Seel (LC Analysis)

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OK so this was basically done (and is still basically done) by ILoveLiza and Gen. Empoleon, and I hate seeing good work go to waste, so I'm here to get this through QC and go get it however many grammar checks it needs so all of the hard work ILoveLiza put into it can be recognized huzzah! (seriously though, this analysis is basically done.)


http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/seel

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[Overview]

<p>Seel is a rather balanced Pokemon, so it can potentially fill numerous roles in your team; however, it is often overshadowed by Pokemon with higher stats. With that said, it does have one unique perk that merits its usage: it is the only Pokemon in Little Cup that learns the combination of Aqua Jet, Ice Shard, and Fake Out. If you are going to use Seel, then do so only after looking at whether or not another Pokemon does the intended job better.</p>

[SET]
name: Revenge Killer
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Aqua Jet
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Waterfall / Zen Headbutt
item: Life Orb / Oran Berry
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>
Having a variety of different priority moves is an amazing niche for Seel. With Fake Out, Aqua Jet, and Ice Shard, Seel is able to get two hits for the price of one without the opposing Pokemon being able to touch it. Ice Shard differentiates Seel from other Aqua Jet users, allowing it to deal with threats such as Croagunk and Paras, which would normally wall Pokemon that rely solely on Aqua Jet for priority.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>
The Speed EVs may seem wasteful, but with the given EVs, Seel is able to Speed tie with other priority move-using Pokemon in the 14 Speed tier. An alternative EV spread of 236 Atk / 236 Def / 36 SpD, which is based more around bulk, is available and should be used if your team already has a way to deal with priority Croagunk and if Seel is not running Zen Headbutt. When using this set, keep in mind that Seel is in no way a priority sweeper, as it lacks the raw power that other priority sweepers have; it is instead only a revenge killer.</p>

<p>As a revenge killer, Seel
needs to be able to come in more than once; residual damage from entry hazards such as Stealth Rock and Spikes will gradually add up to cause Seel's death. Therefore, Pineco makes a good partner due to its resistance to Grass-type attacks and access to Rapid Spin. Baltoy may be weak to Grass-type attacks, but it has an immunity to Electric-type attacks and, like Pineco, the ability to Rapid Spin. Lastly, Croagunk makes a good partner in crime. It resists Seel's weakness Grass-type attacks and can help Seel finish off weakened opponents, as it hasreliable priority moves as well. Croagunk is also immune to Water-type attacks, and Seel has difficulty hurting Water-types.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>
Grass-types partner up well with Seel, as they can come in on the Grass- and Electric-type attacks aimed at Seel. They are also able to lay the hurt on enemy Water-type Pokemon. Notable Grass-types are: Shroomish, which can cause switches with its stalling set, allowing Seel to come in later to finish the job, and Bellsprout, which can come in on Grass- and Electric-type attacks thrown at Seeland threaten Water-type Pokemon on both sides of the attacking spectrum. Any Pokemon that can come in on Water-types are good partners for Seel, due to its inability to deal significant damage to Water-types. Seel's best counters, Water-types with Hidden Power Electric, can be beaten by the trappers, Diglett and Wynaut; Choice Scarf variants are eliminated especially easily.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Seel, as a result of its natural sturdiness, can also attempt to fill
a supporting role. There are many Pokemon with better defenses, but there are few that can reliably use Encore. With Encore, Seel can open the way for a very dangerous sweep for Pokemon like Gastly (when Encoring a Grass-type move) or Chinchou (when Encoring an Electric-type move) by allowing them tocome in on a move that they are resistant or immune to.</p>

