have no concerns. P.S. Electivire is a girl. Besides, those moves all have scary side-effects.

Comparing Speed Deoxys being able to outrun Scarfers isn't a good analysis. And that Pokemon does little to bother me, even with Life Orb.

Some worrying issues here. From my experience in ubers rain teams are a bit touch and go. They're good if used properly and from this I mean you really need support to the pokemon you have there for offensive purposes utilizing the rain ie Kingdra and Palkia. Ok so first off the bat I really wouldn't recommend a defensive, bulky leads in ubers there's so much risk of just a mewtwo coming in with Trick, Taunt or Darkrai with Dark Void and again Trick and Taunt and Deoxys-S (Speed) Coming in with Taunt and being able to lay down some Entry Hazards. After a Taunt or a Trick this renders Deoxys-D useless and TBH it's anyway one of the worst walls in ubers due to its lack luster movepool and horrific HP. If you want to keep your Entry Hazards start to the match I would recommend this Lead

Deoxys-S @ Lum Berry/Focus Sash
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Speed
Nature: Jolly
~ Stealth Rocks
~ Spikes
~ Taunt
~ Extremespeed / Superpower / Shadow Ball (If Shadow Ball change Nature to Timid)

Standard Deoxys-S Lead Class. Extremespeed for other Deoxys-S Leads and Scarf Leads. Superpower for its sheer power and Shadow Ball for Mewtwo and Other Deoxys Variant Leads Super Effective.

Ok Next, Ogre is clearly your only source of Rain which is not ideal but it can be dealt with. With Ogre KO'ed tbh your team is much flawed and left defenceless if a Groudon or even Rayquaza comes in so your Choice set, mainly offensive needs some consideration on the defensive side. I recommend the CM+SUB set up. It gives a massive offensive boost arguably the most offensive Kyogre setup due to its incredible Sp Atk Stat getting additional boosts but also introduces a bit of bulkiness utilizing Kyogres respectable HP stat.

Kyogre @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 Spe
Nature: Modest
~ Substitute
~ Calm Mind
~ Surf
~ Ice Beam/ Thunder

252HP EVs give the magic number of 101HP Subs enough for Blissey to be unable to break them with S-Toss. Simple enough concept come in on something afraid of Kyogre Sub Up and CM up. "If you opt for Ice Beam in the last slot, Kyogre will be unable to break through opposing Kyogre. Because of this, Latias can be a good teammate for Substitute Kyogre. Latias can easily switch into an opposing Kyogre's Thunder, and either force it out with the threat of Grass Knot or Thunder, or use Calm Mind to set up on Kyogre. In a similar manner, a specially defensive Bulk Up Dialga can switch into a Choiced Kyogre's Thunder and set up on it. If Substitute Kyogre uses Thunder over Ice Beam, Kyogre will have even more trouble with Latias and Latios then usual, so Choice Band Tyranitar and Choice Band Scizor with heavy Special Defense investment make good partners. Like the last set, Kyogre will greatly benefit from Wobbuffet's support, as Wobbuffet can use Encore to help Kyogre set up a Substitute." Off Smogons Dex Pretty much Sums up what the crucial Ice Beam or Thunder does. Surf Obviously for Rain boost and STAB.


Kingdra a formidable pokemon in Ubers. Ok now this Kingdra is seriously flawed and almost useless in your team due to the simple fact it has a scarf. Now the point of using Kingdra in ubers is to use its Speed in the Rain and Poweful movepool (SE Against most Ubers ie Dragons: Latias, Latios, Garchomp, Rayquaza etc) and Unique Typing (Ice 1x) to it's advantage and putting on a scarf hinders it severely as why do you need more speed? A Kingdra in Rain can outspeed almost everything in Ubers even with scarfes on Palkia, Dialga, Latias, Latios No problems. So this is a much better Kingdra and if you change anything on your team this MUST be it.

