Golduck (Lead)

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Tested quite a bit and amazing. Maybe it could have a remotely interesting name.

With permission, I would like to call this set "Leading Duck."

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Golduck

[SET]

name: Lead
move 1: Hydro Pump
move 2: Hidden Power Grass
move 3: Aqua Jet
move 4: Encore
item: Focus Sash
Ability: Cloud Nine
Nature: Modest
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 Def / 252 Spe

why this set should be on sight

-One of the strongest Hydro Pumps in UU
-Can easily finish off frail pokemon with Aqua Jet
-Can Encore stealth rock or a screen to get a free turn
-Can stop spike-stacking with Yawn
-Hidden Power Grass destroys Quagisire and does good damage to water types
-Will not get it's sash broken due to Cloud Nine.

additional comments

-Magic Coat to beat sleep inducers
-Lum Berry does the same to a lesser extent
-Light Screen
-Damp can prevent Explosion which is best found in leading
-Life Orb
-Maybe Yawn
 
Ok thanks. If there any changes feel free to edit them into your post (or post again, just thinking edits are more efficient). Also, I was thinking about a Rash nature if using Focus Sash to make up for the loss in power for Aqua Jet maybe? Just a theorymon.

Logs n' Stuff will be added to the original post ASAP (or here possibly)

EDIT- Here are the Logs n' Stuff. It made the OP look a bit messy, so they are here.

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Logs, calcs, and all those other fun things you won't read. The important parts will be in Navy Blue.

