LC Lileep

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Taken over from Al_Alchemist. Approved by macle.

Overview
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Despite the nerf to sand teams, Lileep maintains its position as a solid wall. It has access to Stealth Rock, which is more important than ever with Sturdy + Berry Juice and Pokemon such as Fletchling, Larvesta, and Ponyta, turning some 2HKOs into OHKOs. Lileep can also wall special attackers that don't have a setup move, such as Abra, Chinchou, Staryu, and Gastly. The same goes for physical attackers that cannot set up and lack super effective moves against Lileep, such as Carvanha, Ponyta, and Bunnelby. One of Lileep's biggest problems is its weakness to Fighting- and Steel-types, both very common in Little Cup. It is also setup bait for Pokemon such as Misdreavus. The loss of permanent sand also hurts its ability to rack up passive damage and limits the duration of its 1.5x Special Defense boost while walling.

Tank
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name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Recover
move 4: Ancient Power / Toxic
ability: Storm Drain
item: Eviolite
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD
nature: Calm / Bold

Moves
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Stealth Rock is an important entry hazard, and Lileep is one of the few walls with access to it that also gets a recovery move. Giga Drain gets STAB and recovers HP, as well as hitting Staryu and Drilbur, two of the most common Rapid Spin users, for super effective damage. Recover is for longevity, since Giga Drain doesn't recover enough HP most of the time. Ancient Power also gets STAB and a nice 10% chance for +1 across all stats, while also hitting most Defog users such as Vullaby and Archen, as well as Larvesta, Fletchling, and other Flying-type Pokemon super effectively. Toxic wears down walls Lileep would be otherwise be unable to harm. Earth Power and Hidden Power Fighting could be used for Fire- or Steel-type coverage, namely Magnemite and Pawniard, but they offer less coverage on other important Pokemon.

Set Details
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A Calm nature lets Lileep take on special attackers a bit better, but it can also use a Bold nature with a 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD EV spread. The maximum HP investment is to help increase Lileep's mixed bulk

Usage Tips
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Setting up Stealth Rock is Lileep's primary purpose. The second is to wall or pivot and switch into Pokemon that trouble its teammates, such as Foongus, Abra, Staryu, Chinchou, Ponyta, and special attackers. It can often be the weakest link on a team, despite having a great niche, so sometimes it is better to just set up Stealth Rock and then sacrifice it to get in another Pokemon in safely.

Team Options
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Slowpoke and Ponyta / Mienfoo / Timburr make a great pivot core, being able to switch in on most Pokemon in the metagame. Use it with teammates that hate the Pokemon Lileep walls or pivots into and/or appreciate Stealth Rock. Lileep likes partners that can take on Steel- and Fighting-types. Mienfoo and Timburr can easily take on Pawniard, Magnemite, and Ferroseed, whilst Larvesta or Vullaby can switch into Fighting-types and also still take on Pawniard. Lileep has the added bonus of being able to take on powerful sun-boosted Fire-type attacks from most variants of Ponyta and Vulpix, so it doesn't mind if your Larvesta's, Ponyta's, or Vulpix's Sunny Day boosts your opponent's Fire-type attacks.

Other Options
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Amnesia, Barrier, Stockpile, and Curse are decent options, especially Curse as it makes Lileep a boosting tank. Mirror Coat could be a fun surprise, but is too situational. Bullet Seed is a good option together with Curse if you want to use physical moves, since it allows Lileep to beat Tirtouga one-on-one at +2 Attack.

Checks & Counters
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**Fighting-types**: Mienfoo, Timburr, and other Fighting-types can Knock Off Lileep's Eviolite and then severely damage it with their STAB moves.

**Steel-types**: Pawniard and Magnemite both resist Giga Drain and Ancient Power, are immune to Toxic, and have a super effective STAB Steel-type move that they can 2HKO Lileep with. However, they must watch out for Hidden Power Fighting and Earth Power, respectively.

**Setup sweepers**: Misdreavus with Nasty Plot/Taunt can beat Lileep one-on-one. Fletchling can set up on it if it lacks Ancient Power. Calm Mind Spritzee can set up on it as well, but hates Toxic.
 
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Remove mentions of banned Pokemon
Remove HP Rock as an OO as without murkrow hp rock is garbo
Remove Swords Dance from OO please theres no reason to ever use swords dance ever in a match ever.
Remove HP Fire from main set. It should never be a "mainstream thing" to just stick a random hp to beat something that walls you, especially if you are supposed to wall.... you can mention it in OO if you want but it doesnt even OHKO ferro and snover a shit anyway

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Just some things to note, you mention Misdreavus being walled by Lileep then immediately say it is setup bait for it. Remove it as being walled.

This hs awful grammar as well, so i would go through and just touch it up a bit. The sentences are very abrupt, and you dont lead into them. Just to make GP easier for people. Rn it looks like yo hust went and took away all the bullets and was done with it.

