Quagsire (OU lead)

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Good ol' Quagsire, getting overshadowed by Swampert. I will admit many things on the superiority of Swampert vs Quagsire Debate. Swampert does have much better base stats, the option of using both special and physical moves, and Stealth Rock. On the other hand, the Quagsire lead functions as an anti-lead AND comes back much lack Swampert to annoy the enemy.

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Quagsire @ Leftovers
Water Absorb
Adamant
252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
-Aqua Tail/Ice Punch
-Earthquake
-Encore
-Yawn
Now. Quagsire has two things swampert lacks, which is Encore and Water Absorb. He matches up excellently against the most common leads such as Azelf and Aerodactyl and slaughters them. Most fast Stealth Rockers will Taunt Quagsire to prevent a Yawn or Encore. Use that chance to pummel the enemy with an Aqua Tail to the face or Earthquake, depending on need. The tricky part is to use an attack or to try to Encore the Stealth Rock. For common leads lacking taunt (Metagross for example), you would Encore the Stealth Rock (even if you get an attacking move instead, you gain a free switch in). Proceed to yawn the switch, thereby revealing probably 3 members of their team at best. This set will also come back later to haunt the enemy, especially any Gyarados lacking Taunt. Water Absorb is free healing against many water users (any Starmie without Psychic, Trick, or Ice Beam automatically loses unless it's a hidden power Starmie). It also can somewhat counter Machamp with Encore or Yawn, as it will never be OHKO'd and can force a switch. The EV's are spread for maximum power and survivability. And you can run a Damp Quagsire for Explosion stopping, but I find Water Absorb much more effective. This set needs a team that can support it well and can provide Rapid Spin and or Stealth Rock.

Against Common leads:
Azelf: If it's trick, switch out to prevent a crippling Choice Scarf. If not, then proceed to pummel it to death with either Aqua Tail. At worst, it'll explode. But they usually taunt and then SR.
Machamp: Cross your fingers and do an Encore if you have a Ghost type to absorb Dynamice Punch, or simply Yawn and switch to a Set-up.
Breloom: Absorb the sleep unless you have something better.
Aerodactyl: Absolutely destroyed by Aqua Tail since it has to taunt first. It can't touch Quagsire in any way.
Metagross: Aside from Exploders and or ones with HP Grass, Quagsire will demolish it with Earthquake and Encore. Encore the SR, either switch or kill.
Swampert: It's brethren usually falls to Encore, since I doubt Swampert can ever OHKO it unless it runs HP Grass.
Infernape: Lead Infernape usually lack Grass Knot and as a result, are easily destroyed. At worst, you'll be Close Combated. Even then, you'll almost never be OHKO'd. Either go for the kill with E-quake once it sets up SR or Encore it.
Jirachi: If you get tricked, you can still pummel Jirachi to death with Earthquake and or use Taunt for a comedic effect, forcing a double blind switch. None of it's common moves should OHKO Quagsire, especially lead Jirachi.
Heatran: Earthquake for the win! Unless it has HP Grass. But either way, an Encore or Yawn with force a switch. I'd Encore the SR, as it thinks it can outrun you. Earthquake will cripple it forever, and anything it does will not OHKO Quagsire except for HP Grass and Explosion.
Roserade: Switch out. Now.
Ninjask: An attempt at Yawning or Encoring will destroy Ninjask if it succeeds. If not, you'll lose a valuable turn. If it substitutes, shatter the subs with Aqua Tail, since if it SD's, then the recipient usually can't hurt Quags that much either.

It also walls Empoleons without GK, Gyarados without Taunt, Electivires without HP Grass, Gliscor, Heatran without HP Grass, Jolteon without HP Grass, Magnezones without HP Grass or Magnet Rise, partially blocks Mamoswine and Weavile, most Scizor, Rotom-W, Starmie without Psychic or Ice Beam, Suicunes and Vaporeon without Ice Beam or HP Grass, most Tentacruel, and Zapdos without HP Grass.
 