Kingdra @ Life Orb
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 36 SpA / 220 Spe
Nature: Lonely
~ Dragon Dance
~ Waterfall
~ Outrage
~ Yawn/Draco Meteor

This sets EV's are special as in rain Kingdra will be able to outspeed Positive Nature Base 110 Speed +1 Pokemon meaning you will outspeed DD Quaza, Choiced Chomp, Latios and Latias. This set utilizes Kingdra's STABs and Yawn is there to scare Walls off. Perfect Sweeping Set. If you use Yawn put EV's from Sp Atk into HP if you use Draco M then keep the EV spread as it is. Phew There's still some major flaws like Vire in there???? Also Darkrai's set looks bad. But Honestly its got the foundations for a solid team. Reply if you would like me to fix up the rest but for now that's enough.

Good Luck With the Team :) Have fun!!

I dunno, the Electivire and Darkrai has never made me really disappointed. And thus far, I haven't been met with an appropiate argument that Electivire should be removed; all I'm getting is, "It sucks." That doesn't go very far in RMT reviews.

I'm no noob to Ubers, so I happen to be very highly aware of the abundance of Speed Deoxys leads. I prefer the bulky one, thank you. Of course my Deoxys loses to other Speed Deoxys, but I'm just grateful Speed Deoxys has no Shadow Tag.

Speaking of which, I'm really not sure what to do with Kyogre's moveset, other than I have to have one. So I just gave it its most diverse destructive set and worked from there. It works nicely.

A Scarf + Swift Swim grants me to forgo Speed EVs entirely (I could run a 0 Speed IV and make no difference). This, in turn, allows me to go full power (barring Nature, which is biased towards one, still good) on both Attacking genres. My only real concern is whether or not Hidden Power be replaced with Draco Meteor, but I think Hidden Power was place there for a consistent attack on Dialga. Main point is that Kingdra stays, he has always made me proud this team.

I mean if your team works keep it but from what it looks like from here and if you were to play an experienced player your team would get annialated i'm sorry if i am being harsh. Please consider those changes as kingdra has enough speed and those EVs are not going to make a difference when a Palkia, Kyogre, Lati@s or Even Dialga comes in on a water move to absolutely wall you and set up. I don't understand why you are taking away basically everything away that makes Kingdra viable in ubers it's good movepool is hindered by your scarf, speed still there but to absolutely no use due to it's again 1 move. It's basically a failure of a revenge killer to put it bluntly.

Vire? Ok I'll tell you what's wrong with it. What does it do? What is it's objective in a team? Yes it outspeeds pokemon after a thunder attack but how many oppertunites are you going to get to come in on an electric attack? Hmm not many cause people don't carry thunder around like a set move they may have a 1 or 2 to take out Kyogre but what after that? And even if you do get that boost what do you intend on using it to?

Example 1:

Your stuck on a move say Signal Beam, Dialga to come in you switch Dialga gets a free Draco Meteor on the switch Bronzong, it would take a hefty chunk I can tell you that even with the resist more than 50%. From a STAB 140 Move coming from one of the highest Sp Atk stats in the game any of your other pokemon are dead.

Example 2:

Your stuck on Thunder in rain you think great 100% accuracy, +2 speed and STAB great :). Latias/Latios comes in Soul Dew+110/130 base Sp.Def and Resistance = Dead Vire if your stupid enough to keep it in or a STAB Dragon Pulse, Meteor etc on your next pokemon with Soul Dew. Hmm, Bad especially if you think Bronzong will wall it cause most carry some fire move for scizor, zong etc. Don't get me started on what would happen with Chomp lol Outrage + STAB and a 130 i think Base stat bye half your team.

That's the problem with scarves in ubers if you know that pokemon isn't SOLELY a revenge killer or late sweeper forget it. Evire and Kingdra are in no mans land and on this team are worthless against a good player.

I happen to be very highly aware of the abundance of Speed Deoxys leads. I prefer the bulky one, thank you. Of course my Deoxys loses to other Speed Deoxys, but I'm just grateful Speed Deoxys has no Shadow Tag.'

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Oh speed Deoxys isn't the only problem my friend, Darkrai, Mewtwo and Ogre the most used leads along with Deoxys-S all pose a problem for you and switching? What do you gain nothing while your opponent puts up entry hazards. It's useless, please bulky??? Do you know what it's base HP stat is right? Cause that's why it's not used, its got the Def and Sp Def but it has not got the HP to back it up.

