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- Thread starter DankDawson
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Hi Dank,
I noticed that you have both Swampert and Scarf Flygon on the same team. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, Swampert is a great counter and check to many of the threats that Flygon is meant to revenge kill.
Since you have a major problem with Lead Roserade, and should really be using Leftovers on Swampert since it doesn't have any form of self recovery, try switching Swampert to your second slot and leading with Anti-Lead Metagross instead:
Metagross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 236 HP / 228 Atk / 20 Def / 24 Spe
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
This set can beat both Machamp and Roserade due to its Lum Berry and access to high powered attacks. Against the former, Meteor Mash twice, as No Guard ensures that your attacks as well as your opponent's will not miss. Against the latter, use either Earthquake or Meteor Mash, and then Bullet Punch. Explosion can be used later in the game against troublesome threats.
Metagross has problems against Heatran and Infernape leads, which Swampert does quite well against.
If you decide to go with this set as your lead, use Leftovers on Swampert for the recovery.
I noticed that you have both Swampert and Scarf Flygon on the same team. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, Swampert is a great counter and check to many of the threats that Flygon is meant to revenge kill.
Since you have a major problem with Lead Roserade, and should really be using Leftovers on Swampert since it doesn't have any form of self recovery, try switching Swampert to your second slot and leading with Anti-Lead Metagross instead:
Metagross @ Lum Berry
Ability: Clear Body
EVs: 236 HP / 228 Atk / 20 Def / 24 Spe
Adamant (+Atk, -SpA)
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Explosion
This set can beat both Machamp and Roserade due to its Lum Berry and access to high powered attacks. Against the former, Meteor Mash twice, as No Guard ensures that your attacks as well as your opponent's will not miss. Against the latter, use either Earthquake or Meteor Mash, and then Bullet Punch. Explosion can be used later in the game against troublesome threats.
Metagross has problems against Heatran and Infernape leads, which Swampert does quite well against.
If you decide to go with this set as your lead, use Leftovers on Swampert for the recovery.
Swampert is one of the best checks to Dragonite in the game. Roaring is fine, but you only want to do it when it's safe. In other words, don't just let Swampert die if you can avoid it.
If Gyarados gets to be a problem, you could try out this Celebi set, which still hits pretty hard, but is also a good Gyarados check and team supporter:
Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP/110 Def/112 SAtk/32 Spd
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Thunder Wave
- Recover
- Hidden Power [Fire]
Modest nature and the given EV's OHKO Scizor after Stealth Rock. Against enemy Gyarados, you can either use Thunder Wave, or Grass Knot, which 2HKO's them. Recover is also great as it lets you survive for longer to make use of Celebi's support.
You can alternatively use HP Electric on Heatran to revenge kill it.
xD Wow.
I thought I changed all the male remarks to female.
It suddenly came to me today that Flygon is a girl not a boy, so I attempted to change most of it.
But I failed. I am sorry Eric.
xD That was funny Eric.
thanks for reading it though! :P
and thanks for the very helpful comment.
I thought I changed all the male remarks to female.
It suddenly came to me today that Flygon is a girl not a boy, so I attempted to change most of it.
But I failed. I am sorry Eric.
xD That was funny Eric.
thanks for reading it though! :P
and thanks for the very helpful comment.
No more responses? :(
I need help guys! Anything at all would be useful.
Pleeaaaassseeee!
Don't hesitate to respond :D
I need help guys! Anything at all would be useful.
Pleeaaaassseeee!
Don't hesitate to respond :D
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Nice team.
Leaf Storm > Grass Knot on Celebi -- gets rid of CM Suicune and Machamp more easily than Grass Knot, and it is generally a better move on Life Orb sets.
Place Recover over Psychic on Celebi. It gets worn down quickly by entry hazards/Breloom's Focus Punch, and you want a way to heal.
Make Swampert a Lum Berry Metagross lead, because Swampert sucks as a lead. Use the set Faladran posted.