Neither Encore nor Yawn is actually interesting for this lead. It stops nothing, sets up nothing, and really in the long run, does nothing relevant. It lacks Swampert's naturally high attack, decent special attack, much of its bulk (only -5/-5 physical defense, but -25 base special defense really hurts it), and this set doesn't really accomplish much. Sure, it walls bulky waters, but let's face it, bulky waters aren't the hardest thing in the world to wall, and it doesn't even do that good a job of it considering that Starmie carries Ice Beam and/or Grass Knot, Vaporeon can sometimes carry Ice Beam or Toxic, Suicune can just outstall with Pressure (Encore only has so much PP), Milotic Ice Beams it, Gyara resists its stuff and Earthquakes or Bounces, etc. The things it's meant to wall it can't wall, it doesn't do a whole lot as a lead, and its middling stats bring it down.

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Swampert also has one move that makes it worthwhile as a lead: Stealth Rock.

I think quagsire is better off in some role abusing Recover if it were used in OU.
 
encore is a fantastic move for a lead, this quaggy CAN do something, what are you talking about?

Sure, they can SR, but you encore it and that means you gain at least one free turn. If they taunt, they get SR up and you have switched in the counter to their lead or a set upper that can abuse a free turn as they switch or something.

This isn't without merit, but I think it MAY serve better in UU; if Quaggy can have a nice in uber, surely someone can find use for him in OU. Recover/encore alone make him better than pert for various tasks.
 
So... you're telling us you haven't tested this or...?

No, no, no! I have, and I win roughly 66% of my games, losing mostly due to a very poor lapse in judgement (ie: Letting a Scizor get up 3 SD's for some reason or missing a game winning move). The link to the team is http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=78691

I couldn't write a full length reply yet, but now I can.
Quaggy is used more of FORCING switch pokemon, not to stop or set up: on my team, that's a role handled by Forretress. It provides my team with an excellent immunity to an otherwise dangerous Water type threat (see link). It is not meant to stay in combat for very long, but is meant to be a major disruptor meant to screw up some set-up attempts (CM Suicune with Sleep Talk and Rest) and otherwise wreck havoc and be unpredictable. What I meant by wall is to come in, take the hit, take another hit, and then ruin the enemy by Yawn or Encore, depending on what it is. Milotic doesn't really stand a chance. If it falls asleep, I switch in Zapdos. Yeah. You can guess what happens to Milotic after a while. Gyarados is varying.

@Eric: I was confused in the topic arrangements, so it's my bad. Sorry.

Some results from battling...
Quagsire has carried the team to victory on more than one occasion, wrecking Dragonites and Heatrans threatening to sweep.
 
Lol you say that it can EQ Heatran "ftw", and then you mention that it might carry HP Grass. Hp grass is very common on lead Heatrans, since most are either LO or Specs. So either way you should be switching out of a Lead Tran anyways.

You also didnt mention Recover at all which is maybe the only reason someone would use Quaqsire over Swampert in the first place.

Overall this is a pretty terrible set and your reasons as to why it is effective make no sense at all.
 
"hooray for encore"

There are much better way to abuse Encore than a Pokemon with terrible stats. Hell, even the Pokemon that are good at Encoring stuff in the lead position rarely use it (mainly Infernape, though there's also Machamp) because there's better stuff for them to be doing. Just because there's nothing better for Quagsire to be doing doesn't meanyou should use it.
 
Encore is not an excuse to use Quaggy as a lead. He has other Niche's in OU (like checking Starmie O_O).

Infernape and Machamp both get Encore and are better users of it. Hell, Cacturne is a better Encore abuser with Focus Punch / Sucker Punch / D-Bond / Spikes potential or whatever.
 