<p>Seel's other ability, Hydration, isn't as useful in the fast paced metagame of Little Cup. If used on a Rain Dance team, it may be able to fit the role of a support Pokemon. If you would like to use Seel in this way
, a set comprising of Encore / Rain Dance / Substitute / Waterfall can be annoying to your opponent and has the appeal of being able to potentially shut down Lileep.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Seel finds it difficult to lay serious damage on other Water-type Pokemon. Due to its unique typing, Chinchou gets a special mention for being able to resist
both of Seel's STAB attacks and threaten with its own. Pokemon that are immune to Water-type attacks, like Paras and Mantyke, can come in and force Seel out. Paras, however, has to be wary of Ice Shard. That said, any Pokemon that takes little damage from Water-type attacks should stand a good chance of countering Seel, especially if it happens to be carrying a move Seel is weak to. As most Seel don't run Hydration, Duskull is also a decent counter due to its ability to take Seel's attacks fairly well and burn it with a crippling Will-O-Wisp. On that note, any Ghost carrying Will-O-Wisp can counter Seel decently thanks to the free entry given by a predicted Fake Out.</p>
 

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We talked on irc about this. Everything, aside from grammar and formatting, seems good. The analysis is concise and fairly easy to read. Not much to say about Seel, approved.
 
i think encore might deserve a slot in the first set (its what i use). it gives you many cool chances to take things by surprise like subvahna (well this is mainly the one but its a huge surprise!)
 
Are we going back to three stamps? Either way, this is obviously the best and only set Seel can pull off.

 

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[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Priority is an amazingly useful tool in Little Cup battles. There are many teams based entirely on priority however there are few options that have as many different priorities available to them as Seel. With Fake out, Aqua Jet, and Ice Shard Seel is able to get two hits for the price of one without the opponent being able to touch it. The extra priority of Ice Shard is the only thing that sets Seel apart from its fellow Aqua Jet abusers. This makes it much better at dealing with threats such as Croagunk and Paras, who would normally wall your Aqua Jet Pokemon.</p>

[Team Options & Additional Comments]

<p> The Speed EVs may seem wasteful, but with the given EVs, Seel is able to Speed tie with other priority Pokemon in the 14 Speed tier. An alternate EV spread of 236 Atk / 236 Def / 36 SpD, which is based more around bulk, is available and should be used if your team already has a way to deal with priority Croagunk if Seel is not running Zen Headbutt. The thing to keep in mind when using this set is that Seel is in no way a priority sweeper as it lacks the raw power; it is instead only a revenge killer.</p>
Just some simple things.
 
I would add rest to the Rain Dance ACs, as it basically let's it fully heal w/ no drawbacks in the Rain.
 

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[Overview]

<p>Seel is a niche rather balanced Pokemon. It can potentially fill numerous roles in your team; however, it is overshadowed by Pokemon with higher stats. That said, it is the only Pokemon in Little Cup that learns the combination of Aqua Jet, Ice Shard, and Fake Out. If you are going to use Seel, then do so only after looking at whether or not another Pokemon is going to be able to do does that the intended job better.</p>


[SET]
name: Revenge Killer
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Aqua Jet
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Waterfall / Zen Headbutt
item: Life Orb / Oran Berry
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>Having a variety of different priority moves is an amazing niche useful tool in Little Cup battles for Seel. There are many teams based entirely on prority however there are few options that have as many different priorities available to them as Seel. (complicated dumb sentence) With Fake Out, Aqua Jet, and Ice Shard, (comma) Seel is able to get two hits for the price of one without the opponent being able to touch it. The extra priority of Ice Shard is the only thing that sets Seel apart from its fellow Aqua Jet abusers. This makes it much better at dealing Ice Shard's extra priority differentiates Seel from other Aqua Jet users, (comma) allowing it to deal with threats such as Croagunk and Paras, who which would normally wall your Aqua Jet Pokemon.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]


<p> (backspace this)The Speed EVs may seem wasteful, but with the given EVs, Seel is able to Speed tie with other priority Pokemon in the 14 Speed tier. An alternative EV spread of 236 Atk / 236 Def / 36 SpD, which is based more around bulk, is available and should be used if your team already has a way to deal with priority Croagunk if Seel is not running Zen Headbutt. The thing to When using this set, (comma) keep in mind when using this set is that Seel is in no way a priority sweeper as it lacks the raw power that other priority sweepers have; it is instead only a revenge killer.</p>