The unique ID for this battle is {2010-10-19-15:51:22-1}.
Dink sent out Alakazam (lvl 100 Alakazam ♂)!
-Charmander- sent out Golduck (lvl 100 Golduck ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #1
Alakazam used Taunt!
Golduck fell for the taunt!
Golduck used Hydro Pump!
A critical hit!
Alakazam lost 100% of its health!
Alakazam hung on using its Focus Sash!
===============
Begin turn #2
Golduck used Aqua Jet!
Alakazam lost 0% of its health!
Alakazam fainted!
Dink sent out Azumarill (lvl 100 Azumarill ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #3
-Charmander- withdrew Golduck!
-Charmander- sent out Qwilfish (lvl 100 Qwilfish ♂)!
Azumarill used Return!
Qwilfish lost 67% of its health!
Azumarill was poisoned!
Qwilfish's Poison Point poisoned Azumarill!
Qwilfish's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish regained 6% of its health!
Azumarill is hurt by poison!
Azumarill lost 12% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #4
Qwilfish used Pain Split!
Qwilfish regained 33% of its health!
Azumarill lost 27% of its health!
Azumarill used Return!
Qwilfish lost 68% of its health!
Qwilfish's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish regained 6% of its health!
Azumarill is hurt by poison!
Azumarill lost 12% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #5
Qwilfish used Poison Jab!
A critical hit!
Azumarill lost 47% of its health!
Azumarill fainted!
Qwilfish's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Qwilfish regained 6% of its health!
@-Charmander-: :/
Dink sent out Moltres (lvl 100 Moltres)!
Moltres is exerting its Pressure!
===============
Begin turn #6
Moltres used Flamethrower!
It's not very effective...
Qwilfish lost 15% of its health!
Qwilfish fainted!
-Charmander- sent out Houndoom (lvl 100 Houndoom ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #7
Houndoom used Nasty Plot!
Houndoom's special attack was sharply raised!
Moltres used Substitute!
Moltres lost 25% of its health!
Moltres made a substitute!
Moltres's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Moltres regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #8
Houndoom used Dark Pulse!
Moltres's substitute took damage for it!
Moltres's substitute faded!
Moltres used Toxic!
Houndoom was badly poisoned!
Houndoom is hurt by poison!
Houndoom lost 6% of its health!
Moltres's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Moltres regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #9
Houndoom used Dark Pulse!
Moltres lost 87% of its health!
Moltres fainted!
Houndoom lost 9% of its health!
Houndoom is hurt by poison!
Houndoom lost 12% of its health!
Dink sent out Swellow (lvl 100 Swellow ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #10
Swellow used Protect!
Swellow protected itself!
Houndoom used Dark Pulse!
Swellow protected itself!
Swellow was badly poisoned!
Houndoom is hurt by poison!
Houndoom lost 18% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #11
Houndoom used Sucker Punch!
Swellow lost 75% of its health!
Houndoom lost 9% of its health!
Swellow used U-turn!
Houndoom lost 42% of its health!
Houndoom fainted!
Dink withdrew Swellow!
Dink sent out Primeape (lvl 100 Primeape ♂)!
Swellow went back to Dink!
-Charmander- sent out Kabutops (lvl 100 Kabutops ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #12
-Charmander- withdrew Kabutops!
-Charmander- sent out Rotom (lvl 100 Rotom)!
Primeape used Close Combat!
It doesn't affect Rotom...
===============
Begin turn #13
Dink withdrew Primeape!
Dink sent out Chansey (lvl 100 Chansey ♀)!
Rotom used Substitute!
Rotom lost 24% of its health!
Rotom made a substitute!
Rotom's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #14
Rotom used Thunderbolt!
Chansey lost 14% of its health!
Chansey used Wish!
Chansey made a wish!
Rotom's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom regained 6% of its health!
Chansey's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Chansey regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #15
Dink withdrew Chansey!
Dink sent out Swellow (lvl 100 Swellow ♂)!
Rotom used Pain Split!
Rotom lost 30% of its health!
Swellow regained 27% of its health!
The wish came true!
Swellow regained 47% of its health!
Swellow is hurt by poison!
Swellow lost 6% of its health!
Rotom's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #16
Swellow used Protect!
Swellow protected itself!
Rotom used Thunderbolt!
Swellow protected itself!
Swellow is hurt by poison!
Swellow lost 12% of its health!
Rotom's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #17
Swellow used U-turn!
It's not very effective...
Rotom's substitute took damage for it!
Dink withdrew Swellow!
Dink sent out Chansey (lvl 100 Chansey ♀)!
Swellow went back to Dink!
Rotom used Thunderbolt!
Chansey lost 14% of its health!
Rotom's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Rotom regained 6% of its health!
Chansey's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Chansey regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #18
Rotom used Pain Split!
Rotom regained 24% of its health!
Chansey lost 27% of its health!
Chansey used Wish!
Chansey made a wish!
Chansey's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Chansey regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #19
Dink withdrew Chansey!
Dink sent out Swellow (lvl 100 Swellow ♂)!
Rotom used Thunderbolt!
It's super effective!
Swellow lost 81% of its health!
Swellow fainted!
Dink sent out Primeape (lvl 100 Primeape ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #20
Primeape used Punishment!
It's super effective!
Rotom's substitute took damage for it!
Rotom's substitute faded!
Rotom used Shadow Ball!
Primeape lost 60% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #21
-Charmander- withdrew Rotom!
-Charmander- sent out Torterra (lvl 100 Torterra ♂)!
Primeape used Punishment!
Torterra lost 15% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #22
Dink withdrew Primeape!
Dink sent out Chansey (lvl 100 Chansey ♀)!
Torterra used Rock Polish!
Torterra's speed was sharply raised!
Chansey's Leftovers restored its health a little!
Chansey regained 6% of its health!
===============
Begin turn #23
Torterra used Wood Hammer!
Chansey lost 68% of its health!
Chansey fainted!
Torterra was hit by recoil!
Torterra lost 50% of its health!
Torterra lost 9% of its health!
Dink sent out Primeape (lvl 100 Primeape ♂)!
===============
Begin turn #24
Torterra used Earthquake!
Primeape lost 39% of its health!
Primeape fainted!
Torterra lost 9% of its health!
-Charmander- wins!
@Dink: gg
@-Charmander-: gg
 
I don't have any qualms with this set, but I'm a bit confused as to what it is supposed to do. Is it an Anti-lead? Is it an attacking lead? Is it an Anti-Weather lead? It'd be nice if you could say what this is supposed to accomplish.
 
Does Ice Beam actually accomplish anything specific besides Torterra? Because if so, Torterra leads aren't exactly common, and IIRC are 2HKO'ed by Hydro Pump anyway. You should remove it and put HP Grass there, as it murders the ever common Omastar leads. Also, Damp isn't a great ability in UU, Explosion isn't exactly common even on leads, and Cloud Nine will stop Rain Dance teams from setting up early in the match. I'd remove the mention of it, honestly.
 