Those who asked for logs: I have 2 ready.
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Self-KO Clause, Soul Dew Clause Avanis sent out Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf). lionsword7 sent out Squishy (lvl 100 Quagsire ♂). Azelf used Stealth Rock. Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team! Squishy used Aqua Tail. Azelf lost 64% of its health.
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Avanis switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ♂). lionsword7 switched in Crunchy (lvl 100 Tyranitar ♂). Crunchy's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm! A sandstorm brewed! Pointed stones dug into Crunchy. Crunchy lost 12% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Vaporeon is buffetted by the sandstorm! Vaporeon lost 6% of its health. Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little! Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
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Avanis switched in Togekiss (lvl 100 Togekiss ♂). Crunchy used Stone Edge. It's super effective! Togekiss lost 100% of its health. Avanis's Togekiss fainted. The sandstorm rages.
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Avanis switched in Rotom-c (lvl 100 Rotom-c). Eternal: Smogon is not adding Gen 5 Pokemon right now. Avanis switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ♂). lionsword7 switched in Zappy (lvl 100 Zapdos). Zappy is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Zappy. Zappy lost 25% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Vaporeon is buffetted by the sandstorm! Vaporeon lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little! Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
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Vaporeon used Protect. Vaporeon protected itself! Zappy used Hidden Power. Vaporeon protected itself! The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Vaporeon is buffetted by the sandstorm! Vaporeon lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. Vaporeon's leftovers restored its health a little! Vaporeon restored 6% of its health.
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Avanis switched in Lucario (lvl 100 Lucario ♂). Zappy used Thunderbolt. Lucario lost 61% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health.
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lionsword7 switched in Buggy (lvl 100 Forretress ♂). Pointed stones dug into Buggy. Buggy lost 12% of its health. Lucario used Extremespeed. It's not very effective... Buggy lost 12% of its health. Lucario lost 10% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Buggy's leftovers restored its health a little! Buggy restored 6% of its health.
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Lucario used Swords Dance. Lucario's attack was sharply raised. Buggy used Stealth Rock. Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team! The sandstorm rages. Buggy's leftovers restored its health a little! Buggy restored 6% of its health.
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Lucario used Close Combat. Buggy lost 88% of its health. lionsword7's Buggy fainted. Lucario's defence was lowered. Lucario's special defence was lowered. Lucario lost 10% of its health. The sandstorm rages.
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lionsword7 switched in Choppy (lvl 100 Scizor ♀). Pointed stones dug into Choppy. Choppy lost 12% of its health. Avanis switched in Vaporeon (lvl 100 Vaporeon ♂). Pointed stones dug into Vaporeon. Vaporeon lost 12% of its health. Choppy used U-turn. A critical hit! Vaporeon lost 87% of its health. Avanis's Vaporeon fainted. lionsword7 switched in Squishy (lvl 100 Quagsire ♂). Pointed stones dug into Squishy. Squishy lost 6% of its health. The sandstorm rages.
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Avanis switched in Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf). Pointed stones dug into Azelf. Azelf lost 12% of its health.
Azelf used U-turn. Squishy lost 23% of its health. Avanis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ♀). Pointed stones dug into Blissey. Blissey lost 12% of its health. Squishy used Aqua Tail. Blissey lost 34% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm! Blissey lost 6% of its health. Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little! Blissey restored 6% of its health. Blissey used Softboiled. Blissey restored 47% of its health. Squishy used Earthquake. Blissey lost 36% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm! Blissey lost 6% of its health. Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little! Blissey restored 6% of its health. Blissey used Softboiled. Blissey restored 36% of its health. Squishy used Encore. Blissey got an encore! The sandstorm rages. Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm! Blissey lost 6% of its health. Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little! Blissey restored 6% of its health. Avanis switched in Rotom-c (lvl 100 Rotom-c). Pointed stones dug into Rotom-c. Rotom-c lost 12% of its health. lionsword7 switched in Angry (lvl 100 Gyarados ♀). Angry's Intimidate cut Rotom-c's attack! Pointed stones dug into Angry. Angry lost 25% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Angry is buffetted by the sandstorm! Angry lost 6% of its health. Rotom-c is buffetted by the sandstorm! Rotom-c lost 6% of its health. Angry's leftovers restored its health a little! Angry restored 6% of its health. Rotom-c's leftovers restored its health a little! Rotom-c restored 6% of its health.