No noob to ubers well then why put a lead that will lose to all the other popular leads in the metagame? For kicks or gimmicks? Carry a pokemon with the potential to sweep and attach a scarf? A pokemon barely in OU which will get walled due to Scarf.

I know it may seem harsh but please I urge you to change your team. It's honestly so flawed. I only want to see you win.

A Scarf + Swift Swim grants me to forgo Speed EVs entirely (I could run a 0 Speed IV and make no difference). This, in turn, allows me to go full power (barring Nature, which is biased towards one, still good) on both Attacking genres. My only real concern is whether or not Hidden Power be replaced with Draco Meteor, but I think Hidden Power was place there for a consistent attack on Dialga. Main point is that Kingdra stays, he has always made me proud this team.

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Yeah but there is one problem: Swift Swimmers hate not being able to switch moves while attacking, and as Revolution said, your fast enough without scarf to easily out speed a ton. Same thing with Electrvire but even worse. You seem to be too caught up with outspeeding everything to see that having the most speed doesn't mean shit when you fail to KO and then get KO'ed yourself. Once Your Entry Hazards are blown away and Bronzong/ Darkrai is dead, your walled by Shedinja which is rediclous


Movesets: Why do you even have HP Fighting on Kingdra when all your other attacks hurt your target more? Signal beam is usless on Vire when pretty much all the targets are also hit harder by any of his other moves.


All in all, your team is bad. Your focusing way too much on outspeeding and not in trying to actually hurt the oppoent enough.

Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking with Kingdra's Hidden Power and Electivire's Signal Beam. I don't want to change them without specific permission, however.

Shedinja isn't used much. Even then, Bronzong/Darkrai is not that hard to take out. Also, Palkia utilizes Fire Blast that same team as Darkrai.

What you say is true. However, Kingdra is either using moves that cannot be spammed (Outrage, Draco Meteor) and will have to switch anyways, or moves that can be easily spammed (Waterfall, Dragon Pulse), allowing me to stay in, while maxing out both offensive Stats.

Actually, this team rarely loses. Why, exactly, I'm not quite sure. Anyways, I prefer more specific advice.

EDIT:

BTW, Electivire is not on the same team with Bronzong.

I really am not relying on Motor Drive. In scenarios such as Lati@s, I have no intention of switching. I'd throw out a Thunder and hope for 30% Paralysis.

If I intended to have Deoxys to wall, I'd use Recover, and probably remove it from lead position. It has just enough to live to do everything it's intended for.

I never feel hindered whenever I use my ScarfKingdra. It's the fastest set Kingdra can run, and doesn't even need Speed EVs, allowing me to max out both... Anyways, Waterfall is a filler move against things such as Bronzong; Dragon attacks are easily spammed.
Anyways, the move locking does not cause me any problems. What, should I use Choice Specs? I don't feel like using Dragon Dance...should I?

As for opposing Taunt leads, I can see a Taunt and just switch.

What I am saying is that I'm not afraid to be using Defensive Deoxys. I have no concern for Speed whatsoever. I am always 100% serious in my decisions (even with that Mega Kick Togekiss on one team...).
With that end, I have no intention of changing the Pokemon themselves (yet), though their sets I'm not as lenient on. I do not mind at all of Kingdra's or Electivire's usage, and I am indifferent to their OU usage. I guess what I am trying to say is that in the end, I do not want a team with:
Speed Deoxys, Palkia, Kyogre, Scizor, Kingdra, Mewtwo.

Sure, it's certainly more than effective, but I fully believe the same or surpassed results may be achieved with what I have concieved. Something such as my ScarfDra and Electivire are more than capable and are unique in their own rights. I know Electivire is fail defensively. Don't really care. Though I am interested in removing their Scarves.

One more thing, I usually won't switch defensively on this team.

Something is very wrong here...

PhilosophicalPsychologica said:

BTW, Electivire is not on the same team with Bronzong.

I really am not relying on Motor Drive. In scenarios such as Lati@s, I have no intention of switching. I'd throw out a Thunder and hope for 30% Paralysis.

