NOC Bard's College Mafia - Day Three

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Jalmont said:
also bTw i didn't mention that the past 8 million NOCs have not begun as Texas has said which is the sort of misrepresentation that makes his argument as to pushing inactives valid scummy to me
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literally the last noc we mislynched d1 and d2 while scum kept relatively quiet

ocnoc we mislynched d1 and d2 while scum mostly kept quiet

idr the one with yeti but i think scum played under the radar?

this has been my experience
 
i don't like the look of jalmont keeping the net of suspicion wide with his posts and its something i inherently see as scummy but i'm also pretty sure its in his meta which is kind of annoying
 
i dont want to talk about past games because it's unhelpful and irrelevant but legit all of the past NOCs have been really close in my experience...if by last NOC u are talking about the one u were in with matrix12 well that town was abysmal for a lot of reasons other than pushing inactives.....

why dont u propose an "inactive" u want to vote in that case then? honestly im at a point where i say fk it, lets just vote off of who has the least amount of posts in the thread. i would actually get behind that as a strategy moving forward
 
While we're talking about previous NOCs I'd just like to point out that I was amazing in WWII

I'm always of the opinion that lynching inactives D1 is kinda bleh and I always prefer lynching someone who has been scummy as a method of checking connections and gaining information

Also I'd be down for a granny pie lynch but bldody is still scum
 
I think the rationale is that we shouldn't allow scum!inactives to get away with doing nothing. I'm backing Texas on this one, and although I agree with the posts being inflated, I do think the content is real and not particularly scummy.

re bluedoom: Aura Guardian's vote was bad for reasons I explained, which you seem to have ignored. And you townread them for "having a good case", which is essentially a sheep to yours, which means you basically just indirectly called your own case good as a way to throw shade at me, which I don't think is the best approach to find scum.

I'm fine with a Granny Pie lynch, but I'd say I'd prefer to keep pressure up on Aura Guardian for now, and give BLOODY a chance since he said he'll pick back up after some passivity.


Also if it wasn't clear, me questioning Haruno about "prophet" was a meme answer to his meme claim, I did indeed read about this game being all JOATs.

"Mostly the link when another is pressured" is not really enough elaboration and you haven't answered why you think it's the case rather than just a bunch of townreads protecting each other. Are you blinded by the vote on you?
 
Vote Count 3, Day One

Champ1604(2): mxmts, Aura Guardian
Granny Pie(2): Champ1604, Prophylaxis
Hitmonleet(1): Haruno
Haruno(1): Hitmonleet
BLOODYRAIN1001(1): MeowMIXXX
jalmont(1): Texas Cloverleaf
mxmts(1): jalmont
Tonithetourguide(1): Granny Pie
Aura Guardian(1): XnadrojX
Haruno(1): Earlio
XnadrojX(1): bluedoom
MeowMIXXX(1): Former Hope

Not voting: BLOODYRAIN1001, ItsViper482, KnightsOfCydonia, MoodyCloud, shubaka17, tonithetourguide

future vcs should have much more reasonable delays in between, sorry

deadline is in 12 hours, 22 minutes
 
I'm always leaning scum in these NOC's. I've only been in 3, and I've been town in all three. I'm sorry for looking like a scummy bloke. I'm not good with original ideas on reading others. I'm mostly here to vote with my town mates.

But with the little experience that I've had, I've noticed a strong correlation. The most active mafia are the ones with pressure on them. Town activoty usually doesn't pick up from their activity before being under pressure. Who's acting the most under pressure right now? Who's desperately trying to read everyone on Day 1, trying to make it seem like he is still formulating thoughts?
Unvote/Vote Prophylaxis
Townspeople don't act like this Day 1. They read one or two, the most obvious people. This kind of towny behavior is expected and applauded later, but right now? It's a suspicious combination of conjecture, uselessness, and looking busy.
 
Earlio
Only one post with content - doesn't like XnadrojX's reads, and isn't sure about the champ votes.
Read: Semi-Idling and scummy, trying to pass off as a semi-idler.

BLOODYRAIN10001
Okay, yes, I did like bluedoom while voting someone for buddying. Figured mxmts is too defensive for town. Also wants my reads on the first (see later in this post for 2nd; I wrote this from bottom user to top) triad I mentioned.
Read: Really depends on the champ triads, but for now I can't really figure them out.

Aura Guardian
me.

