TR Normal Diancie (QC 3/3) (GP 1/2)

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[SET]
name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Diamond Storm
move 3: Moonblast
move 4: Protect
ability: Clear Body
item: Weakness Policy
evs: 192 HP / 108 Atk / 208 SpA
nature: Quiet

[SET COMMENTS]
Moves
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Diancie can be used as an offensive Trick Room setter thanks to its unique typing and powerful STAB moves. Diamond Storm is a strong spread move, and the Defense boosts allow Diancie to survive strong physical hits and get a Weakness Policy boost. Moonblast is more powerful on a single target and hits the Fighting-types that Diamond Storm does not hit effectively. Protect allows Diancie to stay safe from incoming attacks and maintain its boosts.

Set Details
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Diancie uses Weakness Policy because, with its good bulk and many weaknesses, it can easily get a boost, at which point it becomes extremely threatening. 192 HP EVs let Diancie survive Mega Charizard Y's Solar Beam and Landorus-T's Earthquake, 208 Special Attack EVs and a Quiet Nature allow Diancie to OHKO Landorus-T with Moonblast after a Weakness Policy boost, and the rest of its EVs are invested in Attack to boost Diamond Storm. With Clear Body, Intimidate users such as Landorus-T can't switch in to mitigate the threat of Diamond Storm.

Usage Tips
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Typically, the strategy with this Diancie is to spam Diamond Storm to get Defense boosts so that you can fish for a Weakness Policy activation safely, using Moonblast only when it will OHKO. As Diancie is a Trick Room setter, you should use it to set Trick Room when the opportunity presents itself; partners with Fake Out or redirection will make this much easier. On a semi Trick Room team, Diancie can bluff its Mega set if used alongside a Pokemon with a Mega Evolution that often runs items other than its Mega Stone, such as Gengar. If your opponent has a healthy Diancie counter such as Amoonguss or Aegislash, you should usually not let Weakness Policy activate. Instead, play defensively with Diancie's useful Flying-, Fire-, and Dark-type resistances to get Trick Room up, then switch out and save it for later, as all of its momentum will be snatched away by these counters.

Team Options
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Diancie is a decent choice for a Trick Room setter on both semi and full Trick Room teams thanks to its offensive presence and ability to counter Talonflame, which is usually a serious problem for Trick Room. On semi Trick Room teams, it's a less reliable setter than Cresselia, so it will require support such as Rage Powder and Fake Out in order to get the opening to use the move. Because of Diancie's weaknesses to common Trick Room checks, especially Aegislash and Amoonguss, it's not the right choice for every team. If you do plan to use it, make sure to pack multiple counters to these; Fire-types such as Mega Camerupt and Talonflame are great picks, while Scrafty can eliminate Aegislash and help Diancie set Trick Room with Fake Out support.

Trick Room
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name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Diamond Storm
move 3: Moonblast
move 4: Protect
ability: Clear Body
item: Weakness Policy
evs: 192 HP / 108 Atk / 208 SpA
nature: Quiet

Moves
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  • Trick Room is used in order to support Diancie's team by reversing the speed tiers for 4 turns
  • Diamond Storm is STAB spread move that can hit many threats hard
  • Moonblast targets Fighting-types and Wide Guard users such as Hitmontop
  • Protect allows Diancie to stay safe while its partner eliminates threats
Set Details
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  • Weakness Policy is used as Diancie has many weaknesses but still has good bulk letting it take advantage of the boosts
  • 192 HP lets Diancie live Mega Charizard Y's Solarbeam and Landorus-T's Earthquake, while 108 Attack lets Diancie OHKO Rotom-H at +2 with Diamond Storm, the rest is used in Special Attack to boost Moonblast's power, allowing to to OHKO standard Landorus-T with a +2 Moonblast
  • Quiet nature makes Diancie as slow as possible while also boosting Moonblast's damage output
  • Clear Body is helpful against Intimidate users such as Landorus-T after getting a Weakness Policy boost