If I intended to have Deoxys to wall, I'd use Recover, and probably remove it from lead position. It has just enough to live to do everything it's intended for.

I never feel hindered whenever I use my ScarfKingdra. It's the fastest set Kingdra can run, and doesn't even need Speed EVs, allowing me to max out both... Anyways, Waterfall is a filler move against things such as Bronzong; Dragon attacks are easily spammed.
Anyways, the move locking does not cause me any problems. What, should I use Choice Specs? I don't feel like using Dragon Dance...should I?

As for opposing Taunt leads, I can see a Taunt and just switch.

What I am saying is that I'm not afraid to be using Defensive Deoxys. I have no concern for Speed whatsoever. I am always 100% serious in my decisions (even with that Mega Kick Togekiss on one team...).
With that end, I have no intention of changing the Pokemon themselves (yet), though their sets I'm not as lenient on. I do not mind at all of Kingdra's or Electivire's usage, and I am indifferent to their OU usage. I guess what I am trying to say is that in the end, I do not want a team with:
Speed Deoxys, Palkia, Kyogre, Scizor, Kingdra, Mewtwo.

Sure, it's certainly more than effective, but I fully believe the same or surpassed results may be achieved with what I have concieved. Something such as my ScarfDra and Electivire are more than capable and are unique in their own rights. I know Electivire is fail defensively. Don't really care. Though I am interested in removing their Scarves.

One more thing, I usually won't switch defensively on this team.

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I have no patience with this team anymore it's awful and I'm tired of giving you advice and you rejecting it with some idiotic counter arguement? 30% paralysis praying so you rely on hax to take out a threat to a pokemon. A team should be built by completely ignoring hax and just by looking on 1 on 1 situations between the two pokemon forgetting crits and status jeez. And if you don't want a team of Speed Deoxys, Palkia, Kyogre, Scizor, Kingdra and Mewtwo you may as well quit ubers because anyone who runs that will beat you. Ignorance will be your downfall you put your team up here to get the best of the community and to be honest you've totally neglected it by making what 1 changes from the about 20 we've suggested to you sure if you had points and reasons I wouldn't mind but Electivire???.... Sorry is this a joke?

Me? I never joke, and I do not believe in the slightest that Electivire is a failure.

And if you don't want a team of Speed Deoxys, Palkia, Kyogre, Scizor, Kingdra and Mewtwo you may as well quit ubers because anyone who runs that will beat you.

Is your goal as an Uber team rater to slowly work all teams into the same generic mold? Look dude, I understand that you're an Ubers expert, but if every good team engineered is only one "the best" team, then the whole points of RMT and even this game itself is moot.

I have never had an issue with my current Deoxys lead either. It's like saying that Aerodactyl is a better lead than Hippowdon. Granted, I lack a high HP stat, or even any form of recovery whatsoever, but it gets the job done.

I have yet to have foresight of any critical changes.

Shrang sums up why you shouldn't use Electivire when he says:

There are many problems surrounding Electivire, and especially true in Ubers. Firstly, it is very frail, anything that isn't an Electric attack would kill it (The only he resists, Flying, nails him very hard too, seeing as the only Flying attack you'll see commonly in Ubers is Brave Bird from Ho-oh, and that does 74.23% - 87.29% to it, and a Scarfed Thunder would only do about 55% in return). If you are just after an Electric immunity, Garchomp and others do this much better. Secondly, E-Vire isn't that quick, seeing as stuff like Deoxys-S still outspeeds him with a Scarf (Not to mention DD Ray speed-ties with him after a boost at worst). Thirdly, E-Vire hits like a girl, base 95 Special Attack without any boosts isn't going to get you very far in Ubers, and as demonstrated already, he does only about 55% to standard Ho-oh with a Super effective 120 Base Powered STAB attack.

Honestly, if you're going to post an RMT, at least be able to take some of the advice, and use it. Scarf Kingdra is just completely silly. Once your opponent finds out it's scarfed, they're going to abuse the fact that it can't switch moves. A life Orb would be a better option. Yes, you'll have to run some Speed EVs, but thanks to Life Orb, you can still run a MixDra set and hit just as hard (And you can switch moves).