Prophylaxis
RVS, then anti that claim thing. Pressures mxmts, calls out former not unvoting despite liking my opening. Then is quick to notice Champ's odd behavior. Talks to me regarding something I missed, and is generally quick to call out useless fluff from others. Ooh, comments on Champ beign a main response to their mxmts vote. Seems to be actively engaging individuals in talk to suss out their reasoning better, but moving from one to another - to maximize the minimum information each person gives? Definitely wants everyone to wield their vote, and applies pressure to enforce that. Calls out Earlio for a lot of fluff. Pressures Moody for answers. Not 100% on their read of Former Hope townie b/c of that crackpot theory. Leery of champ wagon later. Puts up a megareadlist. Votes Grannie Pie right after, joining Champ on that vote. Against voting mxmts right now.
Read: A big question mark for now. But the most mentions otehr than direct interaction appears to be Champ and mxmts.

So, I still want a Champ lynch, because they're now part of two triads, and are acting scummy.

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I'll see about revisiting my reasoning for the first trio.
 
Wait, I missed a couple Earlio posts with content. Read upgrades to neutral, because the whole active enough to not be noticed for inactivity but not active enough to be noticed for activity or to slip thing no longer applies.
 
I'm not changing my vote off of Haruno until they start talking, otherwise they just meme their way through the game and end up wasting one of the later days when town inevitably lynches them based off of the fact that they're "Not contributing". So like, do some stuff or something so we don't waste any time on trying to figure your memes out (like that time you claimed france via an anime gif)
 
Granny Pie said:
I'm always leaning scum in these NOC's. I've only been in 3, and I've been town in all three. I'm sorry for looking like a scummy bloke. I'm not good with original ideas on reading others. I'm mostly here to vote with my town mates.

But with the little experience that I've had, I've noticed a strong correlation. The most active mafia are the ones with pressure on them. Town activoty usually doesn't pick up from their activity before being under pressure. Who's acting the most under pressure right now? Who's desperately trying to read everyone on Day 1, trying to make it seem like he is still formulating thoughts?
Unvote/Vote Prophylaxis
Townspeople don't act like this Day 1. They read one or two, the most obvious people. This kind of towny behavior is expected and applauded later, but right now? It's a suspicious combination of conjecture, uselessness, and looking busy.
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I'm still catching up but I can smell Granny's rotten OMGUS from here.

I actually wanna advise for protective shots for Proph because of how thoroughly he is scumhunting.

It does not sit well with me that Granny wants Proph out now, becuase trying to take out the biggest threat to them as early as possible is exactly what scum would want.

vote Granny Pie
 
Prophylaxis said:
shubaka17: No posts. Probably just going to get replaced or modkilled.

Former Hope: Pretty strong townread. I believe that he believes his scumread on toni based off of toni's responding 7 minutes later. Like, I don't know how much I actually believe it myself and I'm not keen to use OOG arguments like that to clear/condemn a player, but the amount of thinking Former would have to go through in order to fake that is scum is pretty incredible.

Meowmixx: Really concise poster, can't really get much out of them. Their posts do seem to be game-related, which I like. Ehh I actually like his second string of posts enough for me to upgrade that into a light townread. Seems to be engaging and offering their thoughts and working to understand Former over mudslinging them. Their questioning seems fine and is sort of similar to what I'm doing.

bluedoom: People are saying that bluedoom is townie, I.. am somewhat inclined to agree with them but he has the highest chance of being a potential deep wolf if I have to guess. Focuses on Champ; I like how he's still actively trying to interrogate Champ even though he's already scumreading him in 147. 148 is easily fakeable for scum, yeah, but I still like it. Overall on reread seems pretty good though I don't understand why he's dropping his Champ pressure in favor of xnadroj. He can be town, though read is subject to revision depending on how strong wolves play around here.

MoodyCloud: Really no idea on him. He posted some short one liners, didn't respond to me, didn't vote, and dipped out. Would actually be fine with pressure on him.

mxmts: Still kind of scumreading this slot but he might just be a newbie who is super confused with how mafia works. Still lurking and not providing a lot of content; lynching him would be a coinflip really wrt his actual alignment since I've mislynched my fair share of bad townies before.

Granny Pie: Devoid of content. Eh actually I wouldn't mind seeing this slot dead, their last couple of posts seems to be mindless bandwagonning and sheeping of the latest case around the block.

ItzViper482: ???? modkill/replace plz

Jalmont: Gun to head, probably just poorly playing town? The "my role sucks" and "I can't even remember the last time I was mislynched" feel like tonal townie markers to me. Easy to fake, sure, but they've worked for me in the past, hence the gun to head remark.