<p>As a revenge killer, Seel will want needs to be able to come in more than once; residual damage from entry hazards such as Stealth Rock and Spikes will add up to Seel's death gradually. (period) Therefore, (comma) Pineco makes a good partner due to being able to come in on Grass attacks its resistance to Grass-type attacks and access to Rapid Spin. Baltoy is may be weak to Grass, (comma) however but it has an is immunity to Electric and, like Pineco, the ability to Rapid Spin as such also makes a good teammate. Lastly, Croagunk makes a good partner in crime. It resists Seel's Grass weakness and can help Seel finish off weakened opponents due to also having reliable priority moves as well. Croagunk is also immune to Water, a type that Seel has difficulty hurting.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>Grass-types partner up well with Seel as they can come in on the Grass- and Electric-type attacks aimed at Seel. They are also able to lay the hurt on enemy Water Pokemon. Notable Grass-types are: (colon) Shroomish, who which can cause switches with its stalling set and allow Seel to come in later to finish the job. (remove comma) Also and Bellsprout, who which can come in on Grass-type and Electric-type attacks that will be thrown at Seel, and threaten the Water Pokemon on both sides of the attacking spectrum. Anything Pokemon that can come in on a Water Pokemon will be a are good partners for Seel due to its inability to lay deal significant damage onto upon Waters. Waters with Hidden Power Electric, Seel's best counters, can be beaten by the trappers Diglett and Wynaut especially if they are running a Choice Scarf with that Hidden Power Electric.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Seel, as a result of its natural sturdiness, can also attempt to fill the a supporting role. There are many Pokemon with better defenses; however, there are few that can reliably use Encore. With Encore, Seel can open the way for a very dangerous sweep for Pokemon like Gastly (when Encoring a Grass-type move) or Chinchou (when Encoring an Electric-type move) by allowing them to be assured of coming in on a move that they are resistant or immune to.</p>

<p>Its other ability, Hydration, isn't as useful in the fast paced metagame of Little Cup. If used on a Rain Dance team, it may be able to fit the role of a support Pokemon. If you would like to use Seel in this way, (comma) a set comprising of Encore / Rain Dance / Substitute / Waterfall can be annoying to your opponent and has the appeal of being able to potentially shut down Lileep.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Seel finds it difficult to lay serious damage on other Water-type Pokemon. Due to its unique typing, Chinchou gets a special mention for being able to both resist both of Seel's attacks and threaten with its own. Pokemon that are immune to Water like Paras and Mantyke can come in and force Seel out. Paras, however, has to be wary of an Ice attack Ice Shard. That said, (comma) anything Pokemon that takes not very effective little damage from Water-type attacks should stand a good chance of countering Seel, especially if it happens to be carrying a move Seel is weak to. Seeing As most Seel don't run Hydration, (comma) Duskull is also a decent counter due to its ability to take Seel's attacks fairly well and burn it with a crippling Will-O-Wisp which will cripple it. On that note, (comma) any Ghost carrying Will-O-Wisp can counter Seel thanks to the free entry given by Fake Out.</p>


 

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[Overview]

<p>Seel is a rather balanced Pokemon, so it can potentially fill numerous roles in your team; however, it is often overshadowed by Pokemon with higher stats. With that said, it does have one unique perk that merits its usage: it is the only Pokemon in Little Cup that learns the combination of Aqua Jet, Ice Shard, and Fake Out. If you are going to use Seel, then do so only after looking at whether or not another Pokemon does the intended job better.</p>

[SET]
name: Revenge Killer
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: Aqua Jet
move 3: Ice Shard
move 4: Waterfall / Zen Headbutt
item: Life Orb / Oran Berry
ability: Thick Fat
nature: Adamant
evs: 236 Atk / 36 SpD / 236 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

