XY Ubers My reqs team (stall)

Majickary

This team started out pretty bad but after a lot of fiddling it took off. There are still weaknesses but they are to uncommon threats in the metagame. I think I made the last 10+ wins of my run undefeated :)

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Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Water Spout
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Thunder

Probably the best Choice Scarfer in the tier. Kyogre packs enough power to revenge anything that might get past my walls. I generally try to preserve its HP since 100% Water Spout is nutcake and I might be able to set up a Kyogre sweep. In dire situations where my team is getting worn down in a stall loop I might try to switch into Kyogre for the immediate power.

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Landorus-Therian (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Earthquake
- Toxic
- Stone Edge

Blaziken check, Ho Oh check, Zekrom check, SR user, can also do something against stuff like Kangaskhan and EKiller. Unfortunately it is easily set up on. I can't stop EKiller from using second Swords Dance or Kangaskhan from using Power Up Punch. It doesn't hit hard enough but it needs all the bulk it can get to hold up to Ho Oh which is crazily strong and who the rest of my team has trouble handling.

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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 252 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Flamethrower
- Soft-Boiled
- Toxic
- Heal Bell

Primary special wall, acts as my cleric as well. Cleric is needed since my Pokemon are rather susceptible to status (Ferrothorn attracts burn like honey attracts bees, Landorus does the same with poison). Flamethrower is there not because of Mega Gengar but because of Ferrothorn, which my team really hates. Also kills Scizor and Genesect which can be helpful, Genesect loves to pivot on Blissey. I really wish I could have Wish on Blissey since Landorus, Kyogre and to some extent Ferrothorn could really use it. On the other hand having Wish without Protect really weakens Blissey as a Xerneas check.

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Ferrothorn @ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Power Whip
- Spikes
- Toxic
- Leech Seed

Mandatory Water resist. I originally tried to rely on Blissey for everything but the Kyogre weakness was too real. In the end I added Ferrothorn because my team was having serious trouble against Ferrothorn, and I figured if I can't beat them join them. Primarily meant to check Kyogre but can also wear down things like Xerneas (without HP Fire) and Blissey / Giratina etc. Absorbs Leech Seed as well. Spikes are also helpful to help my team outstall my opponent. I have Power Whip because otherwise I have trouble against CM Refresh Water Arceus, I didn't meet any though. Not having Gyro Ball weakens me to Skymin and to some extent Xerneas but what to do?

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Yveltal @ Leftovers
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 Spe
Impish Nature
- Foul Play
- Taunt
- Roost
- Sucker Punch

Mandatory EKiller check. Sucker Punch to kill Mewtwo Y. Taunt to help break stall and so that Yveltal isn't set up bait (i.e. Ferrothorn). One problem with Yveltal is that it's my main EKiller counter as well as my main Mewtwo counter, which can potentially stress it out especially if Mewtwo has Ice Beam. I had one game where I had to Roost with my 6% Yveltal against a Xerneas, risking his Moonblast (he used Geo), then sacrificing another Pokemon to Xerneas just so Yveltal could take on Arceus later. I won the game, but it feels like my opponent misplayed.

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Scizor @ Scizorite
Ability: Light Metal
EVs: 252 HP / 16 Atk / 240 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Roost
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Defog

My Defogger, as well as a Xerneas check which the specially defensive spread helps with. Retains enough attack to 2HKO most Xerneas with Bullet Punch. Superpower is there to help with Ferrothorn, which like I wrote before I am really weak to. After I put Superpower on Scizor, Taunt on Yveltal and Flamethrower on Blissey, it finally got manageable.

In my experience the main threats are:

Ho Oh: Landorus is about as good a Ho Oh check as they come but with Ho Oh having such staying power it can outlast Landorus. Doesn't help either that burned Landorus can't OHKO Ho Oh with Stone Edge.

Deoxys S: It gets up two layers unless I Taunt it with Yveltal, when it would still be at 100% and can switch out. Sucks.

Kyogre: I have no safe switch in for Specs Water Spout if he's at 100%. So if I see a Kyogre in team preview I lead with my own Kyogre, hoping to attack his Kyogre before he kills me.

Xerneas: I have two semi-reliable Xerneas checks and usually bring in whichever looks like the more expendable one. On the other hand it could potentially Sub against Blissey and make me cry. GeoXern with HP Fire plus Psyshock or Focus Blast if it hits twice or if Toxic misses sweeps me.

Mewtwo and Deoxys A with Ice Beam: never really met them but if they predict the Yveltal coming in I pretty much have to resort to revenge killing.

It's possible there are more uncommon threats that I never met.

Comments appreciated!
 