Texas: Am a fan of his later posts. Kind of like posts like 207 and I've liked his responses to my questions. The unvote/voting of Haruno and then Jalmont feels like townie deliberation to me. 171 I can probably buy as a genuine thought from Texas. Kind of same boat as bluedoom in that if there are well-playing scum in my townreads he's probably one to look at, but I like his posts and activity thus far.

Tonithetourguide: No idea on this one.

Champ: Would need to give another look-over of her posts when I'm more awake but my initial thought is to not lynch her Day 1, but re-examine her play on future Days because she's in a weird spot. I'm not really townreading anything she's /doing/, per se (144 I can sort of see coming from town if I squint) but I'm mostly townreading her based off of thread flow. I rarely see scum just allow 4 votes to pile up on a buddy, especially in a game this large. Feels more like they're engineering a mislynch. So yeah, town for now, but still gonna monitor this slot in future Days.

Hitmonleet: If Hitmonleet is scum and Champ is town, then Hitmonleet probably doesn't point out the 4 votes on Champ thing. Do they do that if they're scum/scum? Maybe? I don't really understand where his scumreading of me comes from either? Not really getting much from his posts; would love more content from him.

XnadrojX: IIoA stuff early game. Mostly he's just.. providing his opinions but not really taking the time to question others? Actually he questions others later in the Day. Feels like his 197 is the key to figuring out his alignment for now, since it's a lot of game relevant thoughts and a question, which is pretty good for this playerbase in my book, but I am not really getting reliable towntells or scumtells off of him. Like, if he's scum, he's playing a pretty safe game right now. Going to need to question him in order to get a better grip on his alignment.

Haruno: Lurker.

Knights: Can be town in my book? 32 feels like a genuine thought (wrt the tinfoiling) and I've liked his responses when he's engaged with me. The post I actually really liked is that he snapped at me for dismissing his scumhunting efforts as irrelevant; feels like the type of thing that scum!KoC doesn't get mad about, because he's obviously putting on a show, but town!KoC is annoyed about. So unless I'm misreading this he's good in my book.

Earlio: Can't really get a grip of his later posts; going to take a look again when I'm more awake and not finishing up this half an hour long post.

BloodyRain: Fine dismissing him as a weak townread who has a slightly difficult time getting into the game. Might end up taking a look at his posts later.

Aura Guardian: Liked him cranking out ISOs. Can soooort of agree with bluedoom though about the the unvote then revote? It's just.. kind of strange to do in general, but it does show that AG is trying to deliberate on things. Just kind of unsure at the moment if it's real or not. I'm really tired right now so all of these last couple of reads are getting ruined; I'll try to re-examine them later.

Prophylaxis: best town
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I like this post: It's not really full of fluff like a lot of readlists are.

The reason why I suspected you earlier was, frankly, because I'm forgetful. I forgot you were in The Thing mafia, so your responses, with lots of mafia slang and surprisingly well thought out with what I thought was your first game.

Texas Cloverleaf said:
Not sure if Jordan derpcleared or derpslipped
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I... don't think I get what you're saying here. IMO, that's really just NAI. Some clarification might be nice.

BLOODYRAIN10001 said:
it took me far too long to realize that Xnadrojx was using 'ping' to refer to scumtells and not me accidently using the inline ping on him, well then
Knights, that's not particularly your fault, don't worry about it
the push on FH seems eh, I personally don't think self-meta talk is a scumtell but you do you
I can sheep Meow's point on #160 after rereading the post, I don't like how Mx says it's "useless", there's clearly some importance in scumhunting Day 1, even if the tells themselves are weaker
not sure how #197 counts as either a clear or a slip, is there something I'm missing here on the implications of Xnod thinking the prophet is a form of JOAT (or something along those lines)
AG, mind showing the reads behind the buddying scumlink, I'm intrigued
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This post from Bloody reads town to me. Makes sense from what s/he's said from a town perspective.

Granny Pie said:
I'm always leaning scum in these NOC's. I've only been in 3, and I've been town in all three. I'm sorry for looking like a scummy bloke. I'm not good with original ideas on reading others. I'm mostly here to vote with my town mates.

But with the little experience that I've had, I've noticed a strong correlation. The most active mafia are the ones with pressure on them. Town activoty usually doesn't pick up from their activity before being under pressure. Who's acting the most under pressure right now? Who's desperately trying to read everyone on Day 1, trying to make it seem like he is still formulating thoughts?
Unvote/Vote Prophylaxis
Townspeople don't act like this Day 1. They read one or two, the most obvious people. This kind of towny behavior is expected and applauded later, but right now? It's a suspicious combination of conjecture, uselessness, and looking busy.
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:thinking: An interesting way of thinking, but... probably not correct. Can't really tell how I feel about this post atm.