<p>
Having a variety of different priority moves is an amazing niche for Seel. With Fake Out, Aqua Jet, and Ice Shard, Seel is able to get two hits for the price of one without the opposing Pokemon being able to touch it. Ice Shard extra priority differentiates Seel from other Aqua Jet users, allowing it to deal with threats such as Croagunk and Paras, which would normally wall your Pokemon that rely solely on Aqua Jet for priority Pokemon.</p>

[ADDITIONAL COMMENTS]

<p>
The Speed EVs may seem wasteful, but with the given EVs, Seel is able to Speed tie with other priority move-using Pokemon in the 14 Speed tier. An alternative EV spread of 236 Atk / 236 Def / 36 SpD, which is based more around bulk, is available and should be used if your team already has a way to deal with priority Croagunk and if Seel is not running Zen Headbutt. When using this set, keep in mind that Seel is in no way a priority sweeper, as it lacks the raw power that other priority sweepers have; it is instead only a revenge killer.</p>

<p>As a revenge killer, Seel
needs to be able to come in more than once; residual damage from entry hazards such as Stealth Rock and Spikes will gradually add up to cause Seel's death gradually. Therefore, Pineco makes a good partner due to its resistance to Grass-type attacks and access to Rapid Spin. Baltoy may be weak to Grass-type attacks, but it has an immunity to Electric-type attacks and, like Pineco, the ability to Rapid Spin. Lastly, Croagunk makes a good partner in crime. It resists Seel's Grass weakness Grass-type attacks and can help Seel finish off weakened opponents, as it has due to also having reliable priority moves as well. Croagunk is also immune to Water-type attacks, a type that and Seel has difficulty hurting Water-types.</p>

[Team Options]

<p>
Grass-types partner up well with Seel, as they can come in on the Grass- and Electric-type attacks aimed at Seel. They are also able to lay the hurt on enemy Water-type Pokemon. Notable Grass-types are: Shroomish, which can cause switches with its stalling set, and allowing Seel to come in later to finish the job, and Bellsprout, which can come in on Grass- and Electric-type attacks thrown at Seel, and threaten Water-type Pokemon on both sides of the attacking spectrum. Any Pokemon that can come in on a Water-types Pokemon are good partners for Seel, due to its inability to deal significant damage to Water-types. Seel's best counters, Water-types with Hidden Power Electric, Seel's best counters, can be beaten by the trappers, Diglett and Wynaut; Choice Scarf variants are eliminated especially easily if they are running a Choice Scarf.</p>

[Optional Changes]

<p>Seel, as a result of its natural sturdiness, can also attempt to fill
a supporting role. There are many Pokemon with better defenses, but, there are few that can reliably use Encore. With Encore, Seel can open the way for a very dangerous sweep for Pokemon like Gastly (when Encoring a Grass-type move) or Chinchou (when Encoring an Electric-type move) by allowing them to be assured of come in on a move that they are resistant or immune to.</p>

<p>Seel's other ability, Hydration, isn't as useful in the fast paced metagame of Little Cup. If used on a Rain Dance team, it may be able to fit the role of a support Pokemon. If you would like to use Seel in this way
, a set comprising of Encore / Rain Dance / Substitute / Waterfall can be annoying to your opponent and has the appeal of being able to potentially shut down Lileep.</p>

[Counters]

<p>Seel finds it difficult to lay serious damage on other Water-type Pokemon. Due to its unique typing, Chinchou gets a special mention for being able to resist
both of Seel's STAB attacks and threaten with its own. Pokemon that are immune to Water-type attacks, like Paras and Mantyke, can come in and force Seel out. Paras, however, has to be wary of Ice Shard. That said, any Pokemon that takes little damage from Water-type attacks should stand a good chance of countering Seel, especially if it happens to be carrying a move Seel is weak to. As most Seel don't run Hydration, Duskull is also a decent counter due to its ability to take Seel's attacks fairly well and burn it with a crippling Will-O-Wisp. On that note, any Ghost carrying Will-O-Wisp can counter Seel decently thanks to the free entry given by a predicted Fake Out.</p>



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