Hey Majickary,

This is a pretty decent team, and congrats on getting voting reqs. If there is a threat that I feel is very dangerous to this team, it's definitely Yveltal though. It is very threatening to the entire team, and shuts down Blissey with taunt. Otherwise, I guess some of the threats you mentioned are a bit annoying. The other big weaknesses are Mega Gengar, which can trap and KO a lot some of your Pokemon (especially if it has HP Fire), and stall, which is very difficult for you to break, as Taunt on Yveltal isn't really sufficient on its own.

In the way of changes, I would suggest two main changes. I would first suggest Specially Defensive Kyogre over your current set. Then I would suggest Sylveon over Blissey. The main rationale for this change is that Sylveon checks Yveltal nicely and specially defensive Kyogre helps check opposing offensive Kyogre, as well as phazing GeoXern. Overall, it really strengthens the team as a whole I feel like; Kyogre+Ferro+Lando-T is a pretty strong defensive backbone here. You do end up with a bit of an increased Gengar weakness, as Blissey used to be able to at least force a Destiny Bond with Flamethrower, but Sylveon cannot. I suggest Pursuit over Superpower on Scizor, as it helps trap non-Hidden Power Fire Gengar. I would say that Defog is not even necessarily that important, so you could run Toxic or even something like Swords Dance, which would strengthen your matchup against stall to some degree, but if you want Defog you can use it (it doesn't go too well with spikes stack, but depending on Deoxys-S's spread, Defog might be useful if Pursuit+Bullet Punch fails to KO).

Optimization wise, I would run Gyro Ball over Power Whip on Ferrothorn, as hitting Fairies is useful; Gyro Ball also does much better versus Gengar. Defensive Yveltal should probably run Dread Plate or Rocky Helmet to reliably beat Ekiller, as otherwise Foul Play does not always kill.

Sylveon @ Leftovers
Ability: Pixilate
EVs: 248 HP / 248 SpD / 12 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Hyper Voice
- Wish
- Protect
- Heal Bell

Kyogre @ Leftovers
Ability: Drizzle
EVs: 232 HP / 252 SpD / 24 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Roar
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
Good luck!
 
^ Lol where have I seen that rate before?

Jokes aside we did make quite similar teams (a few Pokemon are exactly the same) but it's interesting seeing how you dealt with some of the problems that I ran into too. I don't know precisely how to fix the issues with your team and don't have time for a full rate, but some thoughts:

1) Perhaps some of the problem you have with Ho-Oh is because you have two Pokemon that are unable to touch it in any way (Scizor and Ferrothorn). If you go with haxiom's rate, you might want to consider switching Scizor for Giratina-O, which would allow you to 2HKO Deoxys-S and still retain Defog. Hopefully Sylveon would be able to pass some Wishes to it (or you could run Rest and hope Sylveon can wake it up).

2) You could give up Toxic on Ferrothorn for Gyro Ball. How often would you use Toxic instead of Leech Seed anyway? It would let you OHKO Xerneas without HP Fire as well. That would put less stress on Scizor (not like Scizor beats HP Fire Xerneas either, although it does over 50%) which might let you use a different Defogger. You could consider the afore-mentioned Giratina-O or one of the Arceus formes. If you run Electric Arceus or Grass Arceus, you wouldn't need Power Whip on Ferrothorn as well.

3) If you do that, you could consider switching Landorus-T out. Zekrom can be checked by Electric Arceus (with WoW, admittedly not a standard set) together with Sylveon; Blaziken would be powerless against Giratina-O, and Ho-Oh can be checked together by Electric Arceus + Kyogre. The remaining physical attackers can be handled by Yveltal. You could then scarf something else or run a very fast Pokemon like Shaymin-S or Mewtwo Y to retain your speed.

These are all just thoughts; I don't know how well they'll play out. You'll have to test them. Apologies I don't have more time to do this, and good luck!
 
haxiom said:
Hey Majickary,

This is a pretty decent team, and congrats on getting voting reqs. If there is a threat that I feel is very dangerous to this team, it's definitely Yveltal though. It is very threatening to the entire team, and destroys a lot of stuff with taunt. Otherwise, I guess some of the threats you mentioned are a bit annoying, but I mean leading Kyogre vs Kyogre so you can hopefully hit it first is kind of a sad strategy to be honest. The other bigger weakness is that Gengar can be threatening, as well as stall as a whole. HP Fire Gengar is particularly annoying for Ferrothorn and Scizor. Stall is very difficult for you to break though, Taunt on Yveltal isn't close to sufficient.