Usage Tips
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  • Always try to set up Trick Room first as it makes Diancie "fast"
  • Protect to scout for dangerous moves such as Steel Wing from Talonflame while this also allows your partner to eliminate threats
  • Do not try to go for a Weakness Policy boost if Diancie cannot make use of the boosts anyway
  • As Moonblast is much stronger against a single target, it is more useful than Diamond Storm if you only want to damage a certain Pokemon
  • Spamming Diamond Storm for boosts is possible if Diancie is going to stay in for a while
  • At times when getting the Weakness Policy boost may be too risky, utilize Diancie's useful Fire- and Dark-type resists to play more defensively

Team Options
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  • Can work as a setter on both semi and full TR teams, is a good pick for its ability to dunk Talonflame who is often a problem for TR
  • On semi TR, absolutely needs support (such as Rage Powder or Fake Out) to get the opening to set
  • Pokemon which can eliminate Steels—especially Aegislash—and Amoonguss are really good partners. Fire-types like Mega Camerupt and Talonflame are great for this; Scrafty can eliminate most steels and also provides FO.
 
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bro this was mine but idc

imo it should be offensive with Weakness Policy as the main item; Diancie has heaps of bulk without running investment in either defense (think a slightly less bulky Aegislash but doesn't lose it by attacking). +2 Moonblast and Diamond Storm fucking hurt and Diancie can take an Earthquake most of the time
 
Ok I changed to WP. Also IDK what spread to use, anyone know some important benchmark for Moonblast?
 
u said:
bro this was mine but idc
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Lolk said:
Doubles C&C Index & Reservations

Deadlines:
  • You have 24 hours to post a completed skeleton after you reserve it
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You snooze you lose

blinkie we do have a Diancie analysis online. Your set will share the same Overview, OO, and Checks and Counters from Lolk's analysis. Henceforth only minor alterations are needed in order to complement the addition of this set to Lolk's; Mega Diancie will still be the main focus of Diancie's analysis after all.

I'll just edit that stuff after this is completed - minor edits only are needed
 
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Pwnemon said:
Lohgock came up with 192 hp 108 atk 208 spa quiet for our team, do you remember why lohgock cuz i dont
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[19.01.2015 19:12:11] Keith: what does 108 atk and 208 spa do on diancie
[19.01.2015 19:12:37] Laurin: ohkos landot at +2
[19.01.2015 19:12:45] Laurin: ohkos max hp rotom-h at +2
[19.01.2015 19:12:49] Laurin: lives chari solarbeam
[19.01.2015 19:12:51] Keith: ah those are cool benchmarks
[19.01.2015 19:12:53] Laurin: lives lando eq
 
Ok QC ready some parts may not make sense since they are stolen from the Mega Diancie analysis as Darkmalice mentioned
 
just sayin bulky sitrus is good too but idk how to incorporate that since this set plays differently without adding a new set. Maybe hype it a lot in set comments?
 
192 HP lets Diancie live Mega Charizard Y's Solarbeam and Landorus-T's Earthquake, while 108 Attack lets Diancie OHKO Landorus-T and Rotom-H at +2 with Diamond Storm, the rest is used in Special Attack to boost Moonblast's power
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The EV spread isn't right

252+ Atk Landorus-T Earthquake vs. 192 HP / 0+ Def Diancie: 186-222 (64.3 - 76.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

+2 108 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 195-231 (60.9 - 72.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
108 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Landorus-T: 99-117 (30.9 - 36.5%) -- 58.9% chance to 3HKO

108 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Rotom-H: 168-200 (57.7 - 68.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+2 108 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 200 HP / 0 Def Rotom-H: 338-398 (116.1 - 136.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 108 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Rotom-H: 338-398 (111.1 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
+2 208 SpA Diancie Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 300-354 (93.7 - 110.6%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

252 SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 192 HP / 0 SpD Diancie: 214-254 (74 - 87.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Mega Charizard Y Solar Beam vs. 196 HP / 0 SpD Diancie: 236-278 (81.3 - 95.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

It more than survives those said attacks, and it more than OHKOes Rotom-H at +2, but it does not OHKO Lando-T

152 HP EVs only is needed to survive Mega Zard Y Solarbeam (Modest)
Only 8 HP with a neutral nature is needed to survive Lando-T EQ

Lohgock are you sure that's what your EV spread is for?

I'm tempted to just say 152 HP / 252 Atk / 104 SpA with a Brave nature to deal as much damage as possible with Diamond Storm. There should be more EV investment into Diamond Storm than Moonblast as that is its main STAB.