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lionsword7 switched in Zappy (lvl 100 Zapdos). Zappy is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Zappy. Zappy lost 25% of its health. Rotom-c used Thunderbolt. Zappy lost 35% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Rotom-c is buffetted by the sandstorm! Rotom-c lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. Rotom-c's leftovers restored its health a little! Rotom-c restored 6% of its health.
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Zappy used Roost. Zappy restored 50% of its health. Rotom-c used Thunderbolt. It's not very effective... Zappy lost 15% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Rotom-c is buffetted by the sandstorm! Rotom-c lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. Rotom-c's leftovers restored its health a little! Rotom-c restored 6% of its health.
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Zappy used Roost. Zappy restored 50% of its health. Rotom-c used Shadow Ball. Zappy lost 27% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Rotom-c is buffetted by the sandstorm! Rotom-c lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. Rotom-c's leftovers restored its health a little! Rotom-c restored 6% of its health.
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Avanis switched in Lucario (lvl 100 Lucario ♂). Pointed stones dug into Lucario. Lucario lost 3% of its health. Zappy used Roost. Zappy restored 28% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health.
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Lucario used Close Combat. It's not very effective... Zappy lost 26% of its health. Lucario's defence was lowered. Lucario's special defence was lowered. Lucario lost 10% of its health. Zappy used Heat Wave. It's super effective! Lucario lost 6% of its health. Avanis's Lucario fainted. The sandstorm rages. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health.
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Avanis switched in Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf). Pointed stones dug into Azelf. Azelf lost 12% of its health.
Azelf used Explosion. Zappy lost 74% of its health. lionsword7's Zappy fainted. Azelf lost 11% of its health. Avanis's Azelf fainted. The sandstorm rages.
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Avanis switched in Rotom-c (lvl 100 Rotom-c). lionsword7 switched in Crunchy (lvl 100 Tyranitar ♂). Pointed stones dug into Rotom-c. Rotom-c lost 12% of its health. Crunchy's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm! Pointed stones dug into Crunchy. Crunchy lost 12% of its health. Rotom-c used Leaf Storm. Rotom-c's attack missed! Crunchy used Stone Edge. A critical hit! Rotom-c lost 75% of its health. Avanis's Rotom-c fainted. The sandstorm rages.
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Avanis switched in Blissey (lvl 100 Blissey ♀). Pointed stones dug into Blissey. Blissey lost 12% of its health. Crunchy used Stone Edge. Blissey lost 77% of its health. Blissey used Thunder Wave. Crunchy is paralysed! It may be unable to move! The sandstorm rages. Blissey is buffetted by the sandstorm! Blissey lost 6% of its health. Blissey's leftovers restored its health a little! Blissey restored 6% of its health.
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Blissey used Softboiled. Blissey restored 50% of its health. Crunchy used Stone Edge. Blissey lost 60% of its health. Avanis's Blissey fainted. lionsword7 wins! Avanis has left the room. lionsword7: gg
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Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause, Self-KO Clause, Soul Dew Clause fica sent out Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf). lionsword7 sent out Squishy (lvl 100 Quagsire ♂). lionsword7 switched in Choppy (lvl 100 Scizor ♀). Azelf used Psychic. It's not very effective... Choppy lost 44% of its health.
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fica switched in Heatran (lvl 100 Heatran ♂). Choppy used U-turn. It's not very effective... Heatran lost 15% of its health. lionsword7 switched in Angry (lvl 100 Gyarados ♀). Angry's Intimidate cut Heatran's attack!
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fica switched in Suicune (lvl 100 Suicune). Suicune is exerting its pressure! Angry used Earthquake. Suicune lost 26% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health.