In the way of changes, I would suggest two main changes. I would first suggest Specially Defensive Kyogre over your current set. Then I would suggest Sylveon over Blissey. The main rationale for this change is that Sylveon checks Yveltal nicely and Kyogre helps check opposing offensive Kyogre, as well as phazing GeoXern. Overall, it really strengthens the team as a whole I feel like; Kyogre+Ferro+Lando-T is a pretty strong defensive backbone here. You do end up with a bit of an increased Gengar weakness, as Blissey used to be able to at least force a Destiny Bond with Flamethrower, but Sylveon cannot. I suggest Pursuit over Superpower on Scizor, as it helps beat Gengar more reliably. I would say that Defog is not even necessarily that important, so you could run Toxic or something, but if you want defog you can use it (it doesn't go too well with spikes stack).

I could give you sets if you want, but it looks like you are reading analyses and such so you shouldn't have too much trouble. Maybe I'll edit it in later- in a bit of a rush time wise.

OPTIMIZATION:

Not too much. I would run Gyro Ball over Power Whip on Ferrothorn, as hitting Fairies is nice; Gyro Ball also does much better versus Gengar. Defensive Yveltal needs to run Dread Plate or Rocky Helmet to reliably beat Ekiller as otherwise Foul Play does not always kill.


Good luck!
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Risking a speed tie with other Kyogre is dangerous, I've had to take the risk a few times, but I never really liked doing so. I'll admit that I haven't tried specially defensive kyogre though. Might have to mess with it on a team sometime. Having a bulky Kyogre also has the added benefit of being able to reliably (and consistently) be able to set up rain to help shore up Scizor's and Ferro's fire weakness.

Specs Kyogre rains on everyone's parade and no one can comfortably take water spouts. Although Multiscale Lugia could stall it out with Roost, the only Pokemon that can comfortably take Water Spout are water absorbers.

I agree. Sylveon's typing comes in handy and it can do the same clerical work. Also, it's really hard to not have too much phasing so I can see why yawn would be handy on Sylveon. (That definitely rains on Xerneas' parade.)

Pursuit makes Gengar's life miserable, and because of 'zors bulk, a pursuit+ BP would easily be able to handle the obnoxious ghost with good prediction. Also, while superpower is.. Well, powerful, it lowers defense, and attack. Plus, fighting isn't really the best typing in ubers when there's all the ghost and psychic pokemon that can be pursuit trapped. Scizor is also an amazing abuser of Pursuit thanks to technician.

As to Yvetal, that blasted bird is always a threat since it just won't die outside of something like a stab thunder or similar.

Hm, yes... I can see why running a dread plate is nice. Losing recovery bites, but the assurance of dealing with EKiller is a nice trade off.

To be fully honest, most of my analysis coincides with Haxiom's.

Except I can debate the optimization bit a bit. Personally I have always found Power Whip more reliable, but maybe I'm still trying to play Gen 5. The 5% chance of missing is annoying, but the increased PP is always helpful for stall.

I noticed that both Specially defensive T-Tar (Assualt Vest abuser anyone?) and Multiscale Lugia could be viable options for the team. Lugia's got that ability to phase away boosts, multiscale to take hits, and toxic + defog. Meanwhile T-Tar can take a surprisingly large number of hits on the special side, with the proper support of your cleric, T-Tar might seem to never die, while able to pursuit trap, resist fire, and generally be able to mop up things. It also has good synergy with Ferrothorn dealing with water attacks, and Lando handling any oncoming fighting/ground attacks.

If t-tar was added, I'd probably drop Kyogre. If Lugia was added, I'd probably drop scizor.
 
Oh yes, I did think of one other Pokemon that serve you incredibly well as a bulky water. It also has access to storm drain which basically shuts specs kyogre down if it locks itself in. Plus with Ground, it's immune to electric, meaning ogre will likely have to lock itself in on ice beam as long as its around.

Gastrodon. This guy with special defense investment can take draco meteors, spread toxic, recover, burn things with scald, and generally just never die. If added I'd swap out kyogre for a set like this:

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD (or 4 into defense if you'd rather)
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Toxic
- Recover
- Protect/Earth Power

This would allow you to spread toxic and burns with ease, plus would deal with your kyogre problem, unless for some reason the other player decided to have HP grass on ogre and caught you on the switch.

I guess Quagsire with Unaware would do the job fairly well as well, either one would be a viable option.
 