Will there is a choice actually. Damp does stop Qwilfish, but thats not as common as the others I guess, so yea I think Cloud Nine should be the primary slash.

Also, would a bulkier spread be possible?
 
Alright i have been testing this out for a while and Ice Beam didn't do much. Replace Ice Beam with HP Grass. Doing this will allow you to both destroy OMaster, and Cloyster while also being able to run Encore in the last slot.
 
I second (or third) the notion of replacing Ice Beam with HP Grass and Encore in the last slot. This Golduck does what it is supposed well (for me), but can't do much else. It's nigh impossible to bring back in later in the match. Its purpose isn't to come back in, just to lead, but there's nothing wrong with going above and beyond.

Anyway, this is a good anti-lead/anti-weather lead, and definitely doesn't fail in its duties.
 
Yeah I 4th the above^

But asides from that I love the set (even more considering it one of my favourite Pokes and definetly deserves more usage)

I will be battling with it on Pokelba soon and hopefully provide some logs

[Space for logs show/hide tab]

Also, teammates and counters?
 
Lol, HP Grass it is. Also, whoever mentioned what Golduck is supposed to do: The goal of this set is the defeat common leads in UU without a scratch (or if they attack you, they don't get stealth rock). Mostly to stop early-game setup or start yourself up with a nice 6-5 lead. Also Golduck can come in later in the game and Encore things like Clefable, Chansey, Spiritomb, etc.

edit: Put Life Orb in the AC because Focus Sash isn't broken by Weather, making it the superior choice.

double edit: I saw a few more things so I will address them one by one.

@Bartman101: Thanks for the nice comments, and your fourth is now been added to the set.

@SlimMan: thanks again for the nice comments.

@The Cicada: read above lol.

@EonADS: onnce again, changed =/

@Sensible: I gave a responce to your's above.
 
I'm not sold on this. This lead doesn't really do anything. It can't really prevent entry hazards from being set up, and it can't set up its own entry hazards (or anything else). There's nothing wrong with a lead that just attacks, but Golduck is fairly weak and walled rather easily, especially considering in this case, it's only utilizing two-move coverage.
 
Now that I think about it, your right about not being able to stop setup, but it's niche is being able to KO leads, not stop them from setting up I guess.

Some of these calcs might show you Golduck's power

Golduck get's quite a few more KOs with Life Orb than Focus Sash though, so that might be the primeare slash. these calcs are all Life Orb.

Hydro Pump on 0/4 Ambipom: 108.2% - 127.8% (OHKO)
Hydro Pump on 252/4 Uxie: 50.3% - 59.6% (2HKO)
Hydro Pump on 52/0 Mesprit: 68.8% - 81.2% (2HKO)
Hydro Pump on 252/252 +nature Registeel: 33.2% - 39.6% (4HKO with Leftovers, 3HKO with Occa Berry, Shed Shell, or whatever)
Hydro Pump on 0/4 Scyther: 96.4% - 113.5% (Very high chance to OHKO)

So I'm sorry, but I will have to disagree that Golduck is "Weak." Although it does fail to block hazards, it's still a very good pokemon to lead with. But seriously, it 2HKOs Uxie!
 
Ambipom Fake Outs and U-Turns, Scyther U-Turns, and everything else sets up their hazards and switches. Golduck is still walled fairly easily, and the point of a pure attacking lead is to maintain pressure on an opponent through coverage and power. There is a reason why there aren't many pure-attacking UU leads (notice that most offensive leads run either hazards or Taunt). Aside from Scyther, who has U-turn to preserve momentum, Moltres is the only one I can think off of the top of my head, and its usage has been steadily declining.

For these reasons, I am going to reject this set, sorry.

QC Rejected 1/2
 
Ok. Thanks anyway though, you gave your reasons and you have every right to reject =). Assuming everyone is going to agree with you, I would like this locked please.
 
-Charmander-, when you assume things...... you know the saying, I'm sure. Wait for it to be rejected twice before locking. :(
 
=/ I played with the set some more and it was horrible. QC members are smart enough to know this set isn't up to par. Blastoise is probably a better alternative, and the set is already on-sight. Furthermore, if anyone actually approves this set, I would not like to write the analysis.
 
This set is by no means horrible terrible, but it just has to face the things Eo mentioned and doesn't really excel as an anti-lead, sorry.

QC Rejected 2/2
 
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