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lionsword7 switched in Squishy (lvl 100 Quagsire ♂). Suicune used Calm Mind. Suicune's special attack was raised. Suicune's special defence was raised. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health.
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Suicune used Calm Mind. Suicune's special attack was raised. Suicune's special defence was raised. Squishy used Yawn. Suicune became drowsy! Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health.
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And then we went into a long trade off between Quag and Suicune. I think Heatran and another pokemon died somewhere in between of this…
Zappy lost 6% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. Suicune used Ice Beam. It's super effective! Zappy lost 68% of its health. Zappy used Thunderbolt. It's super effective! Suicune lost 43% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Suicune is buffetted by the sandstorm! Suicune lost 6% of its health. Zappy is buffetted by the sandstorm! Zappy lost 6% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. Zappy's leftovers restored its health a little! Zappy restored 6% of its health. lionsword7 switched in Choppy (lvl 100 Scizor ♀). Pointed stones dug into Choppy. Choppy lost 12% of its health. Suicune used Ice Beam. It's not very effective... Choppy lost 21% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Suicune is buffetted by the sandstorm! Suicune lost 6% of its health. Suicune's leftovers restored its health a little! Suicune restored 6% of its health. Choppy used Bullet Punch. It's not very effective... Suicune lost 19% of its health. Suicune used Hidden Power. Choppy lost 23% of its health. lionsword7's Choppy fainted. The sandstorm rages. Suicune is buffetted by the sandstorm! Suicune lost 2% of its health. fica's Suicune fainted. fica switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ♂). lionsword7 switched in Buggy (lvl 100 Forretress ♂). Pointed stones dug into Flygon. Flygon lost 6% of its health. Pointed stones dug into Buggy. Buggy lost 12% of its health. Flygon used U-turn. It's not very effective... Buggy lost 7% of its health. fica switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ♂). Pointed stones dug into Gengar. Gengar lost 12% of its health. Buggy used Rapid Spin. It doesn't affect Gengar... The sandstorm rages. Gengar is buffetted by the sandstorm! Gengar lost 6% of its health. Buggy's leftovers restored its health a little! Buggy restored 6% of its health. Gengar used Focus Blast. Buggy lost 53% of its health. Gengar lost 10% of its health. Buggy used Payback. It's super effective! Gengar lost 24% of its health. fica's Gengar fainted. The sandstorm rages. Buggy's leftovers restored its health a little! Buggy restored 6% of its health. fica switched in Azelf (lvl 100 Azelf). Pointed stones dug into Azelf. Azelf lost 12% of its health. Azelf used Grass Knot. It's not very effective... Buggy lost 11% of its health. Buggy used Payback. It's super effective! Azelf lost 63% of its health. The sandstorm rages. Azelf is buffetted by the sandstorm! Azelf lost 6% of its health. Buggy's leftovers restored its health a little! Buggy restored 6% of its health. Azelf used Grass Knot. It's not very effective... Buggy lost 9% of its health. lionsword7's Buggy fainted. The sandstorm rages. Azelf is buffetted by the sandstorm! Azelf lost 6% of its health. lionsword7 switched in Squishy (lvl 100 Quagsire ♂). Pointed stones dug into Squishy. Squishy lost 6% of its health. lionsword7 switched in Zappy (lvl 100 Zapdos). Zappy is exerting its pressure! Pointed stones dug into Zappy. Zappy lost 7% of its health. lionsword7's Zappy fainted. Azelf used Grass Knot. But there was no target! The sandstorm rages. Azelf is buffetted by the sandstorm! Azelf lost 6% of its health. lionsword7 switched in Squishy (lvl 100 Quagsire ♂). Pointed stones dug into Squishy. Squishy lost 6% of its health. Azelf used Grass Knot. It's super effective! Squishy lost 14% of its health. lionsword7's Squishy fainted. The sandstorm rages. Azelf is buffetted by the sandstorm! Azelf lost 0% of its health. fica's Azelf fainted.
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fica switched in Flygon (lvl 100 Flygon ♂). lionsword7 switched in Angry (lvl 100 Gyarados ♀). Pointed stones dug into Flygon. Flygon lost 6% of its health. Angry's Intimidate cut Flygon's attack! Pointed stones dug into Angry. Angry lost 21% of its health. lionsword7's Angry fainted. lionsword7 switched in Crunchy (lvl 100 Tyranitar ♂). Crunchy's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm! Pointed stones dug into Crunchy. Crunchy lost 12% of its health. Flygon used Earthquake. It's super effective! Crunchy lost 51% of its health. Crunchy used Aqua Tail. Flygon lost 67% of its health. The sandstorm rages.
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Flygon used Earthquake. It's super effective! Crunchy lost 36% of its health. lionsword7's Crunchy fainted. fica wins! fica has left the room.
And if you guys have ANY suggestions on movesets, please do.
 
