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Gen 3 ADV NU Viability Ranking

Discussion in 'Ruins of Alph' started by Oglemi, Apr 1, 2014.

  1. Oglemi

    Oglemi We broke it. Yes, we were naughty. Completely naughty.
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    I wasn't going to do this initially, but then I figured why not. You guys know the drill by now. This is all assuming that I've dropped the Pokemon into the tier that I thought should be.

    S Rank: Reserved for the top threats in the NU metagame. These Pokemon are usually able to perform a variety of roles effectively, or can just do one extremely well with little to no extra support. Their use has low risk involved and high reward exerted. Pokemon in this tier have very few flaws that are patched up by numerous positive traits.

    Top:

    • [​IMG] Hitmonchan
    Mid:

    • [​IMG] Chimecho
    • [​IMG] Huntail
    • [​IMG] Mawile
    • [​IMG] Tangela
    Low:
    • [​IMG] Haunter
    • [​IMG] Vigoroth
    • [​IMG] Whiscash
    A Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are outstanding in the NU metagame and can sweep, wall, or support the majority of the tier. These Pokemon require less support than other Pokemon to be used effectively, but still perform less consistently than the average S rank Pokemon. A rank Pokemon have few flaws that can be overlooked when compared to their positive traits.

    Top:


    • [​IMG] Arbok
    • [​IMG] Bellossom
    • [​IMG] Glalie
    • [​IMG] Murkrow
    • [​IMG] Pidgeot
    • [​IMG] Plusle
    • [​IMG] Roselia
    • [​IMG] Swalot
    Mid:

    • [​IMG] Cacturne
    • [​IMG] Graveler
    • [​IMG] Kecleon
    • [​IMG] Lickitung
    • [​IMG] Pelipper
    • [​IMG] Sudowoodo
    Low:

    • [​IMG] Flareon
    • [​IMG] Kingler
    • [​IMG] Pupitar
    • [​IMG] Raticate
    • [​IMG] Torkoal
    B Rank: Reserved for Pokemon who are slightly above average in the NU metagame. These Pokemon have more notable flaws than of those above it that affects how they function in the tier. Their positive traits still outshine their negatives, but they require a bit more team support to bring out their full potential

    Top:
    • [​IMG] Machoke
    • [​IMG] Minun
    • [​IMG] Metang
    • [​IMG] Relicanth
    • [​IMG] Seadra
    Mid:
    • [​IMG] Crawdaunt
    • [​IMG] Dewgong
    • [​IMG] Golbat
    • [​IMG] Piloswine
    • [​IMG] Venomoth
    • [​IMG] Wailord
    Low:
    • [​IMG] Dunsparce
    • [​IMG] Lairon
    • [​IMG] Magcargo
    • [​IMG] Octillery
    • [​IMG] Sableye
    • [​IMG] Seviper
    • [​IMG] Shuckle

    C Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that have notable niches in the NU metagame, but have just as notable flaws that prevent them from being top tier threats. Pokemon in the C tier often require significant support to be as effective as higher ranked Pokemon in NU. C rank Pokemon tend to face a lot of competition with the more commonly used Pokemon.

    Top:

    • [​IMG] Charmeleon
    • [​IMG] Noctowl
    • [​IMG] Shelgon
    • [​IMG] Togetic
    • [​IMG] Tropius
    • [​IMG] Wigglytuff
    Mid:

    • [​IMG] Ariados
    • [​IMG] Dustox
    • [​IMG] Furret
    • [​IMG] Grovyle
    • [​IMG] Mightyena
    • [​IMG] Parasect
    • [​IMG] Shedinja
    • [​IMG] Sunflora
    • [​IMG] Yanma
    Low:

    • [​IMG] Beedrill
    • [​IMG] Diglett
    • [​IMG] Illumise
    • [​IMG] Ledian
    • [​IMG] Pikachu
    • [​IMG] Seaking
    • [​IMG] Volbeat
    D Rank: Reserved for Pokemon that are below average in the NU metagame. These Pokemon often require very significant amounts of support with a relatively low reward compared to higher ranked Pokemon.


    Top:
    • [​IMG] Aipom
    • [​IMG] Butterfree
    • [​IMG] Castform
    • [​IMG] Corsola
    • [​IMG] Delibird
    • [​IMG] Masquerain
    • [​IMG] Nosepass
    Mid:
    • [​IMG] Beautifly
    • [​IMG] Delcatty
    • [​IMG] Farfetch'd
    • [​IMG] Spinda
    • [​IMG] Trapinch
    Low:

    • [​IMG] Ditto
    • [​IMG] Luvdisc
    • [​IMG] Unown

    Untested Rank: Reserved for pokemon that might have niches, but havent been sufficiently tested. Post your experiences with them here so we can give them a tier.
    and now onto: THE RULES.

    ~Rules~
    ~Only nominate viable Pokemon. We are not going to put every legal Pokemon in NU on the list. There is no reason to put stuff that no one will ever use.
    ~Post intelligently. Posts like "I think pokemon X should be in this tier" will not be tolerated
    ~No flaming
    ~No talk about editing the OFFICIAL smogon tier lists.
    ~Only pokemon in NU are up for nomination, pokemon in higher tiers are not allowed to be nominated, this should be common sense but lol someone nommed nidoking for S rank.
    Last edited: Apr 1, 2014
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  2. Ash Borer

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    why is raticate ranked so low? It's the fastest pokemon in the tier iirc, and it hits like a truck with Cb Double Edge. Beyond that it has some versatility being a pretty dangerous reversal sweeper able to feasibly use a liechi due to its blazing speed. I haven't played this meta much, only in testing with some friends, but it seems like RAticate is a real force of nature.
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  3. Oglemi

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    Raticate is really good, hence the A rank, but it's mostly outclassed by Vigoroth, who can mostly do what it can and so much more. Vigoroth is slightly slower and misses out on outspeeding the birds, plusle, and haunter, but Bulk Up, STAB Flail with Reversal in tow, and an insane stallbreaker movepool just makes it better.

    Raticate can probably go up to mid or high A, I don't really have a problem with that, but it's stopped cold by nearly every Rock and Steel like the birds without having a Ground and Spikes immunity and a STAB Flying move to use.
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  4. meteor64

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    Any reason why Togetic isn't on here? It seems like far from the worst NU mon, although it does overlap with Chimecho a fair bit.
  5. Oglemi

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    Nope, just overlooked it, I'll add it in 9.9
  6. M Dragon

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    Pupitar could be a bit higher
  7. Oglemi

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    I've just been unimpressed with Pupitar because it has so many checks in the tier, like every other Rock. I get for late-game it can be terrifying because it suddenly becomes the fastest Pokemon in the tier while retaining the same relative power as the Choice Band Rock-types at +1, but shit like Pelipper, Bellossom, Tangela, Huntail, bulky Kingler, etc etc all still check it. If it gets to +2 that's a whole different story, but I have yet to encounter a situation where that would be possible outside of screen support from Metang/Wigglytuff.

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