Before I do, aim I know you've used WP Diancie recently; what EV spread do you use?
 
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Uh I think there's a little missunderstanding. It does OHKO Landorus, though with Moonblast obviously:
+2 208+ SpA Diancie Moonblast vs. 44 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 330-388 (100 - 117.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Also the Atk EVs are meant to OHKO Rotom-H with Def investment or Bold nature, see:
+2 108 Atk Diancie Diamond Storm vs. 252 HP / 0+ Def Rotom-H: 306-362 (100.6 - 119%) -- guaranteed OHKO

I took these two as benchmarks and dumped the rest into HP, so it does indeed do all the stuff I promised it will :)

[EDIT] Darkmalice: Ah ok. The issue I was having was that I was using the OP's nature of Relaxed instead of Quiet

However, no Rotom-H will ever be 252 HP / 0+ Def lol
 
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0+ rotom-h lol

208+ spa is definitely the right benchmark tho, and since diancie is a fan of using dstorm i figure we may as well have some atk investmenterino anyway
 
blinkie said:
Trick Room
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name: Trick Room
move 1: Trick Room
move 2: Diamond Storm
move 3: Moonblast
move 4: Protect
ability: Clear Body
item: Weakness Policy
evs: 192 HP / 108 Atk / 208 SpA
nature: Relaxed
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Should be Quiet, as Stratos mentioned above
Set Details
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  • Weakness Policy is used as Diancie has many weaknesses but still has good bulk letting it take advantage of the boosts
  • 192 HP lets Diancie live Mega Charizard Y's Solarbeam and Landorus-T's Earthquake, while 108 Attack lets Diancie OHKO Landorus-T and Rotom-H at +2 with Diamond Storm, the rest is used in Special Attack to boost Moonblast's power
  • Relaxed nature makes Diancie as slow as possible while also boosting Diamond Storm's damage output
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Relaxed is +def you nublet. Mention that 208+ SpA is to OHKO standard Scarf Landorus-T with +2 Moonblast.
Usage Tips
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  • Do not be afraid to let Diancie take super effective attacks such as Landorus-T's Earthquake as it can live the hit and activate Weakness Policy
  • Use Moonblast against Wide Guard users who are trying to block Diamond Storm
  • Always try to set up Trick Room first as it makes Diancie "fast"
  • Protect to scout for dangerous moves such as Steel Wing from Talonflame while this also allows your partner to eliminate threats
  • Do not try to set up Trick Room if your opponent has counters such as Sleep or Taunt
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Against teams where getting the Weakness Policy boost is too risky (or downright impossible), Diancie's bulk is pretty solid, and it has some nice resistances like Fire and Dark. Mention that at times it may be better to play defensively than offensively. It might also be worth emphasizing Moonblast a bit more, as the EV spread is SpA-based.
Team Options
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  • Partners that can take advantage of Trick Room Diancie sets up are a must, examples include Conkeldurr and Rhyperior
  • Fire-types are good partners as they easily take care of most Steel-types, Heatran and Mega Camerupt work well, although watch out for Earthquake weakness
  • Backup Trick Room setters such as Cresselia and Jellicent are useful in case Diancie fails to set it up or it runs out of turns
  • A fast speed safety net such as Landorus-T and Hydreigon can be used as they outslow some threats in Trick Room, but outspeed others outside of it
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- don't mention Rhyperior; if you're using Diancie what the hell is Rhyperior doing on the same team? Escavalier might be a better mention, especially seeing as it "counters" Sleep
- TR Diancie's niche is on full Trick Room; having it as your only TR setter isn't a great option because of its common weaknesses and "once-and-done" style in most battles. This should probably be emphasized more.