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Thanks for rates guys and sorry for late response.

haxiom it's definitely sad but then fortunately I only have to hit Specs Kyogre a few times before it becomes walled by Blissey and Ferrothorn, definitely an issue though. Yveltal can be an issue but Blissey takes hits very well so in my experience the only Yveltal that beats it is the kind with Taunt + Sucker Punch, both of which are moves in which I can switch out to Kyogre for and KO back (Sucker Punch fails to OHKO at full HP), or to Landorus to get the Intimidate on it before going back to Blissey. It's a threat but a manageable one. I like your rate though. I hate losing speed but there are two priority users and by having Kyogre + Sylveon I would also be able to switch Scizor for Giratina O as per AlphaNeria's rate, and that would also solve the Deoxys S problem. Ingrain Xerneas with Psyshock now becomes a threat but then Xerneas is nutcake anyway. I did try Rocky Helmet but losing Leftovers recovery sucks especially on a Pokemon weak to SR, also if EKiller turns out to be the bulky type I can go to Ferrothorn on the second ESpeed and kill it that way, or in the worst case scenario revenge with priority. Gyro Ball is good but I really need something to kill last mon Refresh Water Arceus with :(

AlphaNeria well there is Grass Arceus, if I drop Toxic for Gyro Ball I don't see how I can kill it easily, although I have reliable walls for it it's not going to stay in on Blissey so I can Toxic it, or on Yveltal once I Taunt it. Dropping Landorus T means I don't have an Electric immune so Zekrom can Volt Switch at will but Ferrothorn is a reliable Zekrom check so should be OK, I definitely need something to beat Ho Oh with though and can't do that with a Scarfer. Losing the Groudon switch in is also bad. I'd run Gliscor but Poison Heal conflicts with clerics idk. Also lol nice team.

BlazeTemplar I'm skeptical about Gastrodon because it doesn't do anything except wall Kyogre, yes it does that very well but if it doesn't do anything else what's the use? Lugia has mega 4MSS and weak to SR so it can't really Defog imo, losing the priority also makes Deoxys S even worse since right now it has to at least Taunt Scizor to prevent Defog. Tar on the other hand would be like a new team entirely, it could carry SR and that would open up a precious moveslot on Landorus so it isn't setup bait. idk could work I will need to try. Thanks for the idea.

Thanks for rates!
 
Majickary said:
Thanks for rates guys and sorry for late response.

haxiom it's definitely sad but then fortunately I only have to hit Specs Kyogre a few times before it becomes walled by Blissey and Ferrothorn, definitely an issue though. Yveltal can be an issue but Blissey takes hits very well so in my experience the only Yveltal that beats it is the kind with Taunt + Sucker Punch, both of which are moves in which I can switch out to Kyogre for and KO back (Sucker Punch fails to OHKO at full HP), or to Landorus to get the Intimidate on it before going back to Blissey. It's a threat but a manageable one. I like your rate though. I hate losing speed but there are two priority users and by having Kyogre + Sylveon I would also be able to switch Scizor for Giratina O as per AlphaNeria's rate, and that would also solve the Deoxys S problem. Ingrain Xerneas with Psyshock now becomes a threat but then Xerneas is nutcake anyway. I did try Rocky Helmet but losing Leftovers recovery sucks especially on a Pokemon weak to SR, also if EKiller turns out to be the bulky type I can go to Ferrothorn on the second ESpeed and kill it that way, or in the worst case scenario revenge with priority. Gyro Ball is good but I really need something to kill last mon Refresh Water Arceus with :(

AlphaNeria well there is Grass Arceus, if I drop Toxic for Gyro Ball I don't see how I can kill it easily, although I have reliable walls for it it's not going to stay in on Blissey so I can Toxic it, or on Yveltal once I Taunt it. Dropping Landorus T means I don't have an Electric immune so Zekrom can Volt Switch at will but Ferrothorn is a reliable Zekrom check so should be OK, I definitely need something to beat Ho Oh with though and can't do that with a Scarfer. Losing the Groudon switch in is also bad. I'd run Gliscor but Poison Heal conflicts with clerics idk. Also lol nice team.

BlazeTemplar I'm skeptical about Gastrodon because it doesn't do anything except wall Kyogre, yes it does that very well but if it doesn't do anything else what's the use? Lugia has mega 4MSS and weak to SR so it can't really Defog imo, losing the priority also makes Deoxys S even worse since right now it has to at least Taunt Scizor to prevent Defog. Tar on the other hand would be like a new team entirely, it could carry SR and that would open up a precious moveslot on Landorus so it isn't setup bait. idk could work I will need to try. Thanks for the idea.

Thanks for rates!
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Gastrodon can actually wall SPECS Dialga dropping draco with recover unless it gets a lucky crit, resists Specs Reshiram (aka surviving the flares) and can burn physical attackers while doing so. It also makes things very difficult for Zekrom because of Ferrotorn and Gastrodon on the same team. It can't safely lock into outrage or Bolt strike if it's choiced. Gastro is definitely underestimated in ubers. (Yes I know ferro resists elec, but no damage is a definite perk) Plus of course making Kyogre worthless so that's a plus.
Yes, Lugia does have some nasty weaknesses, but it has gargantuan bulk, high speed (meaning a really fast roost) and Multiscale making it a viable defogger. But to each their own. Glad I could give some good input with T-Tar too.
 
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