In OO dont say why they are bad. Well, not like how you do. For example, Curse changes Lileep's roll. Bullet Seed is NOT outclassed by Giga as it allows lileep to beat SE Tirt one on one, at +2

In CC you say "if they predict a switch." Any decent player will always Knock Off prior to DPing, so remove that line, and you can rephrase it to something like "Fighting-types can Knock Off Lileep's Eviolite and then severely damage with their STAB"

Why Bold? Mention that in set details, not just Calm nature. Especially since its the first slash
 
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Overview
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Despite the nerf to sandstorm teams, and thus Lileep's main niche in the fifth generation,(RC) Lileep maintains its position as a solid wall. It have has access to Stealth Rock, which is more important in this generation than ever with Sturdy + Berry Juice and Pokemon such as Fletchling, Larvesta,(AC) and Ponyta, turning some 2HKOs to OHKOs. Lileep can also wall special attackers that don't have a set up move, such as Abra, Chinchou, Staryu,(AC) and Gastly. Same goes for physical attackers that doesn't cannot set up and lack super-effective moves against Lileep such as Carvanha, Ponyta, and Bunnelby and some others. One of Lileep's biggest problems is its weakness to Fighting- and Steel-types, both very common types in LC. Lileep is also a setup bait for Pokemon such as Misdreavus. The nerf to sandstorm also hurts its ability to rack up passive damage and loses decreases the time of its 1.5x Special Defense boost while walling abilities.

Tank
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name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Recover
move 4: Ancient Power / Toxic
ability: Storm Drain
item: Eviolite
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD
nature: Calm / Bold

Moves
========

Stealth Rock is an important entry hazard move and Lileep is one of the few walls that also gets a recovery move. Giga Drain has gets STAB and recovers HP, as well as threatening hitting Staryu and Drilbur, two of the most common Rapid Spin users,(AC) for super effective damage. Recover is for longevity, since Giga Drain most of the time don't recover enough HP doesn't recover enough HP most of the time. Ancient Power is also gets STAB with and a nice 10% chance for +1 across all stats, as well as while also hitting most Defog users such as Vullaby and Archen, but also as well as Larvesta, Fletchling,(AC) and other Flying-type Pokemon super effectively. Toxic wears down walls it would be otherwise be unable to harm. Earth Power and Hidden Power Fighting could be used for Fire- or Steel-type coverage, namely Magnemite and Pawniard, but they offer less coverage on other important Pokemon.

Set Details
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Calm is if you want to A Calm nature lets Lileep take on special attackers a bit better, but you it can also use a Bold nature and with a 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD EV spread. The max HP investment helps you survive certain 2HKOs you otherwise wouldn't be able to at full HP.

Usage Tips
========

Use sparingly; Stealth Rock is Lileep's main primary purpose, the second is to wall or pivot against Pokemon that other Pokemon usually can't, namely Foongus, Abra, Staryu, Chinchou, Ponyta,(AC) and special attackers. It can often be the weakest link on a team, despite having a great niches, so sometimes it is better to just use set up Stealth Rock and then sacrafice sacrifice it to get in another Pokemon in safely.

Team Options
========

Slowpoke and Ponyta / Mienfoo / Timburr make a great pivot core, being able to switch in on most Pokemon in the metagame. Use it with Pokemon teammates who hate the Pokemon that Lileep walls/pivots into and/or appreciate Stealth Rock. Lileep likes things partners that can take on Steel- and Fighting-types. Mienfoo and Timburr can easily take on Pawniard, Magnemite, and Ferroseed,(AC) whilst a Larvesta or Vullaby can help switch into Fighting-types and also still take on Pawniard. Lileep has the added bonus of being able to take on powerful Sunny Day sun-boosted Fire-type attacks from most variants of Ponyta and Vulpix, so it doesn't mind if your Larvesta's, Ponyta's,(AC) or Vulpix's Sunny Day could boosts your opponent's Fire-type attacks.

Other Options
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Amnesia, Barrier, Stockpile,(AC) and Curse are decent options, especially Curse since it changes Lileep's roll. Mirror Coat could be a fun surprise, but is too situational. Bullet Seed is a good option together with Curse if you want to use physical moves, since it allows Lileep to beat Tirtouga one on one at +2 Attack.

Checks & Counters
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**Fighting-types**: Mienfoo, Timburr,(AC) and other Fighting-types can Knock Off Lileep's Eviolite and then severely damage it with their STAB moves.

**Steel-types**: Pawniard and Magnemite both resist Giga Drain and Ancient Power, is are immune to Toxic, and have a super effective STAB Steel-type move that they can 2HKO Lileep with. But However, they must watch out for Hidden Power Fighting and Earth Power respectively.

