NOC Great Idea Mafia-Game Over! Mafia, vonFiedler, and More Cowbell win!

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Claiming is still a bad idea, Obbmud; we can't be sure if the mafia has a Talent Scout, and even if they did, they may not have inspected the people who are claiming. Besides, claiming right now if really WIFOM-y (''help, I'm close to getting lynched, I'm actually a Doctor so everyone unvote if you don't want to lose!''). Mafia benefits from role claims because they get a better idea of whom to target at night, while the village (probably) doesn't have the time to confirm a role and reach another majority vote. Besides, what happens if four suspected people claim at the same time? Do we randomly target someone? All in all, I think just claiming outright is not the smartest thing to do.

Celever; regarding a VonFiedler lynch, I say not today. Paperblade and Pokeguy gave us little to work with, and one day worth of posts is very risky, especially now during LYLO. His aggressiveness has sparked some discussion, and that's what we need right now, so I wouldn't lynch him based on that. If he makes some shady moves on later days I'll consider the lynch, but right now I don't see a reason to lynch Von over swf/obbmud/tesung/spire.
 
Obbmud99 said:
If the mafia had a talent scout, then they would know half of our roles anyway, so I'm not sure it really matters to defend yourself from the mafia. I honestly don't understand why claiming wouldn't help here; even if you did claim it wouldn't make you anymore of a mafia bait than any other player in the game (Lightwolf and celever are obvious targets with the logic of the B_T vote and me and possible spiresquire on the logic of the cancerous lynch.) I don't see how claiming is a mafia tell, unless you have a power role, which at this point would be an inspector or a doctor. We've already lost two inspectors, and it is unlikely that we have any more, and if you were a doctor, you've done a really bad job because the obvious kill on night 3 was nitrox116, and he was not protected. Ruling out both inspector and doctor, what other things would make you a mafia bait? Day vigilante is my last guess, and that doesn't fit either because you probably would have used it by now. Claiming bulletproof would make the mafia not want to waste their kill on you. If you were bodyguard you would have defended nitrox116 n3, and you would have died instead. If you claimed nurse than that would basically make you a vanilla townie, which is the same place I am. I don't see any roles left that would have lead you to feel as though you need to hide from the mafia. Also it seems like you go after me quite a bit. This leaves my diagnosis down to two options, which I will not disclose because I don't want you to say that I am right and claim exactly what I say will get you off the hook.
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The point isn't that claiming would make me higher on the mafia list (although it might, I'm not sure); the point is that giving the mafia any information at all is a bad idea.

Why do you assume that the mafia have a talent scout?
 
Celever said:
Is it possible that one of your scumbuddies noticed spiresquire and asked you to point it out, just to give you a few townie points?
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If that was the case, why am I still trying to lynch him? I also fail to see how I buddy buddied you, I said that you suck at mafia and this is just more proof. Lynching me is just another way to waste everyone's time pulling your dick out.
 
vonFiedler said:
If that was the case, why am I still trying to lynch him? I also fail to see how I buddy buddied you, I said that you suck at mafia and this is just more proof. Lynching me is just another way to waste everyone's time pulling your dick out.
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You 100% buddied me against LightWolf as an offensive maneuver. Also lynching you is just another way to win imo, nothing to do with my dick :(
 
Here's Celever to throw another game as always. And without the level of attachment you guys have, I would just get to feel vindictive over it when you lynch me and lose.

Anyway starwarsfan you do realize that if we don't lynch spiresquire, you're everybody's #2? If SS is your scumbuddy, you might just want to get on that sooner than later.
 
starwarsfan said:
The point isn't that claiming would make me higher on the mafia list (although it might, I'm not sure); the point is that giving the mafia any information at all is a bad idea.

Why do you assume that the mafia have a talent scout?
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More Cowbell said:
Claiming is still a bad idea, Obbmud; we can't be sure if the mafia has a Talent Scout, and even if they did, they may not have inspected the people who are claiming. Besides, claiming right now if really WIFOM-y (''help, I'm close to getting lynched, I'm actually a Doctor so everyone unvote if you don't want to lose!''). Mafia benefits from role claims because they get a better idea of whom to target at night, while the village (probably) doesn't have the time to confirm a role and reach another majority vote. Besides, what happens if four suspected people claim at the same time? Do we randomly target someone? All in all, I think just claiming outright is not the smartest thing to do.