Do all of these and:
QC 1/3
guys how did I do
Darkmalice edit:
thumbs-up-obama-not-bad.jpeg


tbf it's better than just "not bad" :)
 
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set details:
  • mention that clear body works rly well with wp when u talk about wp
usage tips: remove the first second third and sixth bullets
  • moonblast is a lot stronger vs a single target, use it when u want to damage a particular thing instead of just damaging "things" in the vague sense
  • if you think diancie could stay in a while its a good idea to just spam dstorm for def boosts
  • dont go for the WP boost if you wont b able to get much mileage out of it
team options:
  • THINGS THAT KILL AMOONGUSS AND AEGISLASH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • most of ur bullets are retarded as theyre literally just saying to use it on TR, you also have one bullet thats only applicable to full tr and one thats only applicable to semi tr? Arcticblast youve used this set on semi TR right
 
Stratos said:
set details:
  • mention that clear body works rly well with wp when u talk about wp
usage tips: remove the first second third and sixth bullets
  • moonblast is a lot stronger vs a single target, use it when u want to damage a particular thing instead of just damaging "things" in the vague sense
  • if you think diancie could stay in a while its a good idea to just spam dstorm for def boosts
  • dont go for the WP boost if you wont b able to get much mileage out of it
team options:
  • THINGS THAT KILL AMOONGUSS AND AEGISLASH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • most of ur bullets are retarded as theyre literally just saying to use it on TR, you also have one bullet thats only applicable to full tr and one thats only applicable to semi tr? Arcticblast youve used this set on semi TR right
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ok implemented
 
it seems like instead of editing team options to make it coherent you just add more shit whenever someone tells you the current one is inadequate

  • Fire-types are good partners as they easily take care of most Steel-types, Heatran and Mega Camerupt work well, although watch out for the Earthquake weakness
  • Partners that can take care of Amoonguss and Aegislash such as Talonflame and Volcarona are also helpful
why are these not one bullet

mention that scrafty gets fake out which also helps it set up TR
  • Backup Trick Room setters such as Cresselia and Jellicent are a must as they come in handy if Diancie fails to set it up or it runs out of turns
  • Diancie also has many common weaknesses and will likely go down quickly after activating Weakness Policy, so it should generally be used on full Trick Room teams
  • A fast speed safety net such as Landorus-T and Hydreigon can be used as they outslow some threats in Trick Room, but outspeed others outside of it
  • Diancie can also be used on semi Trick Room, alongside fast partners like Talonflame and slower ones like Mega Camerupt
literally what? This is like having four bullets: "The sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is green, the sky is green." The first two actually contradict the last two. Just say something like "Works as an offensive setter on both full TR and semi TR, although it will require more support as a Semi TR team's setter than Cresselia would" instead of all this bullshit. Also, Camerupt is god-awful on semi TR


fix that cancer aids hole and you get 2/3
 
Stratos said:
it seems like instead of editing team options to make it coherent you just add more shit whenever someone tells you the current one is inadequate

  • Fire-types are good partners as they easily take care of most Steel-types, Heatran and Mega Camerupt work well, although watch out for the Earthquake weakness
  • Partners that can take care of Amoonguss and Aegislash such as Talonflame and Volcarona are also helpful
why are these not one bullet

mention that scrafty gets fake out which also helps it set up TR
  • Backup Trick Room setters such as Cresselia and Jellicent are a must as they come in handy if Diancie fails to set it up or it runs out of turns
  • Diancie also has many common weaknesses and will likely go down quickly after activating Weakness Policy, so it should generally be used on full Trick Room teams
  • A fast speed safety net such as Landorus-T and Hydreigon can be used as they outslow some threats in Trick Room, but outspeed others outside of it
  • Diancie can also be used on semi Trick Room, alongside fast partners like Talonflame and slower ones like Mega Camerupt
literally what? This is like having four bullets: "The sky is blue, the sky is blue, the sky is green, the sky is green." The first two actually contradict the last two. Just say something like "Works as an offensive setter on both full TR and semi TR, although it will require more support as a Semi TR team's setter than Cresselia would" instead of all this bullshit. Also, Camerupt is god-awful on semi TR


fix that cancer aids hole and you get 2/3
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ok fixed
 
checks and counters is so poorly written it's giving me an aneurism. if i told you "the sky is blue." "the sky is far away." you would be physically incapable of then producing the sentence "the sky is blue and far away."

but thats not my problem if i give you 2/3 so stamped, write this up.
 
due to blinkie's inactivity, I'm reassigning this to Stratos, who wants to write it up because he is a loser who only does single set write-ups...
 
(once again) talked this over with Stratos on irc, and he's made my changes

so..... 3/3
 
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