Ferroseed Discussion



Ability:
Iron Barbs: If Ferroseed is attacked by a Direct Attack, the attacker receives damage equal to 1/8 its maximum HP.

Base Stats:
44 / 50 / 91 / 24 / 86 / 10

Lvl-up:
1 Harden
1 Tackle
6 Rollout
9 Curse
14 Metal Clawy
18 Pin Missile
21 Gyro Ball
26 Iron Defense
30 Mirror Shot
35 Ingrain
38 Selfdestruct
43 Iron Head
47 Payback
52 Flash Cannon
55 Explosion

TM/HM Moves:
TM01 Hone Claws
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM11 Sunny Day
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM22 SolarBeam
TM24 Thunderbolt
TM27 Return
TM32 Double Team
TM42 Facade
TM44 Rest
TM48 Round
TM53 Energy Ball
TM64 Explosion
TM66 Payback
TM69 Rock Polish
TM70 Flash
TM73 Thunder Wave
TM74 Gyro Ball
TM84 Poison Jab
TM87 Swagger
TM90 Substitute
TM91 Flash Cannon
TM94 Rock Smash

Egg Moves:
Bullet Seed
Gravity
Leech Seed
Rock Climb
Seed Bomb
Spikes
Stealth Rock

Worry Seed


Overview:
Say hello to the pre-evolution of one of the most used pokemon in OU: Ferroseed. His typing plus defences just turn this pokemon into a: meh pokemon. But we forgot about Eviolite. Eviolite is what makes this the Ferrothorn of RU: nice resistances and immunities coupled with massive defenses. His HP and attacking stats are lacking though, and Power Whip isn't available to Ferroseed, but this pokemon is still one of the best rain counters in RU.

Eviolite
Item: Eviolite
Ability: Iron Barbs
Evs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 132 SpD
Careful Nature (+ SpDef, - SpA)
- Leech Seed
- Protect / Thunder Wave
- Stealth Rock / Spikes
- Bullet Seed / Gyro Ball

Eviolite, the only set Ferroseed should even run. This set is capable of walling many sweepers in RU and set up on them. Leech Seed is the obvious move to use, as Ferroseed wouldn't have recovery otherwise. Protect or Thunder Wave both have their own uses: one for protecting, the other for status to enable the sweep of slow pokemon like SubPunch Golurk. The you pick your hazards of choice. Got a SR user already? Use Spikes and the other way around. Finally, Bullet Seed or Gyro Ball ensure you not being set-up and Taunt bait. Bullet Seed gets a mention as expereince shows that it can be helpful against sub-sweepers who try to set up (gotcha Lanturn!). Gyro Ball is Ferroseeds strongest STAB move, but its backed up by 55 Atk. What you could do is drop an attacking move altogether and go for Thunder-wave and Protect, but that makes you a bigger set up bait than before.

Max Hp is given on any pokemon with a low Base HP. The rest of the EV's are evened out and have a little empahsis in Special bulk. You can go different routes with the EV's and most of the spreads are viable, except for all out attacking sets and those withtout max HP.

Checks and Counters
This pokemon is bulky and well, but has sooo many counters to it. Let's start at the beginning. Fire moves completely scorch Ferroseed and powerful Fighting moves like Hitmonlee's Hi Jump Kick wreck it as well. Qwilfish and Claydoll are good partners to Ferroseed as they all set up hazards, spin those away and the three cover their weaknesse quite well. Secondly any grass type you can think of can beat ferroseed 1 vs 1, because of Leech Seed not working. Finally, every Substitute user can practically set up all over Ferroseeds face, except for those grass weaks but Bullet Seed it really uncommon (but it works, trut me). and Ferroseed is the biggest set-up bait in RU. Almost every pokemon can set up on its face, whether it is Venomoth or even a double dancing Porygon-Z.

So Ferroseed it a good wall but is set-up bait to almost all pokemon that exist. Which other EV spreads can you come up with??

Discuss!
 
Claydol counters this? Wrong.

Keep seeding it and it will take a lot from seed + barbs, as they are faster than you.
 
You definitely want to max out HP, considering how tiny that HP stat is. Eviolite doesn't change what spreads are more efficient, it just uniformly boosts any spread's bulk by 1.5x. Mess around in the damage calc and you'll see what I mean.
 
Claydol counters this? Wrong.

Keep seeding it and it will take a lot from seed + barbs, as they are faster than you.
claydoll makes a nice partner is what i meant :P

You definitely want to max out HP, considering how tiny that HP stat is. Eviolite doesn't change what spreads are more efficient, it just uniformly boosts any spread's bulk by 1.5x. Mess around in the damage calc and you'll see what I mean.
Yh gonna go max HP and even out the spread a little bit. Something in the range of 252/120/134
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 1, Guests: 0)

Top