Celever; regarding a VonFiedler lynch, I say not today. Paperblade and Pokeguy gave us little to work with, and one day worth of posts is very risky, especially now during LYLO. His aggressiveness has sparked some discussion, and that's what we need right now, so I wouldn't lynch him based on that. If he makes some shady moves on later days I'll consider the lynch, but right now I don't see a reason to lynch Von over swf/obbmud/tesung/spire.
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We also can't be sure that they don't have one. We have no inspectors left (as far as we can tell), so we can't get any information from that. Yes, the mafia might not have a talent scout, or they might not have a role blocker, or both. However, I don't think that we can rule out either those options either. I assume that they have both because we have no idea of their capabilities. I agree that claiming in LYLO would give the mafia information, but if the village is starved of information we will lose anyway because they vote can't be certain, and divided votes will end in the mafia winning. If we don't have the information we need, it doesn't matter how much information the mafia has because they'll win anyways.
 
vonFiedler said:
Here's Celever to throw another game as always. And without the level of attachment you guys have, I would just get to feel vindictive over it when you lynch me and lose.

Anyway starwarsfan you do realize that if we don't lynch spiresquire, you're everybody's #2? If SS is your scumbuddy, you might just want to get on that sooner than later.
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That's not a very good defense, just saying. Neither were actually.

Also encompassing a game as large as this as "everybody" is a bit dumb. Even 10 people. Obviously not swf's, I've expressed multiple times that he's not mine... LIke honestly people are playing far scummier than swf. Like I said I will put my faith in the town and lynch him and everything if such a time comes, however.

The funny thing there is that von thinks that everyone has jumped on his SS wagon. People are lynching swf rn, not SS. It looks like he is everyone's #1. SS might be your #1, and maybe More Cowbell's, but no one else's.

Also Ace Emerald has been lurking this thread for a while.
 
Obbmud99 said:
We also can't be sure that they don't have one. We have no inspectors left (as far as we can tell), so we can't get any information from that. Yes, the mafia might not have a talent scout, or they might not have a role blocker, or both. However, I don't think that we can rule out either those options either. I assume that they have both because we have no idea of their capabilities. I agree that claiming in LYLO would give the mafia information, but if the village is starved of information we will lose anyway because they vote can't be certain, and divided votes will end in the mafia winning. If we don't have the information we need, it doesn't matter how much information the mafia has because they'll win anyways.
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And yet, there is a chance that they don't have a Talent Scout, so we should not claim until it becomes necessary. I don't see your insistence on claiming, TBH I'm 98% sure that you just want more info for your mafia scumbuddies.

Celever said everything I was gonna say to von.
 
I know we're technically playing a game together but can you please just not involve me in your rampant fucking stupidity Celever? I already said I'm not going to fall into the trap of lynching you, we get it, you think your dick is bigger than everyone's but seriously I'm not even going to read your future posts.
 
vonFiedler said:
I know we're technically playing a game together but can you please just not involve me in your rampant fucking stupidity Celever? I already said I'm not going to fall into the trap of lynching you, we get it, you think your dick is bigger than everyone's but seriously I'm not even going to read your future posts.
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The rage is strong with this one. Also, it says on celever's profile page that she is female, all these arguments about dick size are irrelevant because I don't think she has one (unless her profile page is lying or surgery.)
 
Obbmud99 said:
We also can't be sure that they don't have one. We have no inspectors left (as far as we can tell), so we can't get any information from that. Yes, the mafia might not have a talent scout, or they might not have a role blocker, or both. However, I don't think that we can rule out either those options either. I assume that they have both because we have no idea of their capabilities. I agree that claiming in LYLO would give the mafia information, but if the village is starved of information we will lose anyway because they vote can't be certain, and divided votes will end in the mafia winning. If we don't have the information we need, it doesn't matter how much information the mafia has because they'll win anyways.
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How would you know that mafia had both abilities? We lost (probably) out only two info roles on day 1, and if the rest of us is vanilla (or any role that doesn't gain information, for that matter), then we have no idea of knowing any mafia roles. Everybody claiming right now will hardly give us any information; it would be a shitstorm of legitimate as well as false claims, in which the village gains pretty much nothing (because you can't tell who is mafia and who is not), while mafia knows exactly which of the claims are false, and which are made by villagers/neutrals. There is far too little advantage to justify claiming right now.

Von's responses right now are a bit overly aggressive, but like I've said before, we can't lynch someone based on aggressiveness right now, we need to look at their behaviour throughout the whole game, and there's not enough on Von to justify a lynch of him right now, IMO.

By the way, Celever, spiresquire is not my #1 mafia; he's #4, with starwarsfan, Tesung and Obbmud99 (due to his stupid recent posts) before him.
 