**Set-up sweepers**: Misdreavus with Nasty Plot/Taunt can beat it Lileep one on one. Fletchling can set up on it if it lacks Ancient Power and beat it one on one. Calm Mind Spritzee can set up on it and beat it one on one, but hates Toxic.
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Overview
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Despite the nerf to sand teams, Lileep maintains its position as a solid wall. It has access to Stealth Rock, which is more important than ever with Sturdy + Berry Juice and Pokemon such as Fletchling, Larvesta, and Ponyta, turning some 2HKOs into OHKOs. Lileep can also wall special attackers that don't have a setup move, such as Abra, Chinchou, Staryu, and Gastly. The same goes for physical attackers that cannot set up and lack super effective moves against Lileep, (add comma) such as Carvanha, Ponyta, and Bunnelby. One of Lileep's biggest problems is its weakness to Fighting- and Steel-types, both very common in Little Cup. Lileep It is also setup bait for Pokemon such as Misdreavus. The nerf to loss of permanent sand also hurts its ability to rack up passive damage and decreases limits (it doesn't just decrease, it limits i.e., puts a timer on sand) the time duration of its 1.5x Special Defense boost while walling.

Tank
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name: Tank
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Giga Drain
move 3: Recover
move 4: Ancient Power / Toxic
ability: Storm Drain
item: Eviolite
evs: 228 HP / 140 Def / 140 SpD
nature: Calm / Bold

Moves
========

Stealth Rock is an important entry hazard, (add comma) and Lileep is one of the few walls with access to it that also gets a recovery move. Giga Drain gets STAB and recovers HP, as well as hitting Staryu and Drilbur, two of the most common Rapid Spin users, for super effective damage. Recover is for longevity, since Giga Drain doesn't recover enough HP most of the time. Ancient Power also gets STAB and a nice 10% chance for +1 across all stats, while also hitting most Defog users such as Vullaby and Archen, as well as Larvesta, Fletchling, and other Flying-type Pokemon super effectively. Toxic wears down walls it Lileep would be otherwise be unable to harm. Earth Power and Hidden Power Fighting could be used for Fire- or Steel-type coverage, namely Magnemite and Pawniard, but they offer less coverage on other important Pokemon.

Set Details
========

A Calm nature lets Lileep take on special attackers a bit better, but it can also use a Bold nature with a 228 HP / 220 Def / 60 SpD EV spread. The maximum HP investment helps you Lileep survive certain 2HKOs (you can't 'survive a 2HKO') you otherwise wouldn't be able to at full HP attacks that would otherwise 2HKO it. (such as? Mention examples)

Usage Tips
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Use sparingly; Setting up Stealth Rock is Lileep's primary purpose. (period) The second is to wall or pivot against Pokemon that other Pokemon usually can't, namely switch into Pokemon that trouble its teamates, such as Foongus, Abra, Staryu, Chinchou, Ponyta, and special attackers. It can often be the weakest link on a team, despite having a great niche, so sometimes it is better to just set up Stealth Rock and then sacrifice it to get in another Pokemon in safely.

Team Options
========

Slowpoke and Ponyta / Mienfoo / Timburr make a great pivot core, being able to switch in on most Pokemon in the metagame. Use it with teammates who that hate the Pokemon that Lileep walls or pivots into and/or appreciate Stealth Rock. Lileep likes partners that can take on Steel- and Fighting-types. Mienfoo and Timburr can easily take on Pawniard, Magnemite, and Ferroseed,(AC) whilst Larvesta or Vullaby can switch into Fighting-types and also still take on Pawniard. Lileep has the added bonus of being able to take on powerful sun-boosted Fire-type attacks from most variants of Ponyta and Vulpix, so it doesn't mind if your Larvesta's, Ponyta's, or Vulpix's Sunny Day boosts your opponent's Fire-type attacks.

Other Options
########

Amnesia, Barrier, Stockpile, and Curse are decent options, especially Curse since as it changes Lileep's roll makes Lileep a boosting tank. Mirror Coat could be a fun surprise, but is too situational. Bullet Seed is a good option together with Curse if you want to use physical moves, since it allows Lileep to beat Tirtouga one-on-one at +2 Attack.

Checks & Counters
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**Fighting-types**: Mienfoo, Timburr, and other Fighting-types can Knock Off Lileep's Eviolite and then severely damage it with their STAB moves.

**Steel-types**: Pawniard and Magnemite both resist Giga Drain and Ancient Power, are immune to Toxic, and have a super effective STAB Steel-type move that they can 2HKO Lileep with. However, they must watch out for Hidden Power Fighting and Earth Power, (add comma) respectively.

**Setup sweepers**: Misdreavus with Nasty Plot/Taunt can beat Lileep one-on-one. Fletchling can set up on it if it lacks Ancient Power and beat it one on one. Calm Mind Spritzee can set up on it and beat it one on one as well, but hates Toxic.

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