Aura Guardian said:
Earlio
Only one post with content - doesn't like XnadrojX's reads, and isn't sure about the champ votes.
Read: Semi-Idling and scummy, trying to pass off as a semi-idler.

BLOODYRAIN10001
Okay, yes, I did like bluedoom while voting someone for buddying. Figured mxmts is too defensive for town. Also wants my reads on the first (see later in this post for 2nd; I wrote this from bottom user to top) triad I mentioned.
Read: Really depends on the champ triads, but for now I can't really figure them out.

Aura Guardian
me.

Prophylaxis
RVS, then anti that claim thing. Pressures mxmts, calls out former not unvoting despite liking my opening. Then is quick to notice Champ's odd behavior. Talks to me regarding something I missed, and is generally quick to call out useless fluff from others. Ooh, comments on Champ beign a main response to their mxmts vote. Seems to be actively engaging individuals in talk to suss out their reasoning better, but moving from one to another - to maximize the minimum information each person gives? Definitely wants everyone to wield their vote, and applies pressure to enforce that. Calls out Earlio for a lot of fluff. Pressures Moody for answers. Not 100% on their read of Former Hope townie b/c of that crackpot theory. Leery of champ wagon later. Puts up a megareadlist. Votes Grannie Pie right after, joining Champ on that vote. Against voting mxmts right now.
Read: A big question mark for now. But the most mentions otehr than direct interaction appears to be Champ and mxmts.

So, I still want a Champ lynch, because they're now part of two triads, and are acting scummy.

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I'll see about revisiting my reasoning for the first trio.
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Mostly just stating facts. It feels fluffy and odd. I don't like it, but I think that I'll have to look at AG's posts some more before formulating an opinion.
 
I'm working during deadline and won't have time to do anything comprehensive before then so if anyone has any compelling arguments about who should die you've got the next hour to convince me
 
KnightsofCydonia said:
trying to take out the biggest threat to them as early as possible is exactly what scum would want.
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Clarifying this because the wording falsely makes it seems like the scum are a third and separate agency.

Granny's OMGUS reeks of scum motivation, in that Proph has shown himself to be quite capable of scumhunting and taking out a good player in the early game is heavily scum beneficial.
 
Aura Guardian: You did an ISO on me and basically just summarized my play thus far, without providing any analysis or a read on me. Do you have a read on me? I find it a little strange that I'm still a question mark for you even though I think I've provided a fair amount of content already.

Like, walk me through your thought process here?
 
Granny Pie said:
I'm always leaning scum in these NOC's. I've only been in 3, and I've been town in all three. I'm sorry for looking like a scummy bloke. I'm not good with original ideas on reading others. I'm mostly here to vote with my town mates.

But with the little experience that I've had, I've noticed a strong correlation. The most active mafia are the ones with pressure on them. Town activoty usually doesn't pick up from their activity before being under pressure. Who's acting the most under pressure right now? Who's desperately trying to read everyone on Day 1, trying to make it seem like he is still formulating thoughts?
Unvote/Vote Prophylaxis
Townspeople don't act like this Day 1. They read one or two, the most obvious people. This kind of towny behavior is expected and applauded later, but right now? It's a suspicious combination of conjecture, uselessness, and looking busy.
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To people who have played with GP: Is he normally like this? (bandwagoning, not providing much original content, OMGUSing)?

Just trying to think if GP is town suspecting the person who is suspecting them or scum trying to discredit/mudsling.
 
Hitmonleet said:
The reason why I suspected you earlier was, frankly, because I'm forgetful. I forgot you were in The Thing mafia, so your responses, with lots of mafia slang and surprisingly well thought out with what I thought was your first game.
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Oh okay, makes sense. This is definitely not my first mafia game, heh.

Explain why you think that post from Bloody is town? Your post there was mostly just responses/replies and you're kiind of fencesitting on GP/AG.
 
Texas Cloverleaf said:
i don't like the look of jalmont keeping the net of suspicion wide with his posts and its something i inherently see as scummy but i'm also pretty sure its in his meta which is kind of annoying
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Can agree with this.

Expanding the PoE pool is something that always raises my eyebrows, but I think Jalmont has towntold enough for Today that I'd be a little hesitant to pressure him right now.
 
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