More Cowbell said:
How would you know that mafia had both abilities? We lost (probably) out only two info roles on day 1, and if the rest of us is vanilla (or any role that doesn't gain information, for that matter), then we have no idea of knowing any mafia roles. Everybody claiming right now will hardly give us any information; it would be a shitstorm of legitimate as well as false claims, in which the village gains pretty much nothing (because you can't tell who is mafia and who is not), while mafia knows exactly which of the claims are false, and which are made by villagers/neutrals. There is far too little advantage to justify claiming right now.

Von's responses right now are a bit overly aggressive, but like I've said before, we can't lynch someone based on aggressiveness right now, we need to look at their behaviour throughout the whole game, and there's not enough on Von to justify a lynch of him right now, IMO.

By the way, Celever, spiresquire is not my #1 mafia; he's #4, with starwarsfan, Tesung and Obbmud99 (due to his stupid recent posts) before him.
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How would you know that the mafia doesn't have at least one of their abilities? As I stated before, I am assuming that they do because, until we can prove that they don't, they have them. If the mafia had 3 members, they would have a 60% chance of having role blocker and a 45% chance of having an talent scout. If there are no neutrals left, and it is 6 Village and 4 Mafia, then there is an 80% chance of a role blocker and a 60% chance of a talent scout. Even 45% chance is still a chance, and we can't risk assuming they don't have a talent scout or role blocker. (unless my math is wrong, in which feel free to correct me.)

Ok Then. Nobody will claim. How will we determine who is mafia Great More Cowbell? You take scum hunting lead here. Am I going to die, or is tesung or swf going to die(or someone not mentioned). Everyone can only chose one, and I think I can see where this is going already. I will assist you guys, because clearly the way to get someone is to kill the guys who claimed single mason with nobody counter-claiming is clearly mafia, and should be lynched. Unlynch Vote Obbmud99
 
Ok fine. If we can nail a scum today I feel like tomorrow von will calm down and contribute if he is town, or get lynched if he is mafia, so I am willing to unvote vonFiedler for now.

And lynch Obbmud99. Sorry, but you've been on and off my scumlist since mid day 2 and always very high up it at that. Your claim screwed any chance of a lynch on you, but your stupidity has remedied a believable claim. I've wanted to lynch you for a while from your posts, and if you are curious for my reasoning just look back a bit. (Sorry, iPad).

shinyskarmory it is imperative that we know whether you're giving us an extension or not now. We need to fasthammer if there is no extension, if there is an extension then we can keep discussing.
 
Okay I have everyone currently voting Obbmud pegged as mafia if they are that stupid as to put someone at L-3 at LYLO. Unvote now you idiots before mafia gets a chance to stealth hammer, if you want someone lynched make a damned case against them... Obbmud why the fuck are you putting yourself at L-2? God you are asking to be lynched but I feel like you are just throwing the game here on purpose!
 
Obbmud99 said:
How would you know that the mafia doesn't have at least one of their abilities? As I stated before, I am assuming that they do because, until we can prove that they don't, they have them. If the mafia had 3 members, they would have a 60% chance of having role blocker and a 45% chance of having an talent scout. If there are no neutrals left, and it is 6 Village and 4 Mafia, then there is an 80% chance of a role blocker and a 60% chance of a talent scout. Even 45% chance is still a chance, and we can't risk assuming they don't have a talent scout or role blocker. (unless my math is wrong, in which feel free to correct me.)

Ok Then. Nobody will claim. How will we determine who is mafia Great More Cowbell? You take scum hunting lead here. Am I going to die, or is tesung or swf going to die(or someone not mentioned). Everyone can only chose one, and I think I can see where this is going already. I will assist you guys, because clearly the way to get someone is to kill the guys who claimed single mason with nobody counter-claiming is clearly mafia, and should be lynched. Unlynch Vote Obbmud99
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Oh please, save the pathetic ''I'll vote for myself because that's obviously the only way to show them I am town''. Look, I believed your Mason claim as well, but the way you have been playing today is so entirely unproductive and stupid that I now believe you made a lucky claim and were lucky no one has counterclaimed. I don't know exactly how we are going to determine who is mafia, but giving all the roles we have right to the mafia is absolutely not the way.
I also never said ''mafia doesn't have power roles'', all I ever said was that we have no way of knowing if they do.
 
Obbmud is playing the exact same way he has been this whole time honestly, I still believe his mason claim was too good to be a fake one with that timing, doesn't help that my main suspects are the main advicators in this lynch though either.
 
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