encore is a fantastic move for a lead, this quaggy CAN do something, what are you talking about?

Sure, they can SR, but you encore it and that means you gain at least one free turn. If they taunt, they get SR up and you have switched in the counter to their lead or a set upper that can abuse a free turn as they switch or something.

This isn't without merit, but I think it MAY serve better in UU; if Quaggy can have a nice in uber, surely someone can find use for him in OU. Recover/encore alone make him better than pert for various tasks.

The issue is that Quagsire doesn't have anything to abuse said free turn with! Sure you can switch as they switch too, but then all you've gained yourself is a double switch. Alternatively you could yawn as they switch, but they'll just switch again-- completely unhampered due to the lack of SR. Revealing 2 extra pokemon (and maybe only 1 if he switches straight back to his lead), and maybe getting in 1 attack from Quagsire's poor offensive stats (with no item boost to boot), is not an even exchange for letting the enemy get SR up imo.
 
WHY would someone switch out after being Taunted, THEN switch to a THIRD Pokemon after being yawned? Why not just got back to the original? It will never work.

It seems interesting, but bulky waters just aren't enough of a threat in OU to justify it. Quagsire's cool in Ubers, though.
 
Bulky waters are a huge threat-- Gyarados? Suicune? Kingdra? Empoleon? Starmie? Quagsire is not a threat. :/ It just doesn't do anything scary, which is why the free turn becomes irrelevant . . .
 
Bulky waters are a huge threat-- Gyarados? Suicune? Kingdra? Empoleon? Starmie? Quagsire is not a threat. :/ It just doesn't do anything scary, which is why the free turn becomes irrelevant . . .

Let me correct myself: They aren't an unchecked threat. They have plenty of better counters out there.

Also, Starmie isn't a bulky Water. Kingdra might be, depending on the set. But Water does not equal bulky. OU Water, however, tends to mean bulky. It's just not THAT general of a term.

Sorry, but I'm a grammar/language Nazi. :P
 
Starmie has 70/85/85 defenses, sometimes invested, and access to Recover. I think it counts.

Anyway, I stand by my previous statements, and ChouToshio is spot on too. "what does this achieve". Encore and Yawn force switches, but so does Roar from Swampert, and it does so far more reliably than terrible Quagsire does.
 
So he'd function better as a supporter, not a lead? Like forcing switches after SR is up?
Also, you guys are forgetting something. As a lead, he doesn't yawn, yawn, and yawn. No OU pokemon (yet) has both Encore and Yawn AND an excellent typing (and ability) like his. He will act differently on different leads. Bronzong? Aqua Tail, Encore the set-up move. Switch to the stealth rocker and set-up or just plain set-up. Azelf? Completely a luck of the draw, but I usually just switch to Scizor for a U-turn or risk a Grass Knot. If it taunts, beat it to death. Metagross? Encore the SR.
And those forced switches may save my butt from that Gyarados using DD.
 
The fact that Quagsire has access to Yawn and Encore doesn't make it a great lead, at all. What does it accomplish? What does it stop? You must bear in mind that a lead needs to be useful on the whole, not just be able to do a couple of things. As stated by others, this Pokemon is just bad to use in the lead position.

Feel free to look at the onsite leads that we currently have in order to see what is expected from a Pokemon to function properly in this position. And don't hesitate to try again in the future. Locking.
 
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