As for Snorlax, honestly I would use a bulky mixed wall Lax. Curselax suffers from severe 4 moveslot syndrome, and it doesn't really work like it did in Advance because now Trick is much more common.
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Careful Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SpD
-Body Slam
-Whirlwind
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
This Snorlax is so great because it can switch into pretty much any attack and Whirlwind the threat out.
As for Kingdra or Gyarados, I think I would honestly use Gyarados, seeing how weak this team is to Mixape.
Good luck!
Leaf Storm > Grass Knot on Celebi -- gets rid of CM Suicune and Machamp more easily than Grass Knot, and it is generally a better move on Life Orb sets.
Place Recover over Psychic on Celebi. It gets worn down quickly by entry hazards/Breloom's Focus Punch, and you want a way to heal.
Make Swampert a Lum Berry Metagross lead, because Swampert sucks as a lead. Use the set Faladran posted.
As for Snorlax, honestly I would use a bulky mixed wall Lax. Curselax suffers from severe 4 moveslot syndrome, and it doesn't really work like it did in Advance because now Trick is much more common.
Snorlax @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
Careful Nature
EVs: 252 HP / 240 Def / 16 SpD
-Body Slam
-Whirlwind
-Rest
-Sleep Talk
This Snorlax is so great because it can switch into pretty much any attack and Whirlwind the threat out.
As for Kingdra or Gyarados, I think I would honestly use Gyarados, seeing how weak this team is to Mixape.
Good luck!
Thanks Mario c:
When you do your full rate, can you let me know if I should go with Kingdra or Gyarados? (I'm thinking Gyarados, as it can take fighting hits)
And Snorlax or Tyranitar? (I'm not sure.. Tyranitar can take rock hits aimed at Gyarados if I chose it, and set up in the process,
but Snorlax is simply amazing. It has rest and awesome bulk to last long enough to take all the oppenents remaining pokemon.)
I also need help on Snorlax's moveset.
I need to have Body Slam, Rest, Curse, and the fourth slot is open for any attack move that isn't fighting as I need to hit ghost.
Maybe Crunch? Thunder/Ice/Fire punch? Zen Headbutt? Seed Bomb? Rock Slide?
Those are all the considerable moves that he learns that could fill the 4th spot.
Thunderpunch and Bodyslam would hit everything in Ou except magnezone for nuetral coverage...
If you do come back and rate this, I really appreciate it, and thanks.
When you do your full rate, can you let me know if I should go with Kingdra or Gyarados? (I'm thinking Gyarados, as it can take fighting hits)
And Snorlax or Tyranitar? (I'm not sure.. Tyranitar can take rock hits aimed at Gyarados if I chose it, and set up in the process,
but Snorlax is simply amazing. It has rest and awesome bulk to last long enough to take all the oppenents remaining pokemon.)
I also need help on Snorlax's moveset.
I need to have Body Slam, Rest, Curse, and the fourth slot is open for any attack move that isn't fighting as I need to hit ghost.
Maybe Crunch? Thunder/Ice/Fire punch? Zen Headbutt? Seed Bomb? Rock Slide?
Those are all the considerable moves that he learns that could fill the 4th spot.
Thunderpunch and Bodyslam would hit everything in Ou except magnezone for nuetral coverage...
If you do come back and rate this, I really appreciate it, and thanks.
Ok. Thanks Mario, I'll go try all those out.
I'll probably go with Bulky Gyara, and keep Snorlax.
I'll probably go with Bulky Gyara, and keep Snorlax.
I chose thunderpunch for better overall coverage.
Hi DankDawson, this is a pretty solid team.
However I see a couple of problems. Firstly, Celebi is your only fighting-resist and with Pokemon like Aerodactyl and Snorlax baiting fighting-types like Lucario and Machamp to come in quite comfortably, your team could be put under some pressure by those two Pokemon. On top of this, your Celebi has no form of recovery and you are running no HP investment. Because of Snorlax's gargantuan HP stat, Leech Seed Shaymin will generally beat it, so long as it gets 1-2 SpDef drops, so you really want a second way to combat this Pokemon. Heatran also will be wittled down quickly and once your opponent knows its Scarf, yuou won't be getting any surprise kills on offensive Shaymin. I think a bulkier Celebi with recovery is the best option.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Modest | Natural Cure
EVs: 196 HP / 112 SpAtk / 220 Spe
Grass Knot / Thunder Wave / Hidden power [Fire] / Recover
This Celebi will outrun Adamant Lucario and will be able to do a sizeable chunk with Hidden Power [Fire] or paralyse it and also will outrun offensive Suicune allowing you to deal with it appropriately. With the HP investment, Celebi will be able to sponge most attacks from fighting-types such as Breloom and Machamp.
I am really unsure about the dual-scarfers on this team, and personally I would like you to try a Mixed Flygon. Mixed Flygon will help incredibly well with luring out and disposing of threats to Snorlax. Skarmory will come in on Flygon and believe it can set up Spikes for free, until you Fire Blast it. Pokemon such as Swampert and the occasional Machamp switch-ins get battered by Draco Meteor and Flygon will also work very well at luring out and disposing/weakening Kingdra's counters such as Skarmory, Rotom, Swampert and other steels looking to tank the Outrage.
Flygon @ Life Orb
Naive | Levitate
EVs: 76 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 180 Spe
Draco Meteor / Fire Blast / Earthquake / Roost
By removing the Scarf on Flygon you become slightly open to Dragon Dance Dragonite, but if you follow my other suggestions it will have no room to set-up, except against Heatran although Dragonite will fall after Stealth Rock, 2 Fire Blasts and Life Orb recoil. Defensive variants you have to be slightly more wary about.
Good luck!
However I see a couple of problems. Firstly, Celebi is your only fighting-resist and with Pokemon like Aerodactyl and Snorlax baiting fighting-types like Lucario and Machamp to come in quite comfortably, your team could be put under some pressure by those two Pokemon. On top of this, your Celebi has no form of recovery and you are running no HP investment. Because of Snorlax's gargantuan HP stat, Leech Seed Shaymin will generally beat it, so long as it gets 1-2 SpDef drops, so you really want a second way to combat this Pokemon. Heatran also will be wittled down quickly and once your opponent knows its Scarf, yuou won't be getting any surprise kills on offensive Shaymin. I think a bulkier Celebi with recovery is the best option.
Celebi @ Leftovers
Modest | Natural Cure
EVs: 196 HP / 112 SpAtk / 220 Spe
Grass Knot / Thunder Wave / Hidden power [Fire] / Recover
This Celebi will outrun Adamant Lucario and will be able to do a sizeable chunk with Hidden Power [Fire] or paralyse it and also will outrun offensive Suicune allowing you to deal with it appropriately. With the HP investment, Celebi will be able to sponge most attacks from fighting-types such as Breloom and Machamp.
I am really unsure about the dual-scarfers on this team, and personally I would like you to try a Mixed Flygon. Mixed Flygon will help incredibly well with luring out and disposing of threats to Snorlax. Skarmory will come in on Flygon and believe it can set up Spikes for free, until you Fire Blast it. Pokemon such as Swampert and the occasional Machamp switch-ins get battered by Draco Meteor and Flygon will also work very well at luring out and disposing/weakening Kingdra's counters such as Skarmory, Rotom, Swampert and other steels looking to tank the Outrage.
Flygon @ Life Orb
Naive | Levitate
EVs: 76 Atk / 252 SpAtk / 180 Spe
Draco Meteor / Fire Blast / Earthquake / Roost
By removing the Scarf on Flygon you become slightly open to Dragon Dance Dragonite, but if you follow my other suggestions it will have no room to set-up, except against Heatran although Dragonite will fall after Stealth Rock, 2 Fire Blasts and Life Orb recoil. Defensive variants you have to be slightly more wary about.
Good luck!
I'll be sure to give all of that a try.
Who then would take care of Machamp leads?
Thank you for the rating.
I like the Flygon so far.
Who then would take care of Machamp leads?
Thank you for the rating.
I like the Flygon so far.