You also say this is a Rain Dance team. You probably know this, but Rain can only last for 8 turns (5 for you, since you're not carrying Damp Rock). With your Kingdra and Electivire having to switch out so much, your rain is going to run out pretty fast for you, not to mention all the free turns you're going to have to give your opponent.

Won't jolteon/magnezone do better than vire? Swift swim kingdra is fast enough and the life orb does more damage than 252 Attack EVs.

@HiThere
I don't care about fraility. If I can outspeed and 2HKO that Ho-oh (not assuming Stealth Rock), that's fine enough by me.

Electivire has Scarf and Motor Drive, and there is also a lot of Paralysis spam in this team. Speed is not much of an issue.

I do see the point in the low Special Attack, but I'm actually more into the physical attacking. With Motor Drive and Paralysis spam, perhaps I should change to Expert Belt or Life Orb, though.

@calze6
Jolteon and Magnezone aren't mixed sweepers. Jolteon is even more redundant than Electivire. I happen to use Magnezone and Magneton on other Uber teams.

*both
Now that you guys are mentioning it, I am highly considering removing Kingdra's Choice Scarf. I still have my doubts. To be honest, I don't have any trouble being restrained in my moves. However, I have not as of yet was forced to actually use the Speed boost from Scarf (but, you know, it could happen).

With that in mind, I would like to ask everyone on this set:
Life Orb
Waterfall, Surf, Dragon Pulse, Draco Meteor

The main concern here is that I have no way to defend from Stealth Rock and the like, making Life Orb sort of more painful than Choice.

Kingdra is primarily a revenge killer so taking damage won't result too much except be entry hazards and life orb. It won't take damage from other pokemon's attacks. I'd recommend outrage over dragon pulse however, so it can deal a powerful physical attack to kill things like latias and not be crippled entirely by DM.

I'll take that into consideration, even though the team Kingdra is on happens to be the one with Lustrous Orb Palkia.

Ok, so for Deoxys, Kyogre, Lustrous Palkia, Bronzong, Kingdra...

The Kingdra set is now:
Life Orb
Waterfall, Surf, Outrage, Draco Meteor
Mild
16 Attack, 240 Speed, 252 Attack
This still enables me to outrun Timid Scarf Kingdra (I'm still, of course, rather saddended by not maxing both offenses). Ultimately, I now fail to Timid Scarf Mewtwo and Deoxys, but I am unsure if that is truly a problem.
Because of so much Speed, I now barely scratch max HP Kyogre with either Draco Meteor or Outrage. I also miss out on 2HKO Blissey with Waterfall or Outrage (both have about equal power in Rain). I can still 2HKO Tyranitar with Surf, however.

I'm still iffy on using Outrage over Dragon Pulse, however. Perhaps I should use it and also change Surf to Hydro Pump?
Finally, the Electivire caper is still of concern.

Your best thing to outrun would probably be scarf garchomp as threst of the stuff is really uncommon. As for electivire, why not just simply run a fast pokemon with thunder like mewtwo, deo-a or latios? If you want it mixed, you could use a dialga too.

calze6 said:

Your best thing to outrun would probably be scarf garchomp as threst of the stuff is really uncommon. As for electivire, why not just simply run a fast pokemon with thunder like mewtwo, deo-a or latios? If you want it mixed, you could use a dialga too.

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Do you really think a Expert Belt/Life Orb/Scarf Dialga could be more versatile than Electivire? I'm pretty sure Electivire's Thunder is better...
Dialga can run practically the same set, just Dragon Pulse (or Draco Meteor, if necessary) over Signal Beam.

Can Dialga OHKO Blissey? Electivire is at least immune to Thunder Wave...
Or should I go 252/252 in Dialga's Attack/Special Attack?

The final consideration is to just screw the whole thing and use Bulk Up Dialga or Meditate Electivire, or to max out Electivire's Speed (95 base is good with Scarf).

Is outrunning Scarf Timid Skymin worth it? It seems really ominous.

FOR ANYONE WHO IS RATING THIS TEAM

Electivire has great Attack, is faster than Dialga/Kyogre/Groudon, and has a phenomenal movepool. Stop